surgeon red flag?

[bratex2213]

first consult the doctor spoke a good amount with me and I ended up deciding I want a genio . it was a good consult, but the secretary that books is weird, she told me that usually you would speak with the doctor before the surgery which tells me nothing is planned. I told her I want to meet with the doctor she accepted and gave me a date told me I hd to pay the doctor 1k before the surgery, anyways now she tells me I pay the full amount 1k for the surgeon the rest at some office for the anesthesiologist and the hospital. Is this a red flag should I run, or go and see how it goes.

when getting a genio and booking does the doctor ask for x rays or anything before the surgery or will he ask for x ray at the consult , so I can know what is normal and not get botched thanks !

 

[Nobody88]

None of this is a huge red flag but I'm a bit confused on some of the stuff you said but I'll do my best to answer since I am also getting the surgery in around 2 months and so I can share my experiences. When getting a genio you NEED a Cephalometric X-ray or 3D scan. The doctor should NOT operate without one of these, for me I had a Cephalometric X-ray done with my initial consultation but this could happen later too. You should also discuss how many mm advancement you want and aesthetic goals. The doctor will normally give you back predictions (basically like an outline of the predicted profile change) from the x ray before the surgery. I have heard in some cases of people getting there predictions back on the day of surgery, picking one, then getting operated on but this is not the norm. Ideally you get them back before the surgery in case there needs to be any changes. With my surgeon, I got predictions for 6,8, and 10 mm advances. For you I would expect that the 1k and other fees to the hospital is basically to reserve your surgery spot in the hospital and with the doctor but my situation is different so use your own judgment for this. However if you trust the doctor this is likely fine as you will be paying all of them at some point. LMK if you have any other question

 

[Sub->CL]

you just sound like an IQcel

 

[bratex2213]

you just sound like an IQcel

shut up you nigger off course im gonna be stressed knowing some dude is gonna cut my face in my shithole country!!!

+ I definitely iq mog u im a medical student ur probably some random turd

 

[bratex2213]

None of this is a huge red flag but I'm a bit confused on some of the stuff you said but I'll do my best to answer since I am also getting the surgery in around 2 months and so I can share my experiences. When getting a genio you NEED a Cephalometric X-ray or 3D scan. The doctor should NOT operate without one of these, for me I had a Cephalometric X-ray done with my initial consultation but this could happen later too. You should also discuss how many mm advancement you want and aesthetic goals. The doctor will normally give you back predictions (basically like an outline of the predicted profile change) from the x ray before the surgery. I have heard in some cases of people getting there predictions back on the day of surgery, picking one, then getting operated on but this is not the norm. Ideally you get them back before the surgery in case there needs to be any changes. With my surgeon, I got predictions for 6,8, and 10 mm advances. For you I would expect that the 1k and other fees to the hospital is basically to reserve your surgery spot in the hospital and with the doctor but my situation is different so use your own judgment for this. However if you trust the doctor this is likely fine as you will be paying all of them at some point. LMK if you have any other question

im only worried because I have to pay the day I meet the surgeon what if I find it bad or I think he is rushing me ofc I should walk out but so far I only found him as a maxillofacial surgeon in my country and I don't know what to do. I am meeting with him Tuesday the surgery is Friday so I don't really think he is going to give me a detailed outline what do you think ?

also what real complication can occur if the surgeon is a real autist hopefully not, like can I get severely botched, nerve damage where my mouth stays opens I heard its uncommon but I don't want something so severe I end up roping


thanks!

 

[Sub->CL]

shithole country!!!

definitely IQmog you

 

[Eyelet]

you just sound like an IQcel

"you just sound like an IQcel"

 

[bratex2213]

pleaseeee someone tell me how bad can the botch be can that nigger leave me with bells palsy or some crazy shit like this I have exams 1 week later aint no way I pull up retarded I need to know before I fuck up

 

[Nobody88]

im only worried because I have to pay the day I meet the surgeon what if I find it bad or I think he is rushing me ofc I should walk out but so far I only found him as a maxillofacial surgeon in my country and I don't know what to do. I am meeting with him Tuesday the surgery is Friday so I don't really think he is going to give me a detailed outline what do you think ?

also what real complication can occur if the surgeon is a real autist hopefully not, like can I get severely botched, nerve damage where my mouth stays opens I heard its uncommon but I don't want something so severe I end up roping


thanks!

Oh got it. Yeah paying the surgeon without getting the plan first does suck. Still you and him should be able to come up with a relatively good plan between the meeting and the surgery with predictions. I'm not sure what country your in but if your going to be a doctor 1k shouldn't be the end of the word, so its probably worth the risk and then you can walk if it seems bad. Maxillofacial surgeons are generally a lot safer than plastic surgeons when it comes to stuff like this, there is still a risk of nerve damage (there isn't really a concrete number, some sources say less than 1 percent, my surgeon told me 5) still this usually doesn't lead to lip incompetency (like not being able to close your lips). Most of these issues can be mitigated with further revisions or surgery but ofc you don't want that to happen. The bigger risk is actually with the anesthesiologist, that's where brain damage or even death could be a possibility so make sure that they know what they are doing. If they haven't given you the name of the anesthesiologist make sure that the hospital is reliable.

 

[Nobody88]

I know your not from the US, but I'd be happy to PM you the info on my surgeon in the US if this one doesn't work out and your willing to travel.

 

[bratex2213]

I know your not from the US, but I'd be happy to PM you the info on my surgeon in the US if this one doesn't work out and your willing to travel.

hey if u can pm me il tell u more of my case idk what to do honestly im not the one paying the us is pretty expansive so prolly not gonna happen but if ur willing to discuss with me il let u know more so I know what to do I'd be very grateful. idk why I can't pm anyone il let u know exactly what happened and update u!

 

[Nobody88]

hey if u can pm me il tell u more of my case idk what to do honestly im not the one paying the us is pretty expansive so prolly not gonna happen but if ur willing to discuss with me il let u know more so I know what to do I'd be very grateful. idk why I can't pm anyone il let u know exactly what happened and update u!

New users can't PM, I didn't realize you were also a new user too. If you want we can talk on your profile, I can just leave a post and you can respond.

 

[midfacedeficient]

after consult, i paid a deposit and design fee, got my plan, then paid the rest just before the surgery. the weird part to me is them planning the genio on spot. i would want ct scans a surgical plan agreed upon ahead of time

 

[bratex2213]

after consult, i paid a deposit and design fee, got my plan, then paid the rest just before the surgery. the weird part to me is them planning the genio on spot. i would want ct scans a surgical plan agreed upon ahead of time

yes I also found it weird, she wanted me to get on call with surgeon only and talk to him the day before the surgery I have no idea if that's he usually does but I was telling the secretary on WhatsApp how am I supposed to choose what I want and is best for me she then told me that I would see him this Tuesday pay 1k now suddenly I have to pay the whole 3k Tuesday and get surgery Friday. it is a good hospital but still I don't trust doctors in this country.

 

[Nobody88]

Vertical increase can be good but I would recommend being very conservative with it as it can often lead to that kind of long sharp chin appearance. Keep in mind that regular horizontal will already have some vertical perception because you are moving the chin forward so people perceive it to be bigger/longer. If you plan on doing it, make sure to look at photos on the internet, talk in-depth with your surgeon about your front harmony, and don't overdo it. Without vertical its unlikely to make your face look significantly longer (or weird and saggy) unless your underlying bone has a weird shape to it or you already have a prominent chin that is just reassessed. If there is a small difference then I personally wouldn't recommend it but its your face and your surgery. I would also recommend talking to your surgeon about how often then do vertical and what the outcomes are that is probably the biggest decider of what to do.

Going to a surgeon that does genioplasties as a part of other procedures is fine and often they have more experience with it than those that just offer it as a standalone. However they might not have as good of an idea of how it works as a standalone. For example I think that my surgeon was a bit conservative with his original estimates for advancement because he usually includes it as a part of jaw surgery. From my experience online, results are often determined by how good of a candidate you are for genio not necessary provider so I wouldn't worry too much if the surgeon doesn't have before and after's as long as you are confident in them and their predictions

 

[bratex2213]

Vertical increase can be good but I would recommend being very conservative with it as it can often lead to that kind of long sharp chin appearance. Keep in mind that regular horizontal will already have some vertical perception because you are moving the chin forward so people perceive it to be bigger/longer. If you plan on doing it, make sure to look at photos on the internet, talk in-depth with your surgeon about your front harmony, and don't overdo it. Without vertical its unlikely to make your face look significantly longer (or weird and saggy) unless your underlying bone has a weird shape to it or you already have a prominent chin that is just reassessed. If there is a small difference then I personally wouldn't recommend it but its your face and your surgery. I would also recommend talking to your surgeon about how often then do vertical and what the outcomes are that is probably the biggest decider of what to do.

Going to a surgeon that does genioplasties as a part of other procedures is fine and often they have more experience with it than those that just offer it as a standalone. However they might not have as good of an idea of how it works as a standalone. For example I think that my surgeon was a bit conservative with his original estimates for advancement because he usually includes it as a part of jaw surgery. From my experience online, results are often determined by how good of a candidate you are for genio not necessary provider so I wouldn't worry too much if the surgeon doesn't have before and after's as long as you are confident in them and their predictions

alright thanks boss I guess im going to try to find another surgeon in the meantime hopefully, otherwise I will go see him Tuesday and see if he properly plans it and listens to me etc based on this il decide, honestly I just don't want to be terribly botched like if I end up either results that could have been better ( like more projected etc) that's fine and is better than a pure botch with a weird chin etc or some serious medical condition. if there is an increase in vertical without touching the vertical plane how likely the surgeon is to botch me would he have to be complete ass ?

 

[Nobody88]

alright thanks boss I guess im going to try to find another surgeon in the meantime hopefully, otherwise I will go see him Tuesday and see if he properly plans it and listens to me etc based on this il decide, honestly I just don't want to be terribly botched like if I end up either results that could have been better ( like more projected etc) that's fine and is better than a pure botch with a weird chin etc or some serious medical condition. if there is an increase in vertical without touching the vertical plane how likely the surgeon is to botch me would he have to be complete ass ?

Surgeon would have to be pretty bad or you would have to be a bad candidate if pure horizontal increase botches you (unless its extreme advancement normally 10+mm). Obviously trust your judgment on both the doctor and on your advancement (horizontal or vertical) more than random people on the internet like me. If you have time in between now and then find some genioplasty photos you like online (and remember how many mm they got) and bring them to your consult along with morphed photos of yourself. LMK how it goes or if you want any more advice and good luck with it.

 

[bratex2213]

Surgeon would have to be pretty bad or you would have to be a bad candidate if pure horizontal increase botches you (unless its extreme advancement normally 10+mm). Obviously trust your judgment on both the doctor and on your advancement (horizontal or vertical) more than random people on the internet like me. If you have time in between now and then find some genioplasty photos you like online (and remember how many mm they got) and bring them to your consult along with morphed photos of yourself. LMK how it goes or if you want any more advice and good luck with it.

il let you know what happens my chin is. bit behind my lower lip so I should benefit from it I think , I won't let him give me something crazy just scared he ends up not listening and over adjusts once im asleep on the surgery table most surgeons have a huge ego who knows anyways thanks il update you!

 

[Nobody88]

il let you know what happens my chin is. bit behind my lower lip so I should benefit from it I think , I won't let him give me something crazy just scared he ends up not listening and over adjusts once im asleep on the surgery table most surgeons have a huge ego who knows anyways thanks il update you!

Thanks looking forward to the update. Just be sure that he knows what you want. Some surgeons are overconfident and others are too conservative so the closer they know to what you really want the better. I think that chances are it will work out, just trust your gut and remember that if this doctor is sketchy you can always save up more and go to another one. Also keep in mind that the level of horizontal advancement you are getting corresponds to how much perceived vertical height you have (even without vertical height increase). Keep this in mind if you don't need a lot of forward advancement (less than 5 mm) then you might want to have some vertical if your goal is to have a longer lower third. Just be cautious and do your reserach.

 

[bratex2213]

Thanks looking forward to the update. Just be sure that he knows what you want. Some surgeons are overconfident and others are too conservative so the closer they know to what you really want the better. I think that chances are it will work out, just trust your gut and remember that if this doctor is sketchy you can always save up more and go to another one. Also keep in mind that the level of horizontal advancement you are getting corresponds to how much perceived vertical height you have (even without vertical height increase). Keep this in mind if you don't need a lot of forward advancement (less than 5 mm) then you might want to have some vertical if your goal is to have a longer lower third. Just be cautious and do your reserach

thanks boss I don't got much money my dad is being nice enough to pay for it at that point he is disgusted at me he wants my best he tells me im good looking, Ik im not ugly but I have been single for such a while got lead only my crush lowkey lost my mind doing everything to look better. anyways the rent is useless but yes I don't have much money and what do you think how should I determine ifs should make my face longer I tried measuring my facial thirds sometimes I find it equal and the last one Imeasure realised my middle third is longer by 10% than lower third would u think this warrants lengthening the chin or not really? I did morph myself where Ikinda lowered my chin and it looked a bit better or maybe im tripping who knows , my goal is to look better but not in a weird way where as soon as I pull up to class I get clowned for getting surgery , then il end up roping or some and don't want to disappoint my dad further.i need to get a bitof a boost in attractiveness in the genio, then get fat grafts and a rhino for the rhino I know il get spotted but il say that I broke my nose or some bullshit but yes that's why I can't pay so much on a genioif im going to get more work done. what do you think how should I tell objectively not based on my emotions if I need that chin lengthening or just pushing it forward a bit

 

[Nobody88]

thanks boss I don't got much money my dad is being nice enough to pay for it at that point he is disgusted at me he wants my best he tells me im good looking, Ik im not ugly but I have been single for such a while got lead only my crush lowkey lost my mind doing everything to look better. anyways the rent is useless but yes I don't have much money and what do you think how should I determine ifs should make my face longer I tried measuring my facial thirds sometimes I find it equal and the last one Imeasure realised my middle third is longer by 10% than lower third would u think this warrants lengthening the chin or not really? I did morph myself where Ikinda lowered my chin and it looked a bit better or maybe im tripping who knows , my goal is to look better but not in a weird way where as soon as I pull up to class I get clowned for getting surgery , then il end up roping or some and don't want to disappoint my dad further.i need to get a bitof a boost in attractiveness in the genio, then get fat grafts and a rhino for the rhino I know il get spotted but il say that I broke my nose or some bullshit but yes that's why I can't pay so much on a genioif im going to get more work done. what do you think how should I tell objectively not based on my emotions if I need that chin lengthening or just pushing it forward a bit

I'm not an expert on facial thirds but I don't think they are the most important thing ever. I've seen people say anywhere from 33 to 37 percent of your total face is ideal, however if you end up making your total face too long in order to get into that range it wouldn't make sense. The most unbiased way to do it would be to either photoshop it and see if it looks better (in my opinion the best way) also ask your friends or people on here if it objectively looks better (since you said you might be doing this based on emotion) or get a few photos of yourself with no lens distortion then use a software to measure. I use GIMP since its free, then I use the measure tool and find the pixel length (bottom left), then I divide that by the total face pixel length, to see if it falls outside the ideal range. Deciding whether to go with just horizontal or horizontal and vertical is a harder question, if you are super close to that range or in it I would just go horizontal, if it is a noticeable failo that your lower third is short then consider vertical but do your research.

 

[Nobody88]

This is a guy on reddit who had 10mm advancement only horizontal and you can see how much it affects his front profile and decide for yourself.

 

[bratex2213]

This is a guy on reddit who had 10mm advancement only horizontal and you can see how much it affects his front profile and decide for yourself.

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clearly his height of his chin increases , but idk if I need 10 mm we will see, I am going to try your software I want to know before hand if my facial thirds are way off if not I probably won't bother with vertical since I heard it can be more risky is it really that risky or not really?

 

[ascendrx]

you just sound like an IQcel

are u dumb, iqcel is someone that gets carried by iq and is smart. u mean Iqlet, u dirty iqlet bastard

 

[Nobody88]

clearly his height of his chin increases , but idk if I need 10 mm we will see, I am going to try your software I want to know before hand if my facial thirds are way off if not I probably won't bother with vertical since I heard it can be more risky is it really that risky or not really?

You won't need 10mm but it just shows what I was talking about, as the mm increase so does the perceived vertical length so if this is 10mm for 5mm you can just image half of that effect. Vertical isn't that risky it just changes your front profile much more significantly than horizontal, you just need to have a surgeon who you trust to do it and you need to be a good candidate for it. I'm not really an expert with vertical lengthening since I'm not getting it but I would definitely look into it and ask your surgeon about it even if you decide not to go with it.

 

[tastas]

definitely IQmog you

 

[bratex2213]

You won't need 10mm but it just shows what I was talking about, as the mm increase so does the perceived vertical length so if this is 10mm for 5mm you can just image half of that effect. Vertical isn't that risky it just changes your front profile much more significantly than horizontal, you just need to have a surgeon who you trust to do it and you need to be a good candidate for it. I'm not really an expert with vertical lengthening since I'm not getting it but I would definitely look into it and ask your surgeon about it even if you decide not to go with it.

im gonna try to ask someone if look better when I lengthen my chin will show it to the surgeon and ask him if this is plausible without the vertical being touched, I need to find someone objective though cuz my family whatever I show them tell me I look like shit after surgery

 

[Sub->CL]

are u dumb, iqcel is someone that gets carried by iq and is smart. u mean Iqlet, u dirty iqlet bastard

You're only saying that because usually an IQlet isn't an IQcel as a male of 70IQ has much more intercourse than a male of 130IQ, this retard is so low IQ that he is an IQcel.

 

[ascendrx]

You're only saying that because usually an IQlet isn't an IQcel as a male of 70IQ has much more intercourse than a male of 130IQ, this retard is so low IQ that he is an IQcel.

brutal IQpill now leave this forum grey