Tall ramus=downgrown maxilla, the truth about the ramus. (HIGH IQ, NICHE INFO, HIGH EFFORT)

[4lexx_skiral]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

 

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[ghcku]

high FUCKING iq post

 

[4lexx_skiral]

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Thx dude, really appreciate it

 

[ghoulmania]

dnr i have a short ramus and wish i had a long ramus

 

[4lexx_skiral]

dnr i have a short ramus and wish i had a long ramus

You should only wish for a taller ramus if your FMA is too high

 

[Simikz]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

Sadly I didn’t get lucky

 

[ghoulmania]

FMA?

You should only wish for a taller ramus if your FMA is too high

genuinely dont know what that is enlighten a greycel

 

[4lexx_skiral]

FMA?

genuinely dont know what that is enlighten a greycel

The steepness of the lower jaw, formed by the intersection of the Frankfort horizontal plane and the mandibular plane

 

[ghoulmania]

The steepness of the lower jaw, formed by the intersection of the Frankfort horizontal plane and the mandibular plane

ok so im low iq for this steepness which is???

 

[4lexx_skiral]

ok so im low iq for this steepness which is???

 

[ghoulmania]

ok

View attachment 4918165

so my philtrum and jaw isnt pushed down but rather normal but improvement would really be goated considering im 17 might have some development left

 

[Kojo]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

Mirin, finally a thread/guide that's something new and not fucking accutane guides

 

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[4lexx_skiral]

Mirin, finally a thread/guide that's something new and not fucking accutane guides

Thank you so much, compliments like this motivate me to make more threads

 

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[Luh?nn?]

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[Vass]

There's also a difference between a properly downgrown maxilla and an improperly downgrown maxilla

This guy has a downgrown face regardless of his ramus you can see his antegonial notch, same as bwython they curve downwards

Dolph lundgren doesn't have the best forward growth, but his "downgrown" maxilla is different because it is caused by his dimorphism. His maxilla and mandible are not pulled down, rather they have actually grown down.

It's an obvious difference here. On the right the dude's mandible curves downward because it is pulled downward. Dolph lundgren's mandible instead is grown downward, it is physically tall in height. (same with maxilla, this is why you see people like damian kater and jon erik hexum have that specific philtrum look)

 

[grootmeester15]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

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[eyenerf]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

high iq

There's also a difference between a properly downgrown maxilla and an improperly downgrown maxilla


View attachment 4920446View attachment 4920447
This guy has a downgrown face regardless of his ramus you can see his antegonial notch, same as bwython they curve downwards


View attachment 4920448
Dolph lundgren doesn't have the best forward growth, but his "downgrown" maxilla is different because it is caused by his dimorphism. His maxilla and mandible are not pulled down, rather they have actually grown down.


View attachment 4920448View attachment 4920446
It's an obvious difference here. On the right the dude's mandible curves downward because it is pulled downward. Dolph lundgren's mandible instead is grown downward, it is physically tall in height. (same with maxilla, this is why you see people like damian kater and jon erik hexum have that specific philtrum look)

this also makes a lot of sense

 

[4lexx_skiral]

high iq

this also makes a lot of sense

Yeah its something people dont realize.

I see people with good forward growth and low fma’s just like drago or barret getting criticized for having a “short ramus”

This is really something that should be taken into account when rating someone.

 

[jayzhunter]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

One of the most Knowledgeable User here on this forum Ngl

 

[cortisolman2]

You should only wish for a taller ramus if your FMA is too high

whats fma?

 

[cortisolman2]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

the images dont load or work

 

[4lexx_skiral]

whats fma?

 

[cortisolman2]

the picture isnt loading might be me but i cant see the image

 

[4lexx_skiral]

There's also a difference between a properly downgrown maxilla and an improperly downgrown maxilla


View attachment 4920446View attachment 4920447
This guy has a downgrown face regardless of his ramus you can see his antegonial notch, same as bwython they curve downwards


View attachment 4920448
Dolph lundgren doesn't have the best forward growth, but his "downgrown" maxilla is different because it is caused by his dimorphism. His maxilla and mandible are not pulled down, rather they have actually grown down.


View attachment 4920448View attachment 4920446
It's an obvious difference here. On the right the dude's mandible curves downward because it is pulled downward. Dolph lundgren's mandible instead is grown downward, it is physically tall in height. (same with maxilla, this is why you see people like damian kater and jon erik hexum have that specific philtrum look)

Would you say elias depoot is a properly downgrown maxilla, just without a ramus?

 

[Vass]

Would you say elias depoot is a properly downgrown maxilla, just without a ramus?

his maxilla is pretty normal sized imo he doesnt have a bunch of bone mass to start with

i should have specified btw properly downgrown maxilla is kinda a weird term since they are intuitively pretty contradictary, but what i meant is dolph lundren has a physically tall and big maxilla, therefore the bottom edge of the maxilla will be lower, which is different from somebody who's maxilla just gets pulled down and isn't tall, but is still low.

 

[foxhead131]

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[goku21]

Dnrd ts but I assume it’s wrong cuz grey

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Dnrd ts but I assume it’s wrong cuz grey

Its not wrong

 

[4lexx_skiral]

his maxilla is pretty normal sized imo he doesnt have a bunch of bone mass to start with

i should have specified btw properly downgrown maxilla is kinda a weird term since they are intuitively pretty contradictary, but what i meant is dolph lundren has a physically tall and big maxilla, therefore the bottom edge of the maxilla will be lower, which is different from somebody who's maxilla just gets pulled down and isn't tall, but is still low.

Yeah thats also what i thought you meant. Thanks for the high iq reply. Really appreciate it

 

[chrisisthenewclav]

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[johndoe_]

Incredible analogy. I agree with you, although i think the importance of being fully forward grown is a bit overvalued. Most humans are downward grown, at least by a little. You should look into surgery correlations and how one could benifit from a surgical movement depending on their facial features.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Incredible analogy. I agree with you, although i think the importance of being fully forward grown is a bit overvalued. Most humans are downward grown, at least by a little. You should look into surgery correlations and how one could benifit from a surgical movement depending on their facial features.

I agree, Downward growth is healthy. Normal growth involves the mandible moving downward and forward, which allows for proper tooth alignment, speech, and airway space. Having no downward growth will bring problems with it.

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

Ramus is still extremely important for facial aesthetics. Just a reminder Robert Pattinson is the ONLY batman actor to not have his jaw covered up.

 

[rolqof]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

very good thread

 

[gronkbaby]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

good thread

 

[olegtolstiy]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

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I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

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When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

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This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
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When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
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Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

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He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

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He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
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People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

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I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

sorry, I'm grey and from Russia. Could you please tell me if I move the Maxilla forward and up, could my ramus become visually shorter at 16 years old?

 

[JporkFoid]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

this is very smart i didnt know this

 

[Orc]

europeans are supposed to be somewhat flat and long faced, people blame modern diets and dentistry but old statues, portraits and other depictions of people look mostly the same facially as they do today.

'forward growth' is mostly a meme based on angle frauded pictures that aren't in frankfurt plane.

 

[grootmeester15]

europeans are supposed to be somewhat flat and long faced, people blame modern diets and dentistry but old statues, portraits and other depictions of people look mostly the same facially as they do today.

'forward growth' is mostly a meme based on angle frauded pictures that aren't in frankfurt plane.

Cope

 

[4lexx_skiral]

europeans are supposed to be somewhat flat and long faced, people blame modern diets and dentistry but old statues, portraits and other depictions of people look mostly the same facially as they do today.

'forward growth' is mostly a meme based on angle frauded pictures that aren't in frankfurt plane.

Maxilla’s upward and forward growth show development on a cellular level, its anything but a meme. Anteface is law, and in most cases only achievable if your ancestors where rich and/or of nobel descent eating the highest quality fresh raw livers while all the poor peasants where chewing on grains and slop, + on top of that you need proper envirment during childhood with a lot of breatfeeding. Development is law, and will always be law. projected infras + anteface in motion look unreal. Attractiveness is all subconsious based on development, and will always be

 

[支那mutation]

Do you mean having big ramus can make downgrows maxilla looks not that bad ?

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Do you mean having big ramus can make downgrows maxilla looks not that bad ?

A big ramus will make a downgrown maxilla look better since your FMA will be lower indicating healthier and stronger bite

 

[Orc]

Maxilla’s upward and forward growth show development on a cellular level, its anything but a meme. Anteface is law, and in most cases only achievable if your ancestors where rich and/or of nobel descent eating the highest quality fresh raw livers while all the poor peasants where chewing on grains and slop, + on top of that you need proper envirment during childhood with a lot of breatfeeding. Development is law, and will always be law. projected infras + anteface in motion look unreal. Attractiveness is all subconsious based on development, and will always be

the only surviving portraits and statues are of rich people and virtually all of them look the same as people that eat slop today.

they ate so much meat it gave them gout and still looked like this.

 

[XambosAg2]

High effort thread, good job

 

[olegtolstiy]

Today i will explain why having a tall ramus is caused by a downgrown maxilla.

View attachment 4917813

I havent seen people talk about this, but its pretty important and interesting.

View attachment 4917818

When the maxilla grows downward the mandible also has to grow downward

View attachment 4917822

This can cause an open bite and high frankfurt mandibular plane angle, which causes a weak bite and bad facial aestethics.
View attachment 4917824

When this happens a ramus has to grow to make the bite strong and healthy, which will also result in a lower mandibular plane angle. This will only happen when the person has high testosteron, good diet and good habits during the periode of mandible growth.

Dolph lundgren has a very big ramus, causing his face to NOT have the classic downgrown look. But his maxilla is pretty downgrown.
View attachment 4917829

Look what happens if we remove the ramus:

View attachment 4917850

He now looks very dowgrown.

I can show you many examples

This guy his ramus grew good, but not enough to compensate for his downgrown maxilla. But still, he doesnt look extremely “downgrown”, only a little bit. but look what happens if we remove the entire ramus.

View attachment 4917857View attachment 4917858
He now has a classic downgrown face.

Again, i can show you many examples
View attachment 4917912View attachment 4917913
View attachment 4917918View attachment 4917919

People with very forward grown maxillas dont need a ramus for a low mandibular plane angle and good bite, thats why you almost never see very forward grown people with a tall ramus.

There would be no reason for their cranium to develop a ramus since the bite is most likely already correct, growing a ramus could even result in a deep bite when the maxilla is forward grown and not downgrown. so it would even be considerd unideal.

View attachment 4917933View attachment 4917941


View attachment 4917957View attachment 4917958

View attachment 4917959

I can show you a lot more examples, but i think its clear what i mean.

In short: A ramus is basically a way for the mandible to compensate for a downgrown maxilla. The ramus grows to correct the bite, it makes the bite stronger and will also lower the mandibular plane angle causing better facial aestethics. When the maxilla isnt downgrown their is no need for a (tall) ramus, since the bite i likely already correct.

I hope you leaned something from my thread

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it and ask me question if you dont understand it

A big ramus will make a downgrown maxilla look better since your FMA will be lower indicating healthier and stronger bite

If I move the maxilla forward and up , my ramus can become visually smaller.