the average atheist and average religious person are both retarded

[Hess]

Everyday there is some extremely low IQ argument that comes from both sides that have never meaningfully engaged in any form of research unless it actively conforms to their beliefs, atheists here have zero understanding of the religions they critique or what the actual arguments are, meanwhile actual skeptics that have studied the field and debated extensively have regularly conceded ground to theism and have said that although they are still atheists, they believe that said theists have proved and established perfectly logical arguments for their beliefs and are far less arrogant than the average retard that debates on here, this just proves that the average person on both sides arent actually interested in finding the truth but trying to get a slam dunk for internet points while they understand nothing about the actual debate over the subject of theism or skeptic debates in general (both atheists and Christians on here are guilty of this)

 

[JewishNationalist]

god can be logically proven and disproven as well so all of those ontological or cosmological are just retarded and dont even slightly make any sense. in reality all of that transcendent bullshit just doesn't exist including logic itself thats just our own tool. its always when something is supposed to be transcendent it just doesn't exist because its not even supposed to be material. if its not supposed to be material then wtf are we even talking about lol i can also say that some transcendent invisible unicorn cums his transcendent cum in your mouth in this moment so we basically can make up any shit @PrinceLuenLeoncur

 

[Hess]

god can be logically proven and disproven as well so all of those ontological or cosmological or just retarded and dont even slightly make any sense. in reality all of that transcendent bullshit just doesn't exist including logic itself thats just our own tool. its always when something is supposed to be transcendent it just doesn't exist because its not even supposed to be material. if its not supposed to be material then wtf are we even talking about lol i can also say that i'm transcendent invisible unicorn cums his transcendent cum in your mouth in this moment so we basically can make up any shit @PrinceLuenLeoncur

if logic does not exist or affect actual reality then you are defacto saying your own argument is meaningless, also we interact with non-material things everyday and treat them as fact, by saying this then you are saying time, math or physics are not real just because they are not material, restricting existence only to things made of matter is silly, as for the unicorn analogy that is just a misunderstanding of what god would be in this context, the transcendent unicorn is a contingent physical concept that you arbitrarily labeled invisible, it doesn't refute any philosophical argument, the hard materialism that you are arguing for is also a fringe theory that is very hard to meaningfully argue for when concepts like quantum mechanics (matter stops acting like solid material, particles exist in clouds of probabilities and they dont take a definite form until they are measured or observed)

 

[JewishNationalist]

if logic does not exist or affect actual reality then you are defacto saying your own argument is meaningless, also we interact with non-material things everyday and treat them as fact, by saying this then you are saying time, math or physics are not real just because they are not material, restricting existence only to things made of matter is silly, as for the unicorn analogy that is just a misunderstanding of what god would be in this context, the transcendent unicorn is a contingent physical concept that you arbitrarily labeled invisible, it doesn't refute any philosophical argument, the hard materialism that you are arguing for is also a fringe theory that is very hard to meaningfully argue for when concepts like quantum mechanics (matter stops acting like solid material, particles exist in clouds of probabilities and they dont take a definite form until they are measured or observed)

who decides what is meaningless or not? or do you actually want to say that the concept of meaning is a substance rather than a made up mental construct lol? if logic is real then show me where is it placed ig. time is not immaterial it has been proven by epstein that time is not a substance and that its just our own construct that is relative and depends on earth orbit which was conventionally picked. math and physics were also invented not discovered. otherwise show me these laws in reality not on paper with nominal symbols that mean our explanations of reality but not reality itself. unicorn analogy is totally correct. if they said that there's some all knowing all powerful superduper ubermensch being but its just in some shadow world not in this and they say trust me bhai then i can also say that my unicorn that fucks you in the mouth is transcendent you should believe in him otherwise inquisitors will purge you. and i'm not a materialist either, the existence of matter has never been proven, because it was never proven that anything exists outside of my thoughts

 

[Hess]

who decides what is meaningless or not? or do you actually want to say that the concept of meaning is a substance rather than a made up mental construct lol? if logic is real then show me where is it placed ig. time is not immaterial it has been proven by epstein that time is not a substance and that its just our own construct that is relative and depends on earth orbit which was conventionally picked. math and physics were also invented not discovered. otherwise show me these laws in reality not on paper with nominal symbols that mean our explanations of reality but not reality itself. unicorn analogy is totally correct. if they said that there's some all knowing all powerful superduper ubermensch being but its just in some shadow world not in this and they say trust me bhai then i can also say that my unicorn that fucks you in the mouth is transcendent you should believe in him otherwise inquisitors will purge you. and i'm not a materialist either, the existence of matter has never been proven, because it was never proven that anything exists outside of my thoughts

The symbols we make up for things like math, physics or time are subjective but the actual universal reality they describe are real, einstein proved that time is relative to speed and gravity, time dilates near a blackhole even if earth never existed and we did not have the calendar to base our time on, the fact it can bend and stretch based on physical variables proves that time is an objective property of the universe and not a psychological illusion, and the unicorn argument is not a fair comparison to arguing that a universe that is changing and contingent thing which theistic logic here would dictate that there must be a non-changing non-contingent foundation that keeps it in existence, its just a silly adhom that doesnt engage with the argument, the whole time is not real thing is silly in general its like saying the continents of africa or south america are not real because we had to name them and discover them for them to be invented

 

[DrRodger]

Dnr kys

 

[Hess]

Dnr kys

Low IQ