test+anavar as a first cycle?

[shygrups]

Im doing research on PED and my friend has told me to start with anavar, would it be okay to just run anavar solo or should i combine it with test for my first cycle?

 

[BR32]

test only first cycle

 

[shygrups]

test only first cycle

How much? and why not pair it with anavar?

 

[BR32]

How much? and why not pair it with anavar?

300mg

because you want to know how your body responds to test only before adding in other shit

 

[shygrups]

300mg

because you want to know how your body responds to test only before adding in other shit

alr makes sense, how long u recommend first cycle to be if i decide to run 300mg test?

 

[LTBfoidcracker]

alr makes sense, how long u recommend first cycle to be if i decide to run 300mg test?

ibe heard 10-12 weeks

 

[iceturtles]

Every cycle needs a test base

 

[BR32]

alr makes sense, how long u recommend first cycle to be if i decide to run 300mg test?

16 weeks

 

[greylord]

16 weeks

What do u recommend alongside the 300mg test for one cycle only

 

[ascendtocl122]

What do u recommend alongside the 300mg test for one cycle only

is it your first cycle

 

[RecessedReality]

300mg

because you want to know how your body responds to test only before adding in other shit

High iq comment, too many people saying to start on 500

 

[BR32]

High iq comment, too many people saying to start on 500

To me 500 is still too high

Non test anabolics exist for a reason, because high test causes problems.

 

[RecessedReality]

To me 500 is still too high

Non test anabolics exist for a reason, because high test causes problems.

I started off with 400 and after checking bloods it was too high for me so I'm down to 350

 

[BR32]

I started off with 400 and after checking bloods it was too high for me so I'm down to 350

I'm on 300 rn planning to run 250 test and 350 mast pretty soon

good call following bloods lol most people don't even get bloods

 

[Sepsin]

To me 500 is still too high

Non test anabolics exist for a reason, because high test causes problems.

I agree, starting around 300 ng/dL is ideal to gauge aromatization.

From there, you can increase the dose as high as you want, as long as you don’t run into sides like high E2.

But bear in mind that you start getting diminishing returns.

 

[Sepsin]

I started off with 400 and after checking bloods it was too high for me so I'm down to 350

what ester are you using?

and what's ur injection frequency?

 

[RecessedReality]

what ester are you using?

and what's ur injection frequency?

Enanthate, alternating every 3/4 days 175mg

 

[BR32]

I agree, starting around 300 ng/dL is ideal to gauge aromatization.

From there, you can increase the dose as high as you want, as long as you don’t run into sides like high E2.

But bear in mind that you start getting diminishing returns.

Great approach, mirrors mine exactly

Individual aromatization varies a lot so thats why blanket 500 test is sped

What other anabolic agents are you planning to incorporate in the future?

 

[Sepsin]

Enanthate, alternating every 3/4 days 175mg

I mean if you were pinning ED you most likely wouldn't feel high E2 symptoms.

Even though the bloods would still indicate the same lvl of estradiol.

But at the end of the day, seeing how you feel is always more important than bloods, when it comes to E2.

 

[BR32]

I mean if you were pinning ED you most likely wouldn't feel high E2 symptoms.

Even though the bloods would still indicate the same lvl of estradiol.

But at the end of the day, seeing how you feel is always more important than bloods, when it comes to E2.

pinning ED is a game changer

 

[RecessedReality]

I mean if you were pinning ED you most likely wouldn't feel high E2 symptoms.

Even though the bloods would still indicate the same lvl of estradiol.

But at the end of the day, seeing how you feel is always more important than bloods, when it comes to E2.

Yea i was thinking that but I didn't buy enough syringes and needles for ed and injection site pain when rotating glutes is much more tolerable for me with the 3 and 4 day breaks

 

[BR32]

Yea i was thinking that but I didn't buy enough syringes and needles for ed and injection site pain when rotating glutes is much more tolerable for me with the 3 and 4 day breaks

The nice thing about pinning daily is you can use a way smaller gauge needle

I pin .14mL MCT oil with a 30g 1/2 insulin syringe

Its like doing peptides

 

[RecessedReality]

The nice thing about pinning daily is you can use a way smaller gauge needle

I pin .14mL MCT oil with a 30g 1/2 insulin syringe

Its like doing peptides

Very valid point I didn't think of it this way, next order I'll switch to ed

 

[Sepsin]

Great approach, mirrors mine exactly

Individual aromatization varies a lot so thats why blanket 500 test is sped

What other anabolic agents are you planning to incorporate in the future?

I think people really underestimate how much you can get from test alone.

But if I had to add another compound, it would be Var, Tbol, or EQ.

There are more interesting options I’m skipping bcs they cause hair loss (like Primo or Mast) or are just too harsh (like Superdrol).

 

[BR32]

I think people really underestimate how much you can get from test alone.

But if I had to add another compound, it would be Var, Tbol, or EQ.

There are more interesting options I’m skipping bcs they cause hair loss (like Primo or Mast) or are just too harsh (like Superdrol).

I'm planning to run mast

What I realized was the hair loss on mast is only an issue because people run too much test

Mast binds strongly to SHBG which raises free test and free dht which then fucks up your hair follicles.

I'll report how 250 test 350 mast goes when I start

My issue with primo and EQ is I just don't want to have to take that much test to balance out the AI effect.

 

[RecessedReality]

I think people really underestimate how much you can get from test alone.

But if I had to add another compound, it would be Var, Tbol, or EQ.

There are more interesting options I’m skipping bcs they cause hair loss (like Primo or Mast) or are just too harsh (like Superdrol).

I'm genuinely so glad I'm not an idiot at one point I was depressed as fuck (pre test) and was going to run superdrol my liver must be glad

 

[RecessedReality]

I'm planning to run mast

What I realized was the hair loss on mast is only an issue because people run too much test

Mast binds strongly to SHBG which raises free test and free dht which then fucks up your hair follicles.

I'll report how 250 test 350 mast goes when I start

My issue with primo and EQ is I just don't want to have to take that much test to balance out the AI effect.

Tag me in update please

 

[BR32]

Tag me in update please

I gotcha brah

 

[BR32]

I'm genuinely so glad I'm not an iqcell at one point I was depressed as fuck (pre test) and was going to run superdrol my liver must be glad

theres so many mega retards out here that are actually running legit organ failure stacks

I saw a kid running DHB, Tren, Estradiol, Letrazole and Anavar at crazy doses for his first cycle

Bro didn't listen to anything.

 

[RecessedReality]

theres so many mega retards out here that are actually running legit organ failure stacks

I saw a kid running DHB, Tren, Estradiol, Letrazole and Anavar at crazy doses for his first cycle

Bro didn't listen to anything.

This kind of shit gives me flashbacks to prime mpmd steroid horror stories, kids probably on life support right now

 

[Sepsin]

I'm planning to run mast

What I realized was the hair loss on mast is only an issue because people run too much test

Mast binds strongly to SHBG which raises free test and free dht which then fucks up your hair follicles.

I'll report how 250 test 350 mast goes when I start

My issue with primo and EQ is I just don't want to have to take that much test to balance out the AI effect.

hmm interesting

I actually don't have a lot of knowledge about mast, but your point seems valid.

In regards to EQ, I def get what you're saying, but I think you'd be fine up until a 1:1 ratio w/ Test.

Now anything more than that, you start entering the danger zone where you might crash E2.

 

[BR32]

This kind of shit gives me flashbacks to prime mpmd steroid horror stories, kids probably on life support right now

Thats exactly what I thought too lol

 

[BR32]

hmm interesting

I actually don't have a lot of knowledge about mast, but your point seems valid.

In regards to EQ, I def get what you're saying, but I think you'd be fine up until a 1:1 ratio w/ Test.

Now anything more than that, you start entering the danger zone where you might crash E2.

I would check out Todd Lee if you're looking into Masteron

He has a lot of videos explaining the mechanism/biochemsitry

 

[BR32]

hmm interesting

I actually don't have a lot of knowledge about mast, but your point seems valid.

In regards to EQ, I def get what you're saying, but I think you'd be fine up until a 1:1 ratio w/ Test.

Now anything more than that, you start entering the danger zone where you might crash E2.

 

[Sepsin]

I would check out Todd Lee if you're looking into Masteron

He has a lot of videos explaining the mechanism/biochemsitry

Thanks, I might take a look.

But tbh I'll just be running this 16-week 350mg/week Test P cycle and then hop off for good.

It's def not the smartest move though, so I don't recommend anyone doing this lol

 

[BR32]

hmm interesting

I actually don't have a lot of knowledge about mast, but your point seems valid.

In regards to EQ, I def get what you're saying, but I think you'd be fine up until a 1:1 ratio w/ Test.

Now anything more than that, you start entering the danger zone where you might crash E2.

You're def right about EQ, the hematocrit isn't even an issue either if you drink enough water

People underestimate how much water you need to drink on gear to stay healthy

 

[BR32]

Thanks, I might take a look.

But tbh I'll just be running this 16-week 350mg/week Test P cycle and then hop off for good.

It's def not the smartest move though, so I don't recommend anyone doing this lol

See thats what you say, but the devil on your shoulder gonna say. "Just one more cycle"

 

[Sepsin]

See thats what you say, but the devil on your shoulder gonna say. "Just one more cycle"

ahahah people always tell me that, but I think I'll resist the temptation lol

 

[BR32]

ahahah people always tell me that, but I think I'll resist the temptation lol

I did not resist the temptation

I even started w peptides and was like "I'll never hop on gear"

Now that I'm fully saturated on Test E there is no way I can come off

 

[Sepsin]

I did not resist the temptation

I even started w peptides and was like "I'll never hop on gear"

Now that I'm fully saturated on Test E there is no way I can come off

btw, what's your opinion in regards to different PCT methodologies?

I personally think that it's best to do hCG while on cycle, and then only enclo (or enclo + nolva) as the actual PCT.

 

[BR32]

btw, what's your opinion in regards to different PCT methodologies?

I personally think that it's best to do hCG while on cycle, and then only enclo (or enclo + nolva) as the actual PCT.

I agree, HCG on cycle is best practice

I don't plan on PCTing and I'm not currently on HCG so I'm probably infertile

Enclo seems like the best serm for pct

 

[Sepsin]

I don't plan on PCTing and I'm not currently on HCG so I'm probably infertile

lol yea most likely

Enclo seems like the best serm for pct

yea I agree, my main question now is if I should combine it w/ nolva or just do it alone.

The problem with Nolva is that it blocks estrogen, so I might feel low E2 symptoms during PCT.

Also, enclo might be enough by itself, but I still don't know tbh.

 

[BR32]

lol yea most likely


yea I agree, my main question now is if I should combine it w/ nolva or just do it alone.

The problem with Nolva is that it blocks estrogen, so I might feel low E2 symptoms during PCT.

Also, enclo might be enough by itself, but I still don't know to be honest.

Enclo+HCG is totally fine I don't think you need both and suppressing your E2 wouldn't be optimal

 

[tomahawk]

16 weeks

Id run 12 weeks

 

[tomahawk]

Enclo+HCG is totally fine I don't think you need both and suppressing your E2 wouldn't be optimal

I'd imagine him doing hCG on cycle and enclo off cycle

 

[tomahawk]

btw, what's your opinion in regards to different PCT methodologies?

I personally think that it's best to do hCG while on cycle, and then only enclo (or enclo + nolva) as the actual PCT.

Yes

 

[BR32]

I'd imagine him doing hCG on cycle and enclo off cycle

Yes I believe thats his plan

 

[Sepsin]

I'd imagine him doing hCG on cycle and enclo off cycle

I think that he wanted to say that.

But yea, I’ll def be doing that!

 

[tomahawk]

Yes I believe thats his plan

I think that he wanted to say that.

But yea, I’ll def be doing that!

I just DNR the upper part of the convo lmao

 

[BR32]

I just DNR the upper part of the convo lmao

We all been there twin