the biggest copes in psl

I feel like in that case fat grafting is better no? Because you’re actually using your own fat and making changes
Doesn’t replicate structure at all. Helpful for the orbital region and general anti-aging > filler, but utterly useless for visual structural enhancement, that's what fillers, implants and osteotomies are for.
Efficiency vs quality
Not feasible. Like I said, you aren’t going to get a lefort three, nor a zygomatic osteotomy. Bimax is practically the limit of legitimate structural augmentation outside of pure visuals.
 
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dissolving should cost around $200
and injection like 1k
but why would you wanna do it in america
Most people will that’s the thing no one wants to fly back and forth just for filler why not be just be one and done
 
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dissolving should cost around $200
and injection like 1k
but why would you wanna do it in america

Doesn’t replicate structure at all. Helpful for the orbital region and general anti-aging > filler, but utterly useless for visual structural enhancement, that's what fillers, implants and osteotomies are for.

Not feasible. Like I said, you aren’t going to get a lefort three, nor a zygomatic osteotomy. Bimax is practically the limit of legitimate structural augmentation outside of pure visuals.
Thing is implants and fillers is more risky around the eyes in my opinion fat grafting> than both for something like this
 
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They ignore the biggest blackpill fact, that being women do not use PSL to determine if you are attractive. They do it sub consciously. There is no PSL metric, there is no MTN, LTN or HTN. There is average, attractive or ugly. In other terms. Subhuman, friend/betabuxx and cherished lover.
 
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Most people will that’s the thing no one wants to fly back and forth just for filler why not be just be one and done
I don't think that's big of a deal if you do lets say both chin, jaw and zygo fille every 1-2 years
 
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Thing is implants and fillers is more risky around the eyes in my opinion fat grafting> than both for something like this
I agree about fat grafting
but many people confuse what infraorbitals are
because it is not a real term for that area, people started using it here because of "infraorbital implants"
if we are talking about undereyes its fat graft only
if we are talking about zygos its filler only
 
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I don't think that's big of a deal if you do lets say both chin, jaw and zygo fille every 1-2 years
Why not just one and done with it you have to be financially stable enough to make those flights and payments for years upon years
 
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Why not just one and done with it you have to be financially stable enough to make those flights and payments for years upon years
There is no alternative to that
jaw fillers quality are just a lot better than implant's quality, and you dont have to worry about getting botched and undergo surgery
for zygos, no zygo implant looks natural, compared to filler that if injected right doesnt have problem of shine or bad transitioning its a no brainer
the only alternative can be found for chin filler, as genio
but genio is 8k, compared to 300$ filler in clinic or 40$ if you are going DIY :Comfy:
 
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Btw I’m enjoying this conversation this is my first time doing this
 
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There is no alternative to that
jaw fillers quality are just a lot better than implant's quality, and you dont have to worry about getting botched and undergo surgery
for zygos, no zygo implant looks natural, compared to filler that if injected right doesnt have problem of shine or bad transitioning its a no brainer
the only alternative can be found for chin filler, as genio
but genio is 8k, compared to 300$ filler in clinic or 40$ if you are going DIY :Comfy:
Surgeons listen to their customers I feel like normies make the mistake of wanting more mm making them look uncanny which lots of surgeons just care about doing their job and getting the paper
 
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Surgeons listen to their customers I feel like normies make the mistake of wanting more mm making them look uncanny which lots of surgeons just care about doing their job and getting the paper
It's not about mms, implants have limitations
 
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Ok yes I agree with implants having limitations on certain things because with filler you’re manipulating soft tissue I’m not saying filler is dog shit but overwhelmingly there are osteotomies and grafting that can effect overall health and structure for the better and permanent
It's not about mms, implants have limitations
 
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not putting effort into ur social life before u "ascend"
so many people here genuinely don't understand, saved mine this year
 
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Ok yes I agree with implants having limitations on certain things because with filler you’re manipulating soft tissu
you're manipulating soft tissue both with implants and fillers
but overwhelmingly there are osteotomies and grafting that can effect overall health and structure for the better and permanent
ostetomies yes, but ostetomies aren't for "bonemass"
most of the time they just fix your ratios and recession
you won't get a wide jaw from bimax
 
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But filler definitely thrives around the zygos mid face area because realistically no one’s getting a lefort 2 or 3
 
you're manipulating soft tissue both with implants and fillers

ostetomies yes, but ostetomies aren't for "bonemass"
most of the time they just fix your ratios and recession
you won't get a wide jaw from bimax
Custom jaw implants but hear me out if you do it right it can literally change everything for the better it’s usually user error and wanting unrealistic results which makes them look gay
 
But filler definitely thrives around the zygos mid face area because realistically no one’s getting a lefort 2 or 3
If you have an average midface projection Lefort 3 won't change much
It's more about the shape rather than just projection
You have to be severely recessed to benefit from it
 
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If you have an average midface projection Lefort 3 won't change much
It's more about the shape rather than just projection
You have to be severely recessed to benefit from it
I’m talking about the overwhelming population of recessed people it’s also arguably becoming worse
 
Custom jaw implants but hear me out if you do it right it can literally change everything for the better it’s usually user error and wanting unrealistic results which makes them look gay
Why don't we see such limitations with fillers?
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I’m talking about the overwhelming population of recessed people it’s also arguably becoming worse
Okay I will make it clear

99% of population will not benefit from it
Only syndromic patients
 
I’m talking about the overwhelming population of recessed people it’s also arguably becoming worse
Which ascends people a lot 1:3 people I walk past are pretty recessed and would generally improve a lot
Why don't we see such limitations with fillers?
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thing is im just arguing if you have the money for this why not get a perm result because with filler ngl you’d look good the first time but then quickly starts looking iffy
 
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This is physically impossible unless they didnt inject fillers directly to the bone
Also a lot of filler patients I see can literally get insurance covered surgery not just for aesthetics but also health issues a lot of downward grown recessions of the mandible etc.
 
Also a lot of filler patients I see can literally get insurance covered surgery not just for aesthetics but also health issues a lot of downward grown recessions of the mandible etc.
But that’s hand picked more commonly chin recession
 
Also a lot of filler patients I see can literally get insurance covered surgery not just for aesthetics but also health issues a lot of downward grown recessions of the mandible etc.
I'm not arguing against bimax, I'm arguing against implants and genio
 
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I'm not arguing against bimax, I'm arguing against implants and genio
Genio ascends crazy I agree on the filler on zygos part they overwhelmingly look better than 99.9 percent of zygo implants
 
Genio ascends crazy I agree on the filler on zygos part they overwhelmingly look better than 99.9 percent of zygo implants
Genio ascends crazy only if its vertical genio, that actually changed mentolabial angle
Normal genio produce the same results as fillers for 25x price (200x if we are comparing to diy chin filler)
 
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Filler makes men look more zesty imo
 
Genio ascends crazy only if its vertical genio, that actually changed mentolabial angle
Normal genio produce the same results as fillers for 25x price (200x if we are comparing to diy chin filler)
Normies wouldn’t have the balls to diy ngl but a small percentage would for sure thing is it adds up
 
ratings
peptides
surgeries
fillers being bad
makeup being gay
needing virgin girls
not putting effort into ur social life before u "ascend"
Ratings on here are mainly cope
 
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ratings
peptides
surgeries
fillers being bad
makeup being gay
needing virgin girls
not putting effort into ur social life before u "ascend"
Lefort surgeries are overrated. Not because they don't produce good results, but because of the damage they cause to the facial nerves.
 
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Lefort surgeries are overrated. Not because they don't produce good results, but because of the damage they cause to the facial nerves.
It’s cope if you don’t need it
 
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It’s cope if you don’t need it
I agree, I don't think it's worth it to increase the projection of the jaw a little; prostheses and implants may be sufficient and do not cause nerve damage.
 
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Fillers are cope. Just get muscle and get lean. Get Sexy hair and put lill bit make up.. Put some nice clothes on. Then u will mog. In reality most people dont even notice 2ml changes in jawline.
 
People don’t know how implants work and they normally get uncanny amount of mm and horrible material for their base like for example you can get 2mm zygo implant you’re going to look better but not by much but if you get like for example a bimax to go with it you’re definitely going to look better also depends how bad recession is
doesnt mean fillers dont mog implants
 

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