Surgical Reccs

[journey2contentment]

I despise my facial structure and am looking for improvements by any means necessary.

I’m currently just under 18, 194cm, and roughly 205 pounds with a decent physique (I’d estimate high teens bf%)

My issue comes not with my body (though obviously seeking to improve) but the aberration attached above the neck.

I can tolerate my face only when my jaw is slightly tensed and my lips are sealed with my teeth at maximum separation, essentially as far as they can go without my mouth opening (it makes my lips fuller, stretches skin, and elongates my face which I think is desperately needed).

I’m willing to do anything for improvement in this regard. I have approx. 20k saved for surgery but want to ensure I get many more opinions. Preferably from those more experienced on what a face is in need of, I just want to know the optimal course of action for making myself more appealing to the eye.

Attached below are 2 sets of back camera pictures, one with jaw entirely relaxed, teeth sealed, the next set with my teeth ajar and jaw slightly tensed, the posture I normally assume in daily life so as not to scare children.

Feel free to flame me, I know I’m subhuman, but I’m just desperate to be better, I don’t want to live like this with all I have being an above average intelligence quotient.

And so any and all advice appreciated, and much needed. Please respond or PM me. Thanks all.

(Things I’m currently doing, basically just lifting and accutane).

 

[yussimania]

lol what did you expect putting a single line over your eye

 

[whos]

do u have TMJ by any chance?

 

[therealdeal877]

You are 194cm your face doesnt matter anymore

 

[journey2contentment]

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lol what did you expect putting a single line over your eye

I did more initially and then realized my eyes have asymmetry so would be better for them to be somewhat visible, just a dumbass move to leave a sliver though.

 

[journey2contentment]

You are 194cm your face doesnt matter anymore

Not when you look like me brotha

 

[journey2contentment]

do u have TMJ by any chance?

I do experience some minor symptoms of it like occasional jaw pain or locking, why?

 

[whos]

I do experience some minor symptoms of it like occasional jaw pain or locking, why?

its most likely that masseter muscle pulling all other muscles towards it since its so overactive and making one side more developed and not even

 

[journey2contentment]

its most likely that masseter muscle pulling all other muscles towards it since its so overactive and making one side more developed and not even

So… methods far as that goes? Just chew on my right side more? Honestly just trying to look better any way possible.

 

[whos]

So… methods far as that goes? Just chew on my right side more? Honestly just trying to look better any way possible.

yeah what ever side isn't painful is what's recommended this is from uk hospital

https://www.ouh.nhs.uk/media/qcxidm43/69966tmj.pdf

also just fix skin and colouring read BOTB's

 

[journey2contentment]

Bump

 

[journey2contentment]

Bump

 

[vermicel]

And so any and all advice appreciated, and much needed

You're going to need EXTENSIVE work to look decent.
Obviously, Accutane is currently raping your health indicators ; right now, you're probably at the lowest you'll ever be. But even with a cleared skin, you'll have to lock in and commit to a long looksmaxxing journey.
Having $20K is going to save you some time, but this budget will get you almost nowhere in the US. Instead, you'll need to travel abroad for a good part of the whole process. And even then, you will probably need to earn more money in order to complete said process.

Gathering opinions and advices here is a good start, however the real first step will be consulting with a variety of doctors : maxillofacial surgeons specialized in orthognathics, plastic surgeons proficient in rhinoplasty and lip lift, ophthalmologists/oculoplastic surgeons for your eye area, etc.
As said earlier, your face needs a lot of work. Based on the first two pictures (which I assume are closer to unfrauded reality), you seem to have a short ramus, a flat mandible, a long philtrum, a recessed maxilla, an unprojected and excessively upturned nose, a negatively tilted right eye, lots of facial fat, etc.
You will probably need some sort of jaw surgery (bimax, downgraft, Lefort 1, BSSO, genioplasty, chin wing, mini wing, etc.), a lip lift, a rhinoplasty, a canthoplasty, fat grafting for the undereyes, and maybe buccal fat removal, liposuction in the submental and neck areas + fillers (the combination of both aiming to improve your jawline definition). On top of that, you might benefit from laser treatments to get rid of acne scars and rosacea (CO2, Vbeam, etc.).

Morphs to give a rough idea of what you may achieve with the aforementioned treatments :

One major X factor is the amount of facial fat you may naturally shed through diet & exercise and/or remove with surgical procedures. That could definitely compliment the result of the other procedures in a more convincing way than portrayed on my front profile morph.
Also note that a lip lift can reduce philtrum length without augmenting the upper lip, but I can't mimic this on a 2D morph without altering the placement of your nose or mouth, hence the upper lip augmentation (which can be achieved with a lip lift too, depending on the surgical plan).

 

[journey2contentment]

You're going to need EXTENSIVE work to look decent.
Obviously, Accutane is currently raping your health indicators ; right now, you're probably at the lowest you'll ever be. But even with a cleared skin, you'll have to lock in and commit to a long looksmaxxing journey.
Having $20K is going to save you some time, but this budget will get you almost nowhere in the US. Instead, you'll need to travel abroad for a good part of the whole process. And even then, you will probably need to earn more money in order to complete said process.

Gathering opinions and advices here is a good start, however the real first step will be consulting with a variety of doctors : maxillofacial surgeons specialized in orthognathics, plastic surgeons proficient in rhinoplasty and lip lift, ophthalmologists/oculoplastic surgeons for your eye area, etc.
As said earlier, your face needs a lot of work. Based on the first two pictures (which I assume are closer to unfrauded reality), you seem to have a short ramus, a flat mandible, a long philtrum, a recessed maxilla, an unprojected and excessively upturned nose, a negatively tilted right eye, lots of facial fat, etc.
You will probably need some sort of jaw surgery (bimax, downgraft, Lefort 1, BSSO, genioplasty, chin wing, mini wing, etc.), a lip lift, a rhinoplasty, a canthoplasty, fat grafting for the undereyes, and maybe buccal fat removal, liposuction in the submental and neck areas + fillers (the combination of both aiming to improve your jawline definition). On top of that, you might benefit from laser treatments to get rid of acne scars and rosacea (CO2, Vbeam, etc.).

Morphs to give a rough idea of what you may achieve with the aforementioned treatments :

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One major X factor is the amount of facial fat you may naturally shed through diet & exercise and/or remove with surgical procedures. That could definitely compliment the result of the other procedures in a more convincing way than portrayed on my front profile morph.
Also note that a lip lift can reduce philtrum length without augmenting the upper lip, but I can't mimic this on a 2D morph without altering the placement of your nose or mouth, hence the upper lip augmentation (which can be achieved with a lip lift too, depending on the surgical plan).

You’re deadass a modern day HTN saint brah thank you.

Have to ask of aforementioned procedure, how would you rank importance (which would have more benefit for my situation) and, just for my own personal curiosity, how would the effect of your morph best be achieved where eyes are placed more in line. My assumption is canthoplasty but can it really be so dramatic?

Thanks again. Incredible breakdown.

 

[journey2contentment]

its most likely that masseter muscle pulling all other muscles towards it since its so overactive and making one side more developed and not even

Which side in your opinion looks to be overdeveloped? Having difficulty with conclusive identification, I think it’s the right side in the image, but wanted second opinion.

Also so far as chewing training, any great threads you know (or just knowledge) of for product and technique advise? Took a cursory glance but nothing obvious came up.

 

[vermicel]

194cm

You're not from the US, my bad. Either from the UK, Australia, New Zealand, or mainland Europe ... ?
Regardless, my initial assessment remains essentially unchanged. £20K/20K€/AU$20K won't get you as far as needed if you stick exclusively to local options ; the only notable difference is that you might benefit from a State-sponsored jaw surgery in certain countries.

Just for fun, let's entertain a slightly different scenario, where your face first leans out significantly and you go all in with orthognathics combined with jaw angle implants and fillers (+ everything else : rhino, lip lift, cantho, fat grafting, lasers, possibly buccal fat removal). Besides, you would exercise your neck consistently for 1+ year to make it wider and thicker.
This, to me, could be an ideal outcome, more aesthetically impactful than the first morph :

Is it realistic ? Not really. But it's not totally impossible either : it depends on what the fat loss would reveal about your underlying bone structure. For instance, in your current condition, it's hard to guess the actual shape of your cheekbones, because they're covered with a layer of fat.

Anyway, if you ever managed to achieve a similar result, you could definitely monetize it on TikTok by selling looksmaxxing courses (just pretend you bonesmashed your face ).

Have to ask of aforementioned procedure, how would you rank importance (which would have more benefit for my situation)

1°) orthognathics (jaw surgeries)
2°) oculoplastics (eye surgeries) if your right eye is as negatively tilted as suggested by this pic ; regardless, you will need fat grafting to the undereyes to cover up the veins and purple-ish undertones, and also to fill up the tear through
3°) lip lift
4°) rhinoplasty — your nose looks better on the "frauded" pictures

I'm not ranking buccal fat removal, liposuction, or fillers, because their relevancy will depend on your capacity to lean out naturally first, and also on the results achieved by orthognathics.

Not ranking lasers either, but they will probably be necessary to fix your skin. A healthy skin is a prerequisite to looking good. So, once you're done with acne (hopefully soon), don't skimp on the subsequent skin care (tazarotene/tretinoin, lasers, etc.).

how would the effect of your morph best be achieved where eyes are placed more in line. My assumption is canthoplasty but can it really be so dramatic?

Yes, with a canthoplasty (preferably bone drilled). But it's hard to assess your eye area based on this picture. My suggestion might be completely off.
Yes, the change can be really dramatic. It comes with a certain risk too (of looking a bit unnatural). So you'll have to do your own research, consult with a surgeon to know what's realistically achievable in your particular case, and weigh up the pros & cons prior to committing to surgery.

 

[journey2contentment]

You're not from the US, my bad. Either from the UK, Australia, New Zealand, or mainland Europe ... ?
Regardless, my initial assessment remains essentially unchanged. £20K/20K€/AU$20K won't get you as far as needed if you stick exclusively to local options ; the only notable difference is that you might benefit from a State-sponsored jaw surgery in certain countries.

Just for fun, let's entertain a slightly different scenario, where your face first leans out significantly and you go all in with orthognathics combined with jaw angle implants and fillers (+ everything else : rhino, lip lift, cantho, fat grafting, lasers, possibly buccal fat removal). Besides, you would exercise your neck consistently for 1+ year to make it wider and thicker.
This, to me, could be an ideal outcome, more aesthetically impactful than the first morph :

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Is it realistic ? Not really. But it's not totally impossible either : it depends on what the fat loss would reveal about your underlying bone structure. For instance, in your current condition, it's hard to guess the actual shape of your cheekbones, because they're covered with a layer of fat.

Anyway, if you ever managed to achieve a similar result, you could definitely monetize it on TikTok by selling looksmaxxing courses (just pretend you bonesmashed your face ).



1°) orthognathics (jaw surgeries)
2°) oculoplastics (eye surgeries) if your right eye is as negatively tilted as suggested by this pic ; regardless, you will need fat grafting to the undereyes to cover up the veins and purple-ish undertones, and also to fill up the tear through
3°) lip lift
4°) rhinoplasty — your nose looks better on the "frauded" pictures

I'm not ranking buccal fat removal, liposuction, or fillers, because their relevancy will depend on your capacity to lean out naturally first, and also on the results achieved by orthognathics.

Not ranking lasers either, but they will probably be necessary to fix your skin. A healthy skin is a prerequisite to looking good. So, once you're done with acne (hopefully soon), don't skimp on the subsequent skin care (tazarotene/tretinoin, lasers, etc.).


Yes, with a canthoplasty (preferably bone drilled). But it's hard to assess your eye area based on this picture. My suggestion might be completely off.
Yes, the change can be really dramatic. It comes with a certain risk too (of looking a bit unnatural). So you'll have to do your own research, consult with a surgeon to know what's realistically achievable in your particular case, and weigh up the pros & cons prior to committing to surgery.

Genuinely insanely insightful brah thank you. Super appreciated don’t see a ton of that just straightforward unadulterated charity in this community on the whole.

So far as substances for body halo or facial improvement, any strong recommendations? Not really looking for height but muscle and potential facio-cranial advancement or growth would be huge no matter how minor. Just curious to your perspective on that since you seem very educated.

Thanks again many slays upon u.