T4+T3

[Org3cel]

Lets say you grab 30 men with the age of 16
Group 1 consists of 10 men using 45 mcg of T3 daily
Group 2 consists of 10 men using 50 mcg of T4 daily
Group 3 consists of 10 men doing both
According to pubmed, they say using both is more effective for IGF-1 production rather then taking one alone.

Peripheral markers of thyroid function: the effect of T4 monotherapy vs T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroid subjects in a randomized crossover study - PubMed

T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroidism seems to have more metabolic effects than the T4 monotherapy.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What are your thoughs?
@Rigged
@20/04/2008
@MyDreamIsToBe183CM

 

[Org3cel]

Lets say you grab 30 men with the age of 16
Group 1 consists of 10 men using 45 mcg of T3 daily
Group 2 consists of 10 men using 50 mcg of T4 daily
Group 3 consists of 10 men doing both
According to pubmed, they say using both is more effective for IGF-1 production rather then taking one alone.

Peripheral markers of thyroid function: the effect of T4 monotherapy vs T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroid subjects in a randomized crossover study - PubMed

T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroidism seems to have more metabolic effects than the T4 monotherapy.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What are your thoughs?
@Rigged
@20/04/2008
@MyDreamIsToBe183CM

More studies:

Should You Take Levothyroxine Alone or Combination T4/T3 Therapy?

Synthetic thyroxine (T4 or levothyroxine) is the standard of care for hypothyroidism, but combining T4 with triiodothyronine (T3) may help some patients.

www.verywellhealth.com

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

Lets say you grab 30 men with the age of 16

pedo?

 

[Org3cel]

pedo?

In a research we need to use a good amount of people so we can make sure its not a rare case, he needs to be in puberty so we can have more precise results.

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

dnr but reeks of autism

 

[Org3cel]

dnr but reeks of autism

Are you saying doctors are autistic? If your not interested dont post.

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

Autism or knowledge?

autism

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

just rope already

 

[Org3cel]

just rope already

Your not smart enough to comprehend how basic hormones work faggot

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

 

[Org3cel]

Low iq behaviour

 

[Org3cel]

Wouldnt mind hearing others opinions on this
@Orc
@Clavicular
@asdvek

 

[Deleted member 77820]

Lets say you grab 30 men with the age of 16
Group 1 consists of 10 men using 45 mcg of T3 daily
Group 2 consists of 10 men using 50 mcg of T4 daily
Group 3 consists of 10 men doing both
According to pubmed, they say using both is more effective for IGF-1 production rather then taking one alone.

Peripheral markers of thyroid function: the effect of T4 monotherapy vs T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroid subjects in a randomized crossover study - PubMed

T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroidism seems to have more metabolic effects than the T4 monotherapy.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What are your thoughs?
@Rigged
@20/04/2008
@MyDreamIsToBe183CM

No shit
Its becauze you take both
If you wanted to do the comparison they should have equated the T3 T4 dose

 

[Org3cel]

No shit
Its becauze you take both
If you wanted to do the comparison they should have equated the T3 T4 dose

So you think a high T3 dosage would be more effective on Igf-1 production?

 

[2marc1]

interesting, haven’t really looked into t3 and t4, might look into this when i’m home

 

[Org3cel]

interesting, haven’t really looked into t3 and t4, might look into this when i’m home

If ur not using thyroid hormones and u want to administer igf-1 your not even trying. Its a must look into, if you find anything interesting. Please reply to this thread

 

[asdvek]

 

[Org3cel]

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I am having some issues on the thyroid since I feel my body hotter on gh, thats why I had some questions on which hormone is better to take, do you have any interesting thoughs on this topic?

 

[2marc1]

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[roider72]

More studies:

Should You Take Levothyroxine Alone or Combination T4/T3 Therapy?

Synthetic thyroxine (T4 or levothyroxine) is the standard of care for hypothyroidism, but combining T4 with triiodothyronine (T3) may help some patients.

www.verywellhealth.com

What if im taking 1.3mgs of t4 a day

 

[Org3cel]

What if im taking 1.3mgs of t4 a day

That is an absolute insane dosage how can you handle it

 

[asdvek]

I am having some issues on the thyroid since I feel my body hotter on gh, thats why I had some questions on which hormone is better to take, do you have any interesting thoughs on this topic?

Nope

 

[testosterone36]

If ur not using thyroid hormones and u want to administer igf-1 your not even trying. Its a must look into, if you find anything interesting. Please reply to this thread

is it better than injecting hgh?

 

[Org3cel]

Lets say you grab 30 men with the age of 16
Group 1 consists of 10 men using 45 mcg of T3 daily
Group 2 consists of 10 men using 50 mcg of T4 daily
Group 3 consists of 10 men doing both
According to pubmed, they say using both is more effective for IGF-1 production rather then taking one alone.

Peripheral markers of thyroid function: the effect of T4 monotherapy vs T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroid subjects in a randomized crossover study - PubMed

T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroidism seems to have more metabolic effects than the T4 monotherapy.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What are your thoughs?
@Rigged
@20/04/2008
@MyDreamIsToBe183CM

The thing is we want a previse T3 and T4 level, too much T3 would reduce igf-1 levels and lose muscle mass, so we should want precise t3 t4 and igf-1 levels.

 

[Org3cel]

is it better than injecting hgh?

That is not how it works

 

[the foid stalker]

Lets say you grab 30 men with the age of 16
Group 1 consists of 10 men using 45 mcg of T3 daily
Group 2 consists of 10 men using 50 mcg of T4 daily
Group 3 consists of 10 men doing both
According to pubmed, they say using both is more effective for IGF-1 production rather then taking one alone.

Peripheral markers of thyroid function: the effect of T4 monotherapy vs T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroid subjects in a randomized crossover study - PubMed

T4/T3 combination therapy in hypothyroidism seems to have more metabolic effects than the T4 monotherapy.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What are your thoughs?
@Rigged
@20/04/2008
@MyDreamIsToBe183CM

the study isn’t wrong - T4/T3 combo does amplify IGF-1 in hypothyroid adults. but extrapolating that to euthyroid 16-year-olds is like using a flamethrower to light a candle.

yes, IGF-1 matters for growth, but thyroid hormones are not playthings. T3 is a sledgehammer to metabolism, it doesn’t discriminate between fat loss and catabolizing your heart muscle.

puberty already maxes IGF-1 naturally. these kids’ HPTA axes are hyperactive, their thyroids humming. adding exogenous T3/T4?

you’re destabilizing. the study’s cohort had existing thyroid dysfunction; healthy teens would risk suppression, arrhythmias

 

[Org3cel]

the study isn’t wrong - T4/T3 combo does amplify IGF-1 in hypothyroid adults. but extrapolating that to euthyroid 16-year-olds is like using a flamethrower to light a candle.

yes, IGF-1 matters for growth, but thyroid hormones are not playthings. T3 is a sledgehammer to metabolism, it doesn’t discriminate between fat loss and catabolizing your heart muscle.

puberty already maxes IGF-1 naturally. these kids’ HPTA axes are hyperactive, their thyroids humming. adding exogenous T3/T4?

you’re destabilizing. the study’s cohort had existing thyroid dysfunction; healthy teens would risk suppression, arrhythmias

Well this is paired with hgh and igf-1 usage, so you think using t3 and t4 is useless?

 

[roider72]

That is an absolute insane dosage how can you handle it

cutting rn and i dont feel any sides im js a lil hungrier i use 1.3-2mgs a day

 

[Org3cel]

cutting rn and i dont feel any sides im js a lil hungrier i use 1.3-2mgs a day

T4 is used in the mcg are u sure ur saying the correct dosage

 

[roider72]

cutting rn and i dont feel any sides im js a lil hungrier i use 1.3-2mgs a day

But ill stop today

 

[roider72]

T4 is used in the mcg are u sure ur saying the correct dosage

1300mcgs-2000mcgs

 

[Org3cel]

1300mcgs-2000mcgs

That is just insane
Normal dosage is 50 mcg

 

[roider72]

That is just insane
Normal dosage is 50 mcg

ik ill stop today im sfared smth will happen

 

[Deleted member 77820]

So you think a high T3 dosage would be more effective on Igf-1 production?

Yeah

 

[the foid stalker]

Well this is paired with hgh and igf-1 usage, so you think using t3 and t4 is useless?

t3/t4 + hgh is like pouring jet fuel in a honda civic. yeah it’ll go faster - right into a tree. puberty’s already giving you free igf-1 maxxing. adding thyroid hormones just burns your heart out faster for maybe 5% extra growth. bloodwork or cope. pick one.

 

[Lawton88]

You are safer just making sure thyroid levels are good. Taking some iodine and selenium and making sure zinc intake is good.

 

[Org3cel]

t3/t4 + hgh is like pouring jet fuel in a honda civic. yeah it’ll go faster - right into a tree. puberty’s already giving you free igf-1 maxxing. adding thyroid hormones just burns your heart out faster for maybe 5% extra growth. bloodwork or cope. pick one.

Not enough igf-1 for me to grow lol
And I do regular blood work

 

[Org3cel]

You are safer just making sure thyroid levels are good. Taking some iodine and selenium and making sure zinc intake is good.

Which levels should I go for both hormones?

t3/t4 + hgh is like pouring jet fuel in a honda civic. yeah it’ll go faster - right into a tree. puberty’s already giving you free igf-1 maxxing. adding thyroid hormones just burns your heart out faster for maybe 5% extra growth. bloodwork or cope. pick one.

So I should only use HGH?

 

[the foid stalker]

Not enough igf-1 for me to grow lol
And I do regular blood work

fine. since you’re determined to play Russian roulette with your endocrine system:

low-dose T4 only (25- 50 mcg) - less suppression risk than T3

pulse it (4 weeks on, 4 weeks off to check natural recovery)

stack with mk-677 (igf-1 boost without injections)

daily EKGs (if resting HR jumps 10 bpm, abort)

bone age scans every 3 months (if plates fuse early, you lose)

this is still stupid, but slightly less stupid than full T3 blasting. enjoy your 3% extra growth before your thyroid gives up entirely.

 

[Org3cel]

fine. since you’re determined to play Russian roulette with your endocrine system:

low-dose T4 only (25- 50 mcg) - less suppression risk than T3

pulse it (4 weeks on, 4 weeks off to check natural recovery)

stack with mk-677 (igf-1 boost without injections)

daily EKGs (if resting HR jumps 10 bpm, abort)

bone age scans every 3 months (if plates fuse early, you lose)

this is still stupid, but slightly less stupid than full T3 blasting. enjoy your 3% extra growth before your thyroid gives up entirely.

Im using ai so my bone age wont accelarte so fast, and with a good cycle u could easily add 5-10 cm to ur final height potential
But what do u think would be the best t3 and t4 levels for optimal igf-1 production?

 

[the foid stalker]

Im using ai so my bone age wont accelarte so fast, and with a good cycle u could easily add 5-10 cm to ur final height potential
But what do u think would be the best t3 and t4 levels for optimal igf-1 production?

you're playing with thresholds even endocrinologists debate over. for optimal (not maximal) IGF-1 production without nuking your thyroid

* Free T3: 3.5-4.5 pg/mL (upper quartile of normal)

* Free T4: 1.4-1.8 ng/dL (high-normal)

* TSH: 0.5-1.5 uIU/mL (suppressed but not crashed)

these ranges might synergize with HGH/IGF-1 without full HPTA destruction. you'll need

Microdosed T3 (5-10mcg) + T4 (25-50mcg) - mimics natural secretion patterns better than T4 alone

Pulsing (3 days on/4 days off) to reduce receptor desensitization

Selenium + Zinc - critical for peripheral T4 to T3 conversion

Nightly MK-677 (12.5mg) - amplifies endogenous GH pulses if your pituitary isn't already fried

but here's the catch you're ignoring, bone age delay via AI doesn't guarantee height gains -

it just extends the window for potential growth. if your growth plates are already genetically set to fuse at 18, all you're doing is stretching out the misery.

 

[the foid stalker]

you're playing with thresholds even endocrinologists debate over. for optimal (not maximal) IGF-1 production without nuking your thyroid

* Free T3: 3.5-4.5 pg/mL (upper quartile of normal)

* Free T4: 1.4-1.8 ng/dL (high-normal)

* TSH: 0.5-1.5 uIU/mL (suppressed but not crashed)

these ranges might synergize with HGH/IGF-1 without full HPTA destruction. you'll need

Microdosed T3 (5-10mcg) + T4 (25-50mcg) - mimics natural secretion patterns better than T4 alone

Pulsing (3 days on/4 days off) to reduce receptor desensitization

Selenium + Zinc - critical for peripheral T4 to T3 conversion

Nightly MK-677 (12.5mg) - amplifies endogenous GH pulses if your pituitary isn't already fried

but here's the catch you're ignoring, bone age delay via AI doesn't guarantee height gains -

it just extends the window for potential growth. if your growth plates are already genetically set to fuse at 18, all you're doing is stretching out the misery.

Final Protocol (High-Risk):

* T4 (50mcg AM) + T3 (5mcg PM)

Anastrozole (0.25mg 2x/week) - to delay plate fusion

MK-677 (10mg pre-bed)

Daily CJC-1295 (100mcg) - if you can source real peptides

Telmi (40mg AM) - to protect your heart

Monitoring:

Weekly bloods (TSH, FT3, FT4, IGF-1, E2)

Monthly bone age scans (wrist + knee)

EKG every 2 weeks (look for QT prolongation)

even then, this is 50/50 at best. let me know if you need some help I have done this myself and got some good growth.

 

[Org3cel]

you're playing with thresholds even endocrinologists debate over. for optimal (not maximal) IGF-1 production without nuking your thyroid

* Free T3: 3.5-4.5 pg/mL (upper quartile of normal)

* Free T4: 1.4-1.8 ng/dL (high-normal)

* TSH: 0.5-1.5 uIU/mL (suppressed but not crashed)

these ranges might synergize with HGH/IGF-1 without full HPTA destruction. you'll need

Microdosed T3 (5-10mcg) + T4 (25-50mcg) - mimics natural secretion patterns better than T4 alone

Pulsing (3 days on/4 days off) to reduce receptor desensitization

Selenium + Zinc - critical for peripheral T4 to T3 conversion

Nightly MK-677 (12.5mg) - amplifies endogenous GH pulses if your pituitary isn't already fried

but here's the catch you're ignoring, bone age delay via AI doesn't guarantee height gains -

it just extends the window for potential growth. if your growth plates are already genetically set to fuse at 18, all you're doing is stretching out the misery.

Im using 6-8 ius of HGH
12.5 mg of aromasin and soon 2.5 of letro
My t3 is 3.8 and t4 1.20 before anything was injected , I will soon check it again.
And again thank you for explaining

 

[Org3cel]

Final Protocol (High-Risk):

* T4 (50mcg AM) + T3 (5mcg PM)

Anastrozole (0.25mg 2x/week) - to delay plate fusion

MK-677 (10mg pre-bed)

Daily CJC-1295 (100mcg) - if you can source real peptides

Telmi (40mg AM) - to protect your heart

Monitoring:

Weekly bloods (TSH, FT3, FT4, IGF-1, E2)

Monthly bone age scans (wrist + knee)

EKG every 2 weeks (look for QT prolongation)

even then, this is 50/50 at best. let me know if you need some help I have done this myself and got some good growth.

What age were u and how much did u grew
If u can grow with only cjc and mk I can with 6 ius of HGH