The actual cost of limb lengthening is less than what you think.

[jfllcellular]

Most people look at limb lengthening and just see the sticker price — Around the $70,000 mark. But that's not actually what you are paying.


There's well documented research showing that height generates a measurable earnings premium — roughly $800 per inch per year in additional income. At even a modest 2.5 inches of gain that's about $2,000 per year in extra earnings for the rest of your working life. When you value that as a perpetual income stream — like a bond that pays forever — it's worth roughly $40,000 in today's money.


So the surgery effectively pays for half of itself through earnings alone over your lifetime.


What you will actually be paying out of pocket in real terms is around $32,000 for everything else the surgery gives you — the confidence, the social benefits, the dating market improvement, the psychological value of never wondering what if. Things that no amount of saving or investing can buy you any other way.

Especially if you go from average height to a generally considered "tall" height. Obviously the premium is not as high if you go from 5'4 to 5'7, but at least people will treat you somewhat like a human being.
(There are people out there who spend 32k just to get a cope master's degree while they are living life as a sub 5)

And at around 24 years old, $32,000 spread over 40+ years of benefit is less than $1,000 per year. That's the real price of the upgrade.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

True

 

[LEFORT17]

True

sure

 

[Marse_t]

The thing is that this 70k mark doesn't make any sense. Each clinic charges a different price also based on the device you're getting. Also there are extremely good surgeons who don't charge a lot because they are in poorer countries. Dr Mangal Parihar was trained by Paley and is super competent, but with LON for tibias you're just paying around 20k maybe even less. Of course India and Turkey have plenty of bad and dangerous clinics, but you find bad clinics almost everywhere. You need to search which surgeon you're getting (always prioritize surgeon with a long experience of limb lengthening for leg length discrepancies rather than purely cosmetical) and what's the physical therapy plan.
My plan is in a year or two to get LON with Parihar (hopefully 5/6cm on tibias) and then when I'll save up more money I want to get femurs with Gnail or Precise MAX if it will be available with Giotikas (around 60k) (both are weight bearing meaning you can walk from the day after the surgery, this ensures faster bone healing and you don't lose muscle mass, muscles tendons will adapt much better this way and the loss of mobility will be much less, with a far shorter recovery time too).
The real difficult part of the surgery is the soft tissue not the bones, when you choose a decent surgeon the bones will be fine but the muscles need constant hours and hours of physical therapy everyday to return to full function.

 

[blinemaxxer]

I heard there are some clinics quote around 25-30k eur in turkey (new LL forum)

 

[jfllcellular]

The thing is that this 70k mark doesn't make any sense. Each clinic charges a different price also based on the device you're getting. Also there are extremely good surgeons who don't charge a lot because they are in poorer countries. Dr Mangal Parihar was trained by Paley and is super competent, but with LON for tibias you're just paying around 20k maybe even less. Of course India and Turkey have plenty of bad and dangerous clinics, but you find bad clinics almost everywhere. You need to search which surgeon you're getting (always prioritize surgeon with a long experience of limb lengthening for leg length discrepancies rather than purely cosmetical) and what's the physical therapy plan.
My plan is in a year or two to get LON with Parihar (hopefully 5/6cm on tibias) and then when I'll save up more money I want to get femurs with Gnail or Precise MAX if it will be available with Giotikas (around 60k) (both are weight bearing meaning you can walk from the day after the surgery, this ensures faster bone healing and you don't lose muscle mass, muscles tendons will adapt much better this way and the loss of mobility will be much less, with a far shorter recovery time too).
The real difficult part of the surgery is the soft tissue not the bones, when you choose a decent surgeon the bones will be fine but the muscles need constant hours and hours of physical therapy everyday to return to full function.

Yes but I just used the 70k figure due to the fact that it is around what you pay including the indirect costs, maybe even with precise 2. The 70k price tag isn't really the point I was trying to make but I agree with youl

 

[jfllcellular]

I heard there are some clinics quote around 25-30k eur in turkey (new LL forum)

Yes I think so but those are usually just for LON which is an inferior method and also probably doesn't account for all the other indirect costs related to the surgery.

 

[jfllcellular]

The thing is that this 70k mark doesn't make any sense. Each clinic charges a different price also based on the device you're getting. Also there are extremely good surgeons who don't charge a lot because they are in poorer countries. Dr Mangal Parihar was trained by Paley and is super competent, but with LON for tibias you're just paying around 20k maybe even less. Of course India and Turkey have plenty of bad and dangerous clinics, but you find bad clinics almost everywhere. You need to search which surgeon you're getting (always prioritize surgeon with a long experience of limb lengthening for leg length discrepancies rather than purely cosmetical) and what's the physical therapy plan.
My plan is in a year or two to get LON with Parihar (hopefully 5/6cm on tibias) and then when I'll save up more money I want to get femurs with Gnail or Precise MAX if it will be available with Giotikas (around 60k) (both are weight bearing meaning you can walk from the day after the surgery, this ensures faster bone healing and you don't lose muscle mass, muscles tendons will adapt much better this way and the loss of mobility will be much less, with a far shorter recovery time too).
The real difficult part of the surgery is the soft tissue not the bones, when you choose a decent surgeon the bones will be fine but the muscles need constant hours and hours of physical therapy everyday to return to full function.

Also why would you go for LON as opposed to precise 2, which surgeons would you recommend as well. India or turkey.

 

[Marse_t]

Also why would you go for LON as opposed to precise 2, which surgeons would you recommend as well. India or turkey.

LON is mostly ok only for tibias because the bone doesn't have much soft tissue before the skin, this means that there will be less damage to the soft tissues rather than doing LON on the femurs where complications are more likely. The fact is that since LON on tibias is ok I think it's worth the 40k less you spend on it. I suggest parihar in India, I don't know about other surgeons there I would avoid them. Turkey is also a terrible place for this surgery along with Vietnam. Maybe there is one good clinic in Turkey but it's not as well regarded as parihar. You can do your own research, Cyborg4Life has interviewed a lot of highly competent surgeons

 

[jfllcellular]

LON is mostly ok only for tibias because the bone doesn't have much soft tissue before the skin, this means that there will be less damage to the soft tissues rather than doing LON on the femurs where complications are more likely. The fact is that since LON on tibias is ok I think it's worth the 40k less you spend on it. I suggest parihar in India, I don't know about other surgeons there I would avoid them. Turkey is also a terrible place for this surgery along with Vietnam. Maybe there is one good clinic in Turkey but it's not as well regarded as parihar. You can do your own research, Cyborg4Life has interviewed a lot of highly competent surgeons

For a first surgery I was considering just going with precise 2 in femurs. I have heard it is easier to recover from with it being internal yknow. Ideally I would only stick to either femurs or tibia/fibula. I am already 173cm so I should be fine with one or the other, no need for both. I know LiveLIfeTaller in Turkey is popular but I did not know about the indian parihar before, will definitely expand my research.

 

[Marse_t]

For a first surgery I was considering just going with precise 2 in femurs. I have heard it is easier to recover from with it being internal yknow. Ideally I would only stick to either femurs or tibia/fibula. I am already 173cm so I should be fine with one or the other, no need for both. I know LiveLIfeTaller in Turkey is popular but I did not know about the indian parihar before, will definitely expand my research.

Go with Gnail or Betzbone (or precice max when it will come out) these are full weight bearing nails, you can walk the day after surgery (with caution of course). In this case, unlike with bone smashing, wolf's law actually applyes, constant pressure of your body weight on the bone is going to lead to much faster bone healing. Your tissues will also adapt much better and you won't atrophy your muscles, with precice you're going to be stuck on a wheel chair for a long time, this will make your muscle stiff and atrophy, you'll need to learn to walk again and it will take much longer to regain mobility. Full weight bearing nail mean better recovery, mobility and range of motion. It's going to take less months to complete everything too.

 

[Marse_t]

I know LiveLIfeTaller in Turkey

That's some of the worst you could get, don't go with them, they receive the crazy patiens that other surgeons around the world don't want seeking dangerous lenghts like 7+ cm on tibias which will most likely lead to ballerina feet.

 

[jfllcellular]

Go with Gnail or Betzbone (or precice max when it will come out) these are full weight bearing nails, you can walk the day after surgery (with caution of course). In this case, unlike with bone smashing, wolf's law actually applyes, constant pressure of your body weight on the bone is going to lead much faster bone healing. You tissues will also adapt much better and you won't atrophy your muscles, with precice you're going to be stuck on a wheel chair for a long time, this will make your muscle stiff and atrophy, you'll need to learn to walk again and it will take much longer to regain mobility. Full weight bearing nail mean better recovery, mobility and range of motion. It's going to take less months to complete everything too.

Yes I know of that but I heard it is very limited and therefore also way more expensive. I was also thinking about sourcing hgh or pth analogs along side my consolidation phase to ramp it up, still unsure how this would work so still researching. What I have heard is that tibias is harder to recover from since you need way more aggressive physical therapy(achilles tendon and stuff like that). You seem very knowledgeable on this with specific surgeons, what would you say?

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

Tales

 

[Marse_t]

Yes I know of that but I heard it is very limited and therefore also way more expensive. I was also thinking about sourcing hgh or pth analogs along side my consolidation phase to ramp it up, still unsure how this would work so still researching. What I have heard is that tibias is harder to recover from since you need way more aggressive physical therapy(achilles tendon and stuff like that). You seem very knowledgeable on this with specific surgeons, what would you say?

Tibias take longer to heal that's true. The stryde nail which was full weight bearing was limited and removed from the market a few years ago, but as far as I know gnail isn't that limited, Giotikas should charge around 48500€ for it, almost 60k in dollars. The absolute best surgeon is Paley in Florida but his prices go from 120k to 200k so unless your rich don't go there, he has the best pt in the world tho, with him you're certian that you can go back to sports just like before. Other good surgeons are Craig Robbins from the paley institute aswell, Franz Birkholtz, Marie Gdalevitch and Donghoon Lee. There are others of course but you're safe with these

 

[kaydd]

For a first surgery I was considering just going with precise 2 in femurs. I have heard it is easier to recover from with it being internal yknow. Ideally I would only stick to either femurs or tibia/fibula. I am already 173cm so I should be fine with one or the other, no need for both. I know LiveLIfeTaller in Turkey is popular but I did not know about the indian parihar before, will definitely expand my research.

Stay the fuck away from livelifetaller, heard a ton of horror stories from there

 

[jfllcellular]

Stay the fuck away from livelifetaller, heard a ton of horror stories from there

appreciate the information bhai

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Tibias take longer to heal that's true. The stryde nail which was full weight bearing was limited and removed from the market a few years ago, but as far as I know gnail isn't that limited, Giotikas should charge around 48500€ for it, almost 60k in dollars. The absolute best surgeon is Paley in Florida but his prices go from 120k to 200k so unless your rich don't go there, he has the best pt in the world tho, with him you're certian that you can go back to sports just like before. Other good surgeons are Craig Robbins from the paley institute aswell, Franz Birkholtz, Marie Gdalevitch and Donghoon Lee. There are others of course but you're safe with these

Iam 193cm but iam reading all of those molecules

 

[Marse_t]

Iam 193cm but iam reading all of those molecules

I'm 176, if everything goes well 7 to 10 years from now I'll be 189 lol. Problem is just money honestly

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

I'm 176, if everything goes well 7 to 10 years from now I'll be 189 lol. Problem is just money honestly

Good luck broski.
When I grow up I want to be a med engineer in limb lengthening/ilizarov technique to help yall incels get taller

 

[jfllcellular]

Iam 193cm but iam reading all of those molecules

193cm will be the next 180cm in 10-20 years so better be ready bro

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

193cm will be the next 180cm in 10-20 years so better be ready bro

Haha iam not so certain. There’s a physiological limit to how tall humans naturally are.
Then LL on top of that is another story but won’t me many ppl doing it anyway

 

[jfllcellular]

Haha iam not so certain. There’s a physiological limit to how tall humans naturally are.
Then LL on top of that is another story but won’t me many ppl doing it anyway

Yeah except I can see LL becoming very popular in the next decade easily. However, no matter what I will always try to talk down on the procedure around normies to keep the desire even lower around tall and average height people getting it done. So there is that.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Yeah except I can see LL becoming very popular in the next decade easily. However, no matter what I will always try to talk down on the procedure around normies to keep the desire even lower around tall and average height people getting it done. So there is that.

Yes for sure you don’t want everyone to do it.
I think there will always be a big barrier to entry simply cuz people are high inhib.
It’s less the case in India tho. I think more Indians are willing to do it. Prolly in other Asian country too

 

[Marse_t]

Yeah except I can see LL becoming very popular in the next decade easily. However, no matter what I will always try to talk down on the procedure around normies to keep the desire even lower around tall and average height people getting it done. So there is that.

Remember that foids are getting Limb Lengthening too

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Remember that foids are getting Limb Lengthening too

What ?hell nah
Has there ever been a case of fem LL ?

 

[jfllcellular]

What ?hell nah
Has there ever been a case of fem LL ?

bro yes multiple cases lmaoo. Obviously they also get a benefit of having the ability to filter for taller men after getting taller themselves. It is like when women get high paying jobs, it helps them because now they are able to filter for men who make more than them. But fem LL will never become as popular

 

[jfllcellular]

Remember that foids are getting Limb Lengthening too

What are your opinions on hgh and pth analogs during consolidation to speed up bone forming.
I have never seen anyone ever mention these mechanisms to recover.

 

[Acquiescence]

Too bad I’m a fucking retard and can only manage to get by via slogging it out in manual labor jobs

LL would jeopardize my ability to pay my bills jfl

Over

WFHcels truly blessed

 

[jfllcellular]

Too bad I’m a fucking retard and can only manage to get by via slogging it out in manual labor jobs

LL would jeopardize my ability to pay my bills jfl

Over

WFHcels truly blessed

What kind of manual labor jobs? you could try to go into CDL driving, no real education requirement just pure sweat equity but at least you are seated for most of it. Unless you have any dependents like children then I would advise against it but hey you never know.

 

[Acquiescence]

What kind of manual labor jobs? you could try to go into CDL driving, no real education requirement just pure sweat equity but at least you are seated for most of it. Unless you have any dependents like children then I would advise against it but hey you never know.

Electrical (Inb4 gay soft hands)

Up and down ladders and scissor lifts all day. Kneeling down, contorting and twisting into bullshit tight crawl spaces etc

 

[jfllcellular]

Electrical (Inb4 gay soft hands)

Up and down ladders and scissor lifts all day. Kneeling down, contorting and twisting into bullshit tight crawl spaces etc

I would look into CDL driving if you can but also you likely won't be getting paid as much at first compared to where you are now. You could try to look for a way to get an insurance payout. Walk around home depot until you trip and fall or something falls on you that you can sue for.

 

[Acquiescence]

I would look into CDL driving if you can but also you likely won't be getting paid as much at first compared to where you are now. You could try to look for a way to get an insurance payout. Walk around home depot until you trip and fall or something falls on you that you can sue for.

Home Depot Method

 

[bjebb007]

This is why I'm getting it

 

[Adee]

it's even cheaper than that with some experienced surgeons, 10-15k usd
i think anyone who is really serious about this will find the right information

 

[jfllcellular]

it's even cheaper than that with some experienced surgeons, 10-15k usd
i think anyone who is really serious about this will find the right information

Parihar yes but u have to recover in mumbai. Rip. Have you considered LL? Have you done it?

 

[adarsh arya]

LON is mostly ok only for tibias because the bone doesn't have much soft tissue before the skin, this means that there will be less damage to the soft tissues rather than doing LON on the femurs where complications are more likely. The fact is that since LON on tibias is ok I think it's worth the 40k less you spend on it. I suggest parihar in India, I don't know about other surgeons there I would avoid them. Turkey is also a terrible place for this surgery along with Vietnam. Maybe there is one good clinic in Turkey but it's not as well regarded as parihar. You can do your own research, Cyborg4Life has interviewed a lot of highly competent surgeons

I WANNA DO 6-7 CM ON FEMURS WHAT WOULD U RECOMMEND

 

[adarsh arya]

Too bad I’m a fucking retard and can only manage to get by via slogging it out in manual labor jobs

LL would jeopardize my ability to pay my bills jfl

Over

WFHcels truly blessed

OVER FOR WAGECELS JUST BE BORN RICH

 

[adarsh arya]

193cm will be the next 180cm in 10-20 years so better be ready bro

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