Tamoxifen and SERMs during Puberty: What Looksmax.org LIED to you About

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

SERMs are looked down upon but also looked up as an angel depending which scenario you apply it to. SERMs are praised during PCT, but when you start talking about SERMs during puberty, that starts becoming an issue. ALMOST every SERM shows to be a partial or full agonist in bone and growth plates, with an exception to Tamoxifen. Tamoxifen acts as an antagonist and has been shown in multiple studies to increase final predicted height by up to 10cm, EVEN in high estrogen male bodies. Issue is, there was a rodent study that many on looksmax.org have made misinformation from which said that rodents at supraphysiological doses of tamoxifen caused longitudinal growth retardation. FIRSTLY, rodents respond significantly different to humans regarding many drugs, including SERMs such as tamoxifen. SECONDLY, the doses were EXTREMELY HIGH compared to what any human took in trials. Tamoxifen has proved to help significantly with predicted final height and SLOW skeletal maturation, contrary to what the rodent studies showed. This makes it logically plausible that Tamoxifen SHOULD be taken in almost every heightmaxxing protocol in addition to an AI (and even during cycles). Of course, there still is risk and this shouldn’t be taken as solid advice but should be minded as it could be a significant help in heightmaxxing or heightmaxxing while on AAS that are estrogenic such as MENT.

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

BUMP

 

[AtrophicPyra]

link the studies

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

link the studies

I linked them in one of the forums I made but you can search it up brah

 

[MoggDawg]

i just started is 20mg a day a good dosage like how should i dose them because i heard they can be very liver toxic

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

i just started is 20mg a day a good dosage like how should i dose them because i heard they can be very liver toxic

That was the dosage used in clinical trials but stay safe and this isn’t advice. Everything you’re doing is based on your own caution. I purely said a theoretical situation and scenario. But in the theoretical scenario that a person took tamoxifen, they’d need to note multiple things. First, HGH to IGF-1 conversion will be suppressed. Although final height DOES increase, it does this by slowing down closure while also slightly slowing down growth. By injecting 8-10IU HGH/ day, this can be overridden. If any lower, (even if you inject 4-6 IU), blood tests are always necessary to check. Berberine HCl should be taken for blood sugar during the time injecting HGH. IGF-1 should be 600+ ng/mL (that is the goal). If tamoxifen significantly impacted this theoretical persons IGF-1, they’d then down it to 10mg and continue with another blood test. The theoretical person would also need to note risks of blood clots and diabetes (but mainly negligent in healthy adoloscents). If combined with androgens, the blood clot risk becomes very real and telmisartan + aspirin and magnesium hydroxide MUST be taken. Bleeding will happen and needs to be watched and avoided. 4L of water a day MUST be taken also if combined with androgens + electrolytes

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

i just started is 20mg a day a good dosage like how should i dose them because i heard they can be very liver toxic

Also take minoxidil either oral or topical so your hair doesn’t shed while on tamoxifen

 

[MoggDawg]

the ghk won’t balance that out with the collagen benefits??

 

[India lover 52]

ralaxofine is more selective than nolva and has less sides

 

[AtrophicPyra]

SERMs are looked down upon but also looked up as an angel depending which scenario you apply it to. SERMs are praised during PCT, but when you start talking about SERMs during puberty, that starts becoming an issue. ALMOST every SERM shows to be a partial or full agonist in bone and growth plates, with an exception to Tamoxifen. Tamoxifen acts as an antagonist and has been shown in multiple studies to increase final predicted height by up to 10cm, EVEN in high estrogen male bodies. Issue is, there was a rodent study that many on looksmax.org have made misinformation from which said that rodents at supraphysiological doses of tamoxifen caused longitudinal growth retardation. FIRSTLY, rodents respond significantly different to humans regarding many drugs, including SERMs such as tamoxifen. SECONDLY, the doses were EXTREMELY HIGH compared to what any human took in trials. Tamoxifen has proved to help significantly with predicted final height and SLOW skeletal maturation, contrary to what the rodent studies showed. This makes it logically plausible that Tamoxifen SHOULD be taken in almost every heightmaxxing protocol in addition to an AI (and even during cycles). Of course, there still is risk and this shouldn’t be taken as solid advice but should be minded as it could be a significant help in heightmaxxing or heightmaxxing while on AAS that are estrogenic such as MENT.

as long as estradiol is above 15 its fine right?

 

[currycel67]

shown in multiple studies to increase final predicted height by up to 10cm

Stop the cap nigga

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

Stop the cap nigga

Search it up, average increase was 10-11cm

 

[HardcoreLooksmaxxer]

as long as estradiol is above 15 its fine right?

Technically speaking above 10 is fine but ideal is 15-25 since you’re on tamoxifen you don’t want to be higher than that. Additionally, minoxidil should be ran while on tamoxifen ideally speaking because tamoxifen can cause hair shedding (minor and temporary). All of this is theoretical and not real advice

 

[j3nx]

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Technically speaking above 10 is fine but ideal is 15-25 since you’re on tamoxifen you don’t want to be higher than that. Additionally, minoxidil should be ran while on tamoxifen ideally speaking because tamoxifen can cause hair shedding (minor and temporary). All of this is theoretical and not real advice

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