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Is the first guy jaw surgery, implants, or both?
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Agreedl, Only the most dedicated can ascend and usually that means a profound knowledge on their real flaws and shit ton of cash like you said.As far as FACIAL AESTHETICS is concerned, Surgery can ascend the vast majority of people as long as they’re well versed in facial aesthetics and have the time/money/willpower to undergo all the necessary procedures. This is why most before and afters are underwhelming, they’re either just addressing one issue and that’s it or didn’t know what should be done to their face (think of men who get off the shelf chin implants). As well as the fact that most people just want to fix one thing, and once they have surgery, they feel like they should move on, and leave the rest of their face unaddressed.
This makes for a very hard barrier of entry that means most people WON’T Ascend through surgery, but it doesn’t mean they CAN’T.
The hardest things for surgery to fix would be things like too narrow/wide set eyes, orbital asymmetry, severe facial trauma, etc.
But most problems people have (bad lower third, bad under eye support, bad nose, bad cheekbones, bad brow bone, bad hair/hairline, bad skin, pencil neck) can be fixed to the point of “ascension” but like I said, MOST people won’t get there, through lack of knowledge, willpower, time, money, etc.
BothIs the first guy jaw surgery, implants, or both?
Both
Very true. Here is another great transformationThanks, that's what I thought. Great results. The implant results I have seen on faces with underlying recession did not impress.
cope. surgery doesnt work most people. it works for some, but they're in the minority. you need to have specific conditions that make you ugly that can be corrected by surgery whilst having your other variables top notch
yes everyone can become a "little better looking version" of themselves with surgery, but true "ascension" with it is 1/10 even considering most people cant afford the best surgeons. ive seen all top tier surgeons before/after and the only legit "ascension" are from maxillofacial surgeries usually and done on people who had obvious recession, but otherwise good pheno/harmony
okay now you stick to what u just wrote cuz now ur down -1 pointsYou don’t need to become a chad to have a successful surgery. Just going up 1 point will improve your life
u didnt understand what i said. all retards here strawman my arguments. i never said he didnt improve, i never said surgery cant work, i just said the results are getting halod by the poor conditions he took the before picture and the good condition he took the after. same way looks halo anyones personality. people are on a blackpilled looksmaxxing forum and cant understand VISUAL stimuli affects how you view things.Look how much more forward-grown his face is. It's actually striking. I'm not convinced you can fraud to that extent.
get your surgery for yourself to be 6/10 like you always said, show me how your 6/10 then i'll believe. until then i dont believe a single word you sayPheno yes, harmony is a meme.
let's just call it public service. it's like helping blind people to the other side of the road@cocainecowboy why do you comment on these threads, everyone gets your agenda
okay now you stick to what u just wrote cuz now ur down -1 points
u didnt understand what i said. all retards here strawman my arguments. i never said he didnt improve, i never said surgery cant work, i just said the results are getting halod by the poor conditions he took the before picture and the good condition he took the after. same way looks halo anyones personality. people are on a blackpilled looksmaxxing forum and cant understand VISUAL stimuli affects how you view things.
now just imagine we swap the condition. we give him the hair, lighting, lower bf% etc. and we get him fatter + shave his hair into recession pattern + shave beard and then do the picture. he'd still have more forward growth but the results would be underwhelming despite right now with swapped conditions its considered "the best" result around psl forums
all the ugly people in the forum see these pictures and get overwhelmed with emotions like little girls. OH MAWWW GAWWD IM GONNA ASCEND BROOSKI LIKE HIM, without realisihng the net improvement is nowhere near as it seems in that side prof pic
give me in motion comparison under same lighting conditions, preferably natural lighting and i'll tell if he ascended or not. oh wait, that doesnt exist
get your surgery for yourself to be 6/10 like you always said, show me how your 6/10 then i'll believe. until then i dont believe a single word you say
let's just call it public service. it's like helping blind people to the other side of the road
well you can tell if it exist or notHarmony still a meme after this answer.
well you can tell if it exist or not
like you take 2 people who by PSL features should be same PSL but one is incel and other is good looking. lets say theyre similar ratios etc, but somehow one is still gl
his lower third is too narrowYes we can tell if exist. In @TsarTsar444 it doesnt.
his lower third is too narrow
DAMMM that second result tho holy fuck of Mary of Jesus of god of lords that’s insane. One of the best results I’ve ever seen just no words
Source?Very true. Here is another great transformation
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My eyes are above average, literally everyone told me this here, irl tooWeird eyes yoo and nose
Dr. Sailer from switzerland. They all had ccw rotation and jaw angle implants.Source?
What did this guy have?
Again lighting and all that bullshit you just mentioned doesn’t give you an INCHE of forward growth fucku. As I said none cares about ur opinion go and bully mental cells.okay now you stick to what u just wrote cuz now ur down -1 points
u didnt understand what i said. all retards here strawman my arguments. i never said he didnt improve, i never said surgery cant work, i just said the results are getting halod by the poor conditions he took the before picture and the good condition he took the after. same way looks halo anyones personality. people are on a blackpilled looksmaxxing forum and cant understand VISUAL stimuli affects how you view things.
now just imagine we swap the condition. we give him the hair, lighting, lower bf% etc. and we get him fatter + shave his hair into recession pattern + shave beard and then do the picture. he'd still have more forward growth but the results would be underwhelming despite right now with swapped conditions its considered "the best" result around psl forums
Jaw surgery for under bite and cheek implants and I think some fat graftsIs the first guy jaw surgery, implants, or both?
Yea bro but if I saw him before the surgery I would be like “no surgery can help him”He mentioned of being, 6'2, he's white, he's not Framecel, he doesn't have aggressive hairloss ,he doesn't have a fucked up midface ratio or ipd.