The blackpill is almost bullshit.

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Can’t donate or steal looks.

But you can buy them, with money.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

he grows up, gets bullied in school and shoved into lockers, stays an incel virgin all the way through college and then he suddenly gets rich

Only happens in movies
A loser in school is a loser for life usually

 

[Aladin]

But you can buy them, with money.

Looksmaxxing has limits, especially height and race.

 

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Only happens in movies
A loser in school is a loser for life usually

Not necessarily.

 

[ChimpBall]

Same with looks idiot.

How is it the same at all lol? Money doesn't make a girl sexually aroused, like looks do

 

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How is it the same at all lol? Money doesn't make a girl sexually aroused, like looks do

Yes it does.

 

[solpafanima]

dnr

 

[Klasik616]

I get it, your life will be worse because of your looks, people will treat you way worse than chad and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny. Take any ugly guy; he grows up, gets bullied in school and shoved into lockers, stays an incel virgin all the way through college and then he suddenly gets rich. He now instantly has a better lifestyle than chad and it’s not even close. He’s now 10x more attractive than everyone that ever treated him like shit.

Matter fact, most rich guys are sub5 ugly cunts, they can buy anything without looking at the pricetag, and women will swoon to him like a nigger to a piece of chicken.

You can DNRD me, say i’m coping but i’m right. Greed is a lot stronger than sexual desire. Any chad who is middle class gets his bitch stolen by Bill Gates (a short, bald, old and wrinkled guy) in a heartbeat.

I had a dream where somehow I got rich and I invited a bunch of friends to have a dinner because my house was so big and the next morning one foid and her friend wanted to come because I recently moved and both gave me a blowjob then we hanged around and bought food. Normal day of a rich young man, doing whatever he wants.

 

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I had a dream where somehow I got rich and I invited a bunch of friends to have a dinner because my house was so big and the next morning one foid and her friend wanted to come because I recently moved and both gave me a blowjob then we hanged around and bought food. Normal day of a rich young man, doing whatever he wants.

Brutal moneypill.

 

[Andremln]

This thread is so fucking retarded, "What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny." as if intelligence and personality weren't determined by your genes jfl, blackpill doesn't just mean your genes fucked up your looks, but also your personality and hormones, what fucking ambition will a truecel with low levels of testosterone and dopamine have?

And if you think rich guys got there legally you're wrong, most commit at least tax evasion, and crime as we know is not something someone with high inhibition will commit. not only that but usually most wealthy people escalated from their social circle, if you are an ugly guy with no social circle, who happens to be not neurotypical and also not even high class to start with, you can't escalate, there's nothing you can do aside from getting into college, but even then you will have to conform with a used up roastie

It all comes down to genes buddy boyo, over for your IQ btw

 

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This thread is so fucking retarded, "What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny." as if intelligence and personality weren't determined by your genes jfl, blackpill doesn't just mean your genes fucked up your looks, but also your personality and hormones, what fucking ambition will a truecel with low levels of testosterone and dopamine have?

IQ is 50/50, you can literally increase it by 30 points simply by reading…low IQ is mostly caused by low income and as a result they have bad lifestyles and typically don’t go to school or they don’t focus in school at all. Genetic potential only happens to be a small factor. Plus, we’re talking about the blackpill aka lookism, stay on topic you fucking moron.

And if you think rich guys got there legally you're wrong, most commit at least tax evasion,

You’re speculating, this is a substantial statement and not a fact. What you’re saying isn’t necessarily true.

and crime as we know is not something someone with high inhibition will commit. not only that but usually most wealthy people escalated from their social circle

But they didn’t primarily get rich from their social circle and even then, ugly people have loads of friends too. You guys are just incel losers who lack the ability to socialise. If you weren’t such an autistic runt, you’d have friends regardless of your looks. Stop coping.

if you are an ugly guy with no social circle, who happens to be not neurotypical and also not even high class to start with, you can't escalate, there's nothing you can do aside from getting into college, but even then you will have to conform with a used up roastie

So your point up until now has been you generalising all rich people to make yourself look like you’re right. “All rich people have friends! All rich people do crime!!” blah blah blah. Absolute fucking nonsense.

It all comes down to genes buddy boyo

Again, that’s only half true but ok.

, over for your IQ btw

…re-read your entire paragraph and tell me you are not the most cringe, retarded, brain rotted cretin ever. I am 10x smarter than you will ever be. You are below me you worthless parasite.

 

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dnr

You’re a greytard, why am i not surprised.

 

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This thread is so fucking retarded, "What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny." as if intelligence and personality weren't determined by your genes jfl, blackpill doesn't just mean your genes fucked up your looks, but also your personality and hormones, what fucking ambition will a truecel with low levels of testosterone and dopamine have?

And if you think rich guys got there legally you're wrong, most commit at least tax evasion, and crime as we know is not something someone with high inhibition will commit. not only that but usually most wealthy people escalated from their social circle, if you are an ugly guy with no social circle, who happens to be not neurotypical and also not even high class to start with, you can't escalate, there's nothing you can do aside from getting into college, but even then you will have to conform with a used up roastie

It all comes down to genes buddy boyo, over for your IQ btw

So, if you’re done muttering absolute nonsense about genetics, tell me, how do looks tie to money at all?

 

[Andremln]

IQ is 50/50, you can literally increase it by 30 points simply by reading…low IQ is mostly caused by low income and as a result they have bad lifestyles and typically don’t go to school or they don’t focus in school at all. Genetic potential only happens to be a small factor. Plus, we’re talking about the blackpill aka lookism, stay on topic you fucking moron.

You're fucking retarded, give me the study that says IQ is 50/50 Genetics/Enviorment, you can't cause you're a low IQ faggot, clearly reading didn't help you at all because it only helps with comprension skills and memory, not organic problem solving abilities that IQ grants you.

Im not even exaggerating you have the intelligence of a fucking insect, provide studies or don't even bother to try and argue, you can't cause you're a retard.

"You’re speculating, this is a substantial statement and not a fact. What you’re saying isn’t necessarily true."

Just because you say something doesn't make it a fact, provide studies and information about it, and by the way saying IQ is 50/50 Genetics/Enviorment is speculation itself so as i said, either provide the study that verifies your information or shut your ethnic mouth up.

 

[Lirevk]

Cope

 

[got.daim]

dnrd

 

[Andremln]

Im going to eviscerate your last braincells you ethnic fucking ape

Let's take a look into this study published by the great TJ Bouchard who happens to have won the 2005 Kistler award, a prize given to "recognize original contributions to the understanding of the connection between human heredity and human society", But i don't know, maybe you have more knowledge about psychology than him right? No you fucking don't you stupid shitskin.

To put it into simple terms for your simple brain, The variance in any quantitative trait (VP) is decomposed into three main components, genetic effects, shared enviornmental effects and non shared enviornmental effects.

The shared one refer to environmental factors shared by family members that make them similar like same upbringing or parental influence, while non shared ones refer to unique experiences that differ among family members leading to differences in certain traits.

Kinship correlations like those between twins provide insights into how genetics and enviornmental factors interact to shape phenotypic traits. Identic twins share 100% of their genetic material meaning any difference between them is caused by enviornmental factors, while fraternal twins just share 50% of their genetic material so differences reflect both genetic and enviornmental influences.

"G" is used to refer general intelligence, meaning it's a general cognitive factor that accounts for the correlations among various specific mental abilities (which you don't have), over the past two decades, there has been renewed recognition of the hierarchical structure of human cognitive abilities, with "g" at the apex, and some specific mental abilities like fluid reasoning and vocabulary are positively interrelated because they are influenced by underlying "first-order factors" that, in turn, are influenced by "g".

Despite growing up in different environments, monozygotic twins that were raised apart exhibit high correlations in IQ scores, correlation of it was around 0.78, and when raised together it was approximately 0.85.

When raised apart, dyzigotic teens had an IQ correlation of less than 0.55, and raised together, just 0.55.

You know what this implicates right? You probably fucking don't you fucking retard, but again, im simplifying it as much as i can so your ethnic brain can understand this

If shared environments were the dominant factor, the IQ correlations between MZ and DZ twins raised together would be similar. The disparity indicates that genetic factors are more important, removing shared environmental factors in Monozygotic twins does not drastically reduce similarity between their IQ scores. Dyzigotic twins on the other hand, show lower correlations in IQ compared to MZ twins, even when raised together.

Now not only this is important, but we need to take into account that the heritability of g increases as individuals age, In early childhood (ages 4–6), genetic factors account for about 40–50% of the variance in IQ, but, by adulthood, this increases to around 70–80% as showed here

As people grow older, they tend to shape and select environments that are aligned with their genetic predispositions, like choosing intellectually stimulating activities or careers, this means some genetic effects may only fully express themselves later in life as the brain matures, so, while shared environmental factors like family upbringing have an impact in early life, their effect fades with age, as we all know here, genetics dominate.

Shared enviornmental factors are more impactful during early childhood, but as i said, as we age, its contribution declines drastically

"In TAP (Texas Adoption Project) and CAP ( Colorado Adoption Project), researchers reported that estimates of the shared environmental influence (from .19 to .00) on adopted children in the families aged..."

As the adopted children grow older, they start to show their genetic predispositions, their cognitive abilities reflect their biological lineage rather than the shared family environment provided by their adoptive parents.


Now Let's talk about personality, your "ambition" that you think is built and not made from genetics

Abilities like verbal ability, spatial ability, perceptual speed, and memory show moderate to high heritability, and as we already know, shared environmental factors are more influential in youth but decline with age across all abilities for example, In verbal ability, shared environmental influence drops from 0.21 in young participants to 0.05 in adults, while non shared environment remains stable across all age groups, contributing about 20–30% of variance

Traits like Neuroticism, Extraversion, and Conscientiousness had moderate to high genetic components, and sub traits, such as anxiety, impulsiveness, or openness, align across models, reinforcing their heritable nature, so yes you're a non NT dog because of your fucked up genes,

"The best evidence for genetic influence on personality, as Darwin noted, is the successful domestication of animals."

Gosling and John demonstrated that the Big Five personality traits (Neuroticism, Extraversion, Conscientiousness, Agreeableness, and Openness) can be applied to animal studies, and guess what, selective breeding exists for a reason.

In an experiment by Cairns et al. (1983), researchers selectively bred mice for high and low aggression

"Within 10 generations, the most aggressive line of mice exhibited 10 times more aggressive acts (e.g., biting, attacking) compared to the least aggressive line."


Now when it comes to personality traits, anxiety is what most incels tend to have, so let's talk a deeper look into it

It's commonly measured using behavioral tests, stress responses, and physiological markers like cortisol levels or heart rate.

"In experiments by Kabbaj et al. (2000), researchers bred rats for high and low anxiety over multiple generations"

The anxiety levels were assessed using the elevated plus maze test, high anxiety rats avoided the open arms of it while the lower anxiety ones didn't give a fuck about it and even explored it, high T behavior.

The result after 5 generations was that high anxiety rats spent 30% less time in the open arms compared to the starting population, while low anxiety ones spent 40% more time in the open arms, not only that but high anxiety rats displayed on average higher cortisol levels and lower anxiety ones had 50% lower cortisol levels, you know what this means right you fucking retard? that hormones are fucking influenced by genetics, this study indicates literally a physiological difference between rats depending on their genes.

Aggression, anxiety, and boldness can be bred in or out of animal populations in just a few generations, demonstrating strong genetic control, for example boldness in guppies increased after selecting for individuals who approached predators more closely. Or the famous farm fox experiment showed that selecting for tameness in foxes led to significant personality changes in just a few generations, showing how strongly these traits are linked to genetic factors.

btw the farm fox experiment it's pretty interesting so if anyone wants to look into it here it is: https://courses.washington.edu/anmind/Trut on the Russian fox expt - Amer Sci 1999.pdf

Now, if you think you can refute this information, go ahead, but please USE STUDIES, give me data, numbers, statistics, don't take shit from your ethnic ass to say it's true, literally jfl at your ape tier IQ

 

[Andremln]

So, if you’re done muttering absolute nonsense about genetics, tell me, how do looks tie to money at all?

Looks don't fully tie to money, never stated it, but they play a role in dominance and assertiveness ergo you dominate your enviornment (High FWHR, Big frame, Tall, etc.)

An interesting fact is that psychopathic traits are related to a High FWHR and we know most psychopaths tend to be more financially successful than normies

"In particular, studies indicated that greater fWHRs are associated with socially undesirable personality characteristics and dominance-related behaviors, including being less trustworthy (Stirrat & Perrett, 2010), more self-centered and deceptive (Geniole, Keyes, Carré, & McCormick, 2014;, more psychopathic (Anderl et al., 2016) and more aggressive (Carré, McCormick, & Mondloch, 2009)".

And guess what, FWHR is genetic determined, you stupid fucking moron, again, jfl at your last 2 braincells

Personality traits are more important when it comes to money making but those are determined by genetics as i stated in the most recent post i made here which you won't be able to refute cause you're an insect tier IQ faggot who can't provide data.

 

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Looks don't fully tie to money, never stated it

Then what are you even arguing..?

but they play a role in dominance and assertiveness ergo you dominate your enviornment (High FWHR, Big frame, Tall, etc.)

Because looks tie to confidence, i can agree with that.

An interesting fact is that psychopathic

Hold on, you aren’t seriously trying to debate me on psychopathy, you have below sea level knowledge on the subject, don’t even try.

traits are related to a High FWHR and we know most psychopaths tend to be more financially successful than normies

Psychopathy isn’t related to appearance whatsoever, neither is narcissism (the personality). A simple google search will make you look even more like a moron.

"In particular, studies indicated that greater fWHRs are associated with socially undesirable personality characteristics and dominance-related behaviors, including being less trustworthy

Because once again, attractiveness in some cases can lead to arrogance and egotism, it has absolutely nothing to do with psychopathy and i’m intrigued to see why you even mentioned it in the first place.

(Stirrat & Perrett, 2010), more self-centered and deceptive (Geniole, Keyes, Carré, & McCormick, 2014;, more psychopathic (Anderl et al., 2016) and more aggressive (Carré, McCormick, & Mondloch, 2009)".

Where do any of those sources directly state that psychopathy ties to appearance? (Not saying that they don’t, simply asking, because no respected psychiatrist has ever stated such nonsense)

And guess what, FWHR is genetic determined, you stupid fucking moron, again, jfl at your last 2 braincells

????? Of course it is, but you still have yet to explain how this ties to psychopathy…

Personality traits are more important when it comes to money making but those are determined by genetics

By environment and mentality, it’s not just genetics and only genetics. Psychopathy is a combination of what i just mentioned.

as i stated in the most recent post i made here which you won't be able to refute cause you're an insect tier IQ faggot who can't provide data.

Jesus “refute refute refute refute refute, refute….refute” did you know that over use of specific words/phrases is a reliable sign of Autism?

 

[AustrianMogger]

I get it, your life will be worse because of your looks, people will treat you way worse than chad and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny. Take any ugly guy; he grows up, gets bullied in school and shoved into lockers, stays an incel virgin all the way through college and then he suddenly gets rich. He now instantly has a better lifestyle than chad and it’s not even close. He’s now 10x more attractive than everyone that ever treated him like shit.

Matter fact, most rich guys are sub5 ugly cunts, they can buy anything without looking at the pricetag, and women will swoon to him like a nigger to a piece of chicken.

You can DNRD me, say i’m coping but i’m right. Greed is a lot stronger than sexual desire. Any chad who is middle class gets his bitch stolen by Bill Gates (a short, bald, old and wrinkled guy) in a heartbeat.

idiot. THIS KNOWLEDGE EXISTS SINCE ETERNETY BUT YOU STILL QUESTION IT

 

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idiot. THIS KNOWLEDGE EXISTS SINCE ETERNETY BUT YOU STILL QUESTION IT

Bud, when did i ever deny the blackpill? I know you’re Austrian but read correctly.

 

[freshpeppermint]

I get it, your life will be worse because of your looks, people will treat you way worse than chad and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny. Take any ugly guy; he grows up, gets bullied in school and shoved into lockers, stays an incel virgin all the way through college and then he suddenly gets rich. He now instantly has a better lifestyle than chad and it’s not even close. He’s now 10x more attractive than everyone that ever treated him like shit.

Matter fact, most rich guys are sub5 ugly cunts, they can buy anything without looking at the pricetag, and women will swoon to him like a nigger to a piece of chicken.

You can DNRD me, say i’m coping but i’m right. Greed is a lot stronger than sexual desire. Any chad who is middle class gets his bitch stolen by Bill Gates (a short, bald, old and wrinkled guy) in a heartbeat.

You're comparing "chad" (Not even like the very small percentage of chads proportionally) with Bill Gates (How many guys are as rich as him?). What are the chances you or most people in this forum will even see a sliver of that wealth?

 

[Andremln]

Psychopathy isn’t related to appearance whatsoever, neither is narcissism (the personality). A simple google search will make you look even more like a moron.

Because once again, attractiveness in some cases can lead to arrogance and egotism, it has absolutely nothing to do with psychopathy and i’m intrigued to see why you even mentioned it in the first place.

Where do any of those sources directly state that psychopathy ties to appearance? (Not saying that they don’t, simply asking, because no respected psychiatrist has ever stated such nonsense)

????? Of course it is, but you still have yet to explain how this ties to psychopathy…

By environment and mentality, it’s not just genetics and only genetics. Psychopathy is a combination of what i just mentioned.

First of, most psychopaths have hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis dysregulation, meaning they often exhibit lower cortisol reactivity (Hypoactivity in the HPA axis), and as we know cortisol typically inhibits testosterone's effects, ergo lower cortisol = higher testosterone, and psychopaths are born, not made, meaning it starts in the womb, this is essential because it's when our facial structure is formed, since prenatal testosterone levels are lower due to psychopathy, more dimorphic traits will be shown, such as a higher FWHR.

now real talk cause i don't think using ad hominem is necessary now, im not trying to offend you or anything im genuinely trying to talk and if you like to ill keep it respectful real shit

Think of it like a domino effect, psychopathy is caused by genetics/biochemical imbalances, it's been proven it has a high hereditary factor, it lowers cortisol levels, so you get higher effects from your T levels in the womb, you get more dimorphic physical traits and darker triad psychological ones, im not explaining those to you since you probably know about them, and how people with them benefit financially from others by using sub traits that those have.

If you want the studies i can post them it's pretty interesting actually

So by taking into account this and that with selective breeding methods and studies to obtain individuals with certain personality traits, some very specific ones, we conclude that genetics play the biggest factor when it comes to personality

and to be fair i didn't include models because they don't really need to use their personality to get paid

 

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You're comparing "chad" (Not even like the very small percentage of chads proportionally) with Bill Gates (How many guys are as rich as him?). What are the chances you or most people in this forum will even see a sliver of that wealth?

What are the chances of anyone on this forum being chad? I compared two things that have almost the same chances of occurring.

 

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First of, most psychopaths have hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis dysregulation, meaning they often exhibit lower cortisol reactivity (Hypoactivity in the HPA axis), and as we know cortisol typically inhibits testosterone's effects

Testosterone ≠ attractiveness.

, and psychopaths are born, not made

Not true, it starts in the womb yes but if they’re nurtured correctly the chances of them developing such personality is low. Also F1 and F2 are not two different entities.

meaning it starts in the womb, this is essential because it's when our facial structure is formed, since prenatal testosterone levels are lower due to psychopathy, more dimorphic traits will be shown, such as a higher FWHR.

Even if this were true, they can still be ugly. Good bone structure isn’t the result of testosterone, rather inherited by your parents. And there really is no way of measuring the attractiveness of psychopaths, as we have nothing to go off of. They are a ridiculously low percent of the population, and they wouldn’t tell anyone if they even knew what they were, which is why the only known psychopaths are infamous criminals. So let’s take notorious serial killers for example, there really isn’t many attractive ones.

now real talk cause i don't think using ad hominem is necessary now, im not trying to offend you or anything im genuinely trying to talk and if you like to ill keep it respectful real shit

Yeah, this is a debate, insulting isn’t necessary.

Think of it like a domino effect, psychopathy is caused by genetics/biochemical imbalances, it's been proven it has a high hereditary factor,

Indeed, but we also have to take environment into consideration.

it lowers cortisol levels, so you get higher effects from your T levels in the womb, you get more dimorphic physical traits and darker triad psychological ones,

True, but this doesn’t really matter when we talk about looks, as bone structure is largely determined by genetics. Think of T levels as the cherry on top.

If you want the studies i can post them it's pretty interesting actually

I’m intrigued.

 

[Andremln]

Not true, it starts in the womb yes but if they’re nurtured correctly the chances of them developing such personality is low. Also F1 and F2 are not two different entities.

Yes it is true, im citing the study i posted first here

"In early childhood, shared environmental factors such as parenting style, family socioeconomic status, and access to education contribute significantly to IQ and Personality traits, accounting for about 30–40% of the variance. However, by adolescence and adulthood, the influence of the shared environment diminishes to near 0%, This decline means that factors such as family background no longer play a significant role in explaining individual differences in IQ and Personality."

Not only that but take into account that the Warrior gene MAOA-L (monoamine oxidase A low-activity) variant is linked to psychopathy and related traits like aggression, impulsivity, and antisocial behavior.

The base MAOA gene encodes the enzyme monoamine oxidase A, which breaks down neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin in the brain, when the variant is there, it results in reduced activity of this enzyme, leading to higher levels of these neurotransmitters, and dysregulation of those has been implicated in impulsivity, aggression, and emotional dysregulation.

Testosterone ≠ attractiveness.

I agree, ogres are usually not attractive, but always respected, when it comes to crime related business they're on top because of that

 

[Andremln]

So let’s take notorious serial killers for example, there really isn’t many attractive ones.

Most psychopaths don't get involved in killing, rather in financial crimes like bank fraud, insurance fraud, money laundering, tax evasion, etc.

But even then i never stated psychopaths were attractive, or that high T people were attractive, just that there's a relation between them and personality and this helps them to get a higher income, because of psychological traits linked with psychopathy which is genetic and highly hereditary

 

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Yes it is true, im citing the study i posted first here

"In early childhood, shared environmental factors such as parenting style, family socioeconomic status, and access to education contribute significantly to IQ and Personality traits

Which is exactly what i said, i agree.

, accounting for about 30–40% of the variance. However, by adolescence and adulthood, the influence of the shared environment diminishes to near 0%, This decline means that factors such as family background no longer play a significant role in explaining individual differences in IQ and Personality."

Although it is true that shared environmental influences tend to decline in impact as individuals age, this does not mean their effects are entirely erased. For example, early childhood environments shape cognitive and emotional development in lasting ways.

Not only that but take into account that the Warrior gene MAOA-L (monoamine oxidase A low-activity) variant is linked to psychopathy and related traits like aggression, impulsivity, and antisocial behavior.

While the MAOA-L variant and shared environmental factors have been associated with certain traits, they do not determine behavior or personality outcomes alone. Traits like aggression and impulsivity arise from the interaction between genetic predispositions, environmental factors, and personal experiences.

The base MAOA gene encodes the enzyme monoamine oxidase A, which breaks down neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin in the brain, when the variant is there, it results in reduced activity of this enzyme, leading to higher levels of these neurotransmitters, and dysregulation of those has been implicated in impulsivity, aggression, and emotional dysregulation.

There are many studies that show that even individuals with the MAOA-L variant often do not exhibit antisocial or aggressive behavior unless they experience specific adverse environmental conditions, such as childhood abuse or trauma (gene-environment interaction).

 

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Yes it is true, im citing the study i posted first here

"In early childhood, shared environmental factors such as parenting style, family socioeconomic status, and access to education contribute significantly to IQ and Personality traits, accounting for about 30–40% of the variance. However, by adolescence and adulthood, the influence of the shared environment diminishes to near 0%, This decline means that factors such as family background no longer play a significant role in explaining individual differences in IQ and Personality."

Not only that but take into account that the Warrior gene MAOA-L (monoamine oxidase A low-activity) variant is linked to psychopathy and related traits like aggression, impulsivity, and antisocial behavior.

The base MAOA gene encodes the enzyme monoamine oxidase A, which breaks down neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin in the brain, when the variant is there, it results in reduced activity of this enzyme, leading to higher levels of these neurotransmitters, and dysregulation of those has been implicated in impulsivity, aggression, and emotional dysregulation.


I agree, ogres are usually not attractive, but always respected, when it comes to crime related business they're on top because of that

The MAOA gene is just one of many genes that may influence behavior, and the interaction between multiple genes and environmental factors adds complexity. Behavioral traits are polygenic, meaning many genes contribute small effects rather than one gene having a deterministic role.

 

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Most psychopaths don't get involved in killing, rather in financial crimes like bank fraud, insurance fraud, money laundering, tax evasion, etc.

Yeah, which is why i originally stated “criminals” instead of serial killers specifically, but mostly all serial killers are psychopathic, which is why i used them as an example.

But even then i never stated psychopaths were attractive, or that high T people were attractive, just that there's a relation between them and personality and this helps them to get a higher income, because of psychological traits linked with psychopathy which is genetic and highly hereditary

I agree, but just because said individuals may be more successful due to their personality, this doesn’t mean all of them are, or that all successful people are psychopaths.

 

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Yes it is true, im citing the study i posted first here

"In early childhood, shared environmental factors such as parenting style, family socioeconomic status, and access to education contribute significantly to IQ and Personality traits, accounting for about 30–40% of the variance. However, by adolescence and adulthood, the influence of the shared environment diminishes to near 0%, This decline means that factors such as family background no longer play a significant role in explaining individual differences in IQ and Personality."

Not only that but take into account that the Warrior gene MAOA-L (monoamine oxidase A low-activity) variant is linked to psychopathy and related traits like aggression, impulsivity, and antisocial behavior.

The base MAOA gene encodes the enzyme monoamine oxidase A, which breaks down neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin in the brain, when the variant is there, it results in reduced activity of this enzyme, leading to higher levels of these neurotransmitters, and dysregulation of those has been implicated in impulsivity, aggression, and emotional dysregulation.


I agree, ogres are usually not attractive, but always respected, when it comes to crime related business they're on top because of that

And lastly, i’d like to point out that current research on these associations is still evolving and cannot provide conclusive evidence.

 

[Andremln]

Although it is true that shared environmental influences tend to decline in impact as individuals age, this does not mean their effects are entirely erased. For example, early childhood environments shape cognitive and emotional development in lasting ways.

Research on male adolescent offenders over a six-month period showed moderate to high stability in psychopathic traits, indicating that these characteristics are persistent even in developmental stages, not only that but as i said, psychopathy is highly heritable (with heritability estimates exceeding 60%). These traits often emerge early in childhood and are stable across the lifespan, even with environmental interventions (Viding et al., 2005; Larsson et al., 2006), and while environmental factors may influence the expression of psychopathic traits, they can't override genetic predispositions

Viding et al. (2005): Found strong genetic contributions to callous-unemotional traits in a twin study of children aged 7–9, emphasizing that these traits are resistant to environmental influences.
And i agree, while no single gene determines psychopathy, the MAOA-L gene is a well researched contributor to aggression and emotional dysregulation, the interaction argument often oversimplifies the role of environment, individuals with the MAOA-L variant often exhibit aggressive and antisocial behavior even in relatively stable environments, the presence of severe childhood adversity can amplify these behaviors, but its absence does not erase the genetic predisposition (Caspi et al. (2002) - "Role of Genotype in the Cycle of Violence in Maltreated Children")

Moreover, psychopathy IS polygenic, meaning multiple genes collectively influence behavior, these genetic factors create a strong baseline predisposition that is only modestly modifiable through environmental influences "Viding et al. (2005) - "Evidence for Substantial Genetic Risk for Psychopathy in 7-Year-Olds"
Now when looking at the interactions between enviornment and genes, core traits like lack of empathy, remorse, and emotional detachment are far less influenced by environmental factors than traits such as aggression or impulsivity. Brain imaging studies consistently show structural abnormalities in the amygdala and prefrontal cortex of individuals with psychopathy, contributing to their emotional detachment. These structural differences are strictly tied to genetics and are resistant to environmental change
"Glenn et al. (2009)"

Also, The polygenic argument does not refute the stability of psychopathy or other Dark Triad Traits/Disorders, if anything it reinforces the idea that the accumulation of small genetic effects creates a strong predisposition that is highly resistant to change, traits governed by multiple genes are often harder to "cure" or significantly alter because the biological framework is distributed across many genetic pathways, environmental interventions typically target specific behaviors or symptoms but fail to address the underlying polygenic basis

 

[Andremln]

And lastly, i’d like to point out that current research on these associations is still evolving and cannot provide conclusive evidence.

I highly agree on this, but we can only make conclusions with the avaiable information, i just base my thinking on what i have on the table at the moment

 

[Avertion]

Research on male adolescent offenders over a six-month period showed moderate to high stability in psychopathic traits, indicating that these characteristics are persistent even in developmental stages, not only that but as i said, psychopathy is highly heritable (with heritability estimates exceeding 60%). These traits often emerge early in childhood and are stable across the lifespan, even with environmental interventions (Viding et al., 2005; Larsson et al., 2006), and while environmental factors may influence the expression of psychopathic traits, they can't override genetic predispositions

While studies suggest moderate to high stability in psychopathic traits during adolescence, research also indicates that these traits are not fixed and can diminish with age or intervention. For example, traits like impulsivity and antisocial behavior tend to decline in adulthood (the "maturity principle").

Viding et al. (2005): Found strong genetic contributions to callous-unemotional traits in a twin study of children aged 7–9, emphasizing that these traits are resistant to environmental influences.
And i agree, while no single gene determines psychopathy, the MAOA-L gene is a well researched contributor to aggression and emotional dysregulation, the interaction argument often oversimplifies the role of environment, individuals with the MAOA-L variant often exhibit aggressive and antisocial behavior even in relatively stable environments, the presence of severe childhood adversity can amplify these behaviors, but its absence does not erase the genetic predisposition (Caspi et al. (2002) - "Role of Genotype in the Cycle of Violence in Maltreated Children")

While Viding et al found strong genetic contributions to callous-unemotional traits in children, their study did not claim that these traits are entirely immune to environmental influence. Other research has shown that CU traits can be moderated by positive parenting and structured interventions.

Evidence: Studies (e.g., Waller et al., 2015) demonstrate that warm, responsive parenting reduces CU traits in children, even in those with high genetic risk.

Again, while the MAOA-L variant is associated with increased risk for aggression and emotional dysregulation, it is not deterministic.

Caspi et al. (2002) themselves highlighted that severe childhood adversity is necessary for the gene's effects on aggression to manifest. In stable environments, the association between MAOA-L and aggression weakens significantly.

Moreover, psychopathy IS polygenic, meaning multiple genes collectively influence behavior, these genetic factors create a strong baseline predisposition that is only modestly modifiable through environmental influences "Viding et al. (2005) - "Evidence for Substantial Genetic Risk for Psychopathy in 7-Year-Olds"
Now when looking at the interactions between enviornment and genes, core traits like lack of empathy, remorse, and emotional detachment are far less influenced by environmental factors than traits such as aggression or impulsivity. Brain imaging studies consistently show structural abnormalities in the amygdala and prefrontal cortex of individuals with psychopathy, contributing to their emotional detachment. These structural differences are strictly tied to genetics and are resistant to environmental change
"Glenn et al. (2009)"

Also, The polygenic argument does not refute the stability of psychopathy or other Dark Triad Traits/Disorders, if anything it reinforces the idea that the accumulation of small genetic effects creates a strong predisposition that is highly resistant to change, traits governed by multiple genes are often harder to "cure" or significantly alter because the biological framework is distributed across many genetic pathways, environmental interventions typically target specific behaviors or symptoms but fail to address the underlying polygenic basis

While it is true that psychopathy is influenced by multiple genes and that certain traits like emotional detachment and lack of empathy may be more resistant to change, it is incorrect to conclude that these traits are entirely immutable or unaffected by the environment. The polygenic nature of psychopathy creates complexity, but it does not render these traits immune to intervention.

Research on neuroplasticity demonstrates that the brain retains its capacity to adapt, particularly during childhood and adolescence. Even structural differences in the amygdala and prefrontal cortex, as noted by Glenn et al. (2009), can be influenced by therapeutic interventions and environmental enrichment. For example, studies on warm, responsive parenting and empathy training have shown measurable improvements in emotional and social functioning, even in individuals with high CU traits.

Furthermore, the stability of psychopathic traits over time reflects consistency in certain environments, not an inherent inability to change. Interventions that target the specific emotional and behavioral deficits of psychopathy—such as teaching emotional recognition or empathy—have shown promise in reducing these traits.

Rather than viewing psychopathy as an immutable condition governed by polygenic pathways, we should focus on the dynamic interplay between genes and environment, emphasizing the potential for targeted interventions to promote meaningful change.

You better not DNRD me.

 

[Andremln]

While studies suggest moderate to high stability in psychopathic traits during adolescence, research also indicates that these traits are not fixed and can diminish with age or intervention. For example, traits like impulsivity and antisocial behavior tend to decline in adulthood (the "maturity principle").

While Viding et al found strong genetic contributions to callous-unemotional traits in children, their study did not claim that these traits are entirely immune to environmental influence. Other research has shown that CU traits can be moderated by positive parenting and structured interventions.

Evidence: Studies (e.g., Waller et al., 2015) demonstrate that warm, responsive parenting reduces CU traits in children, even in those with high genetic risk.

Again, while the MAOA-L variant is associated with increased risk for aggression and emotional dysregulation, it is not deterministic.

Caspi et al. (2002) themselves highlighted that severe childhood adversity is necessary for the gene's effects on aggression to manifest. In stable environments, the association between MAOA-L and aggression weakens significantly.

While it is true that psychopathy is influenced by multiple genes and that certain traits like emotional detachment and lack of empathy may be more resistant to change, it is incorrect to conclude that these traits are entirely immutable or unaffected by the environment. The polygenic nature of psychopathy creates complexity, but it does not render these traits immune to intervention.

Research on neuroplasticity demonstrates that the brain retains its capacity to adapt, particularly during childhood and adolescence. Even structural differences in the amygdala and prefrontal cortex, as noted by Glenn et al. (2009), can be influenced by therapeutic interventions and environmental enrichment. For example, studies on warm, responsive parenting and empathy training have shown measurable improvements in emotional and social functioning, even in individuals with high CU traits.

Furthermore, the stability of psychopathic traits over time reflects consistency in certain environments, not an inherent inability to change. Interventions that target the specific emotional and behavioral deficits of psychopathy—such as teaching emotional recognition or empathy—have shown promise in reducing these traits.

Rather than viewing psychopathy as an immutable condition governed by polygenic pathways, we should focus on the dynamic interplay between genes and environment, emphasizing the potential for targeted interventions to promote meaningful change.

You better not DNRD me.

Im reading it tomorrow don't worry, i was sleeping and i just went to take a piss jfl

 

[Andremln]

While studies suggest moderate to high stability in psychopathic traits during adolescence, research also indicates that these traits are not fixed and can diminish with age or intervention. For example, traits like impulsivity and antisocial behavior tend to decline in adulthood (the "maturity principle").

Yes, the "maturity principle" refers to a decline in impulsivity and antisocial behaviors, which are components of psychopathy but not its core affective traits like lack of empathy, callousness and manipulativeness, research consistently shows that the affective and interpersonal traits of psychopathy, the ones central to the condition, it's literal base and not subtraits, remain stable over time.

Blonigen et al. (2008): Found that while some behavioral aspects of psychopathy, such as impulsivity, may decline in adulthood, affective and interpersonal traits remain stable, suggesting a high degree of genetic and neurobiological determination.

While Viding et al found strong genetic contributions to callous-unemotional traits in children, their study did not claim that these traits are entirely immune to environmental influence. Other research has shown that CU traits can be moderated by positive parenting and structured interventions.

While Waller et al. (2015) demonstrated that good parenting can reduce CU traits in some children, these findings are limited in scope and don't really hold that much ground, the study primarily focused on children with early emerging traits, not those with fully developed psychopathy. Once psychopathic traits solidify, particularly during adolescence (because again, as we age, our core genetic traits will start to show even more), they become far more resistant to change.

Most interventions showing success involve milder cases of CU traits and fail to produce significant changes in children with strong genetic predispositions and more severe manifestations

Hawes et al. (2011): Found that while positive parenting strategies can reduce some externalizing behaviors, their impact on core psychopathic traits, such as CU traits, is limited.

Frick et al. (2014): Highlighted that severe CU traits are less responsive to interventions, even with supportive environments.

Again, while the MAOA-L variant is associated with increased risk for aggression and emotional dysregulation, it is not deterministic.

Caspi et al. (2002) themselves highlighted that severe childhood adversity is necessary for the gene's effects on aggression to manifest. In stable environments, the association between MAOA-L and aggression weakens significantly.

Caspi et al. (2002) did show that severe childhood adversity amplifies the effects of the MAOA-L variant, however, this doesn't really negate the genetic predisposition, individuals with the MAOA-L variant still display higher baseline aggression and emotional dysregulation, even in low adversity environments meaning that the risk is attenuated or lowered, not erased, never fully erased, it's a gene.

The interaction effect indicates that the gene/environment interaction amplifies genetic risk, but the genetic foundation remains regardless of environmental conditions

Kim-Cohen et al. (2006): Reinforced that the MAOA-L variant predisposes individuals to aggressive behaviors even in relatively stable environments, albeit to a lesser extent than in adverse environments.

While it is true that psychopathy is influenced by multiple genes and that certain traits like emotional detachment and lack of empathy may be more resistant to change, it is incorrect to conclude that these traits are entirely immutable or unaffected by the environment. The polygenic nature of psychopathy creates complexity, but it does not render these traits immune to intervention.

Research on neuroplasticity demonstrates that the brain retains its capacity to adapt, particularly during childhood and adolescence. Even structural differences in the amygdala and prefrontal cortex, as noted by Glenn et al. (2009), can be influenced by therapeutic interventions and environmental enrichment. For example, studies on warm, responsive parenting and empathy training have shown measurable improvements in emotional and social functioning, even in individuals with high CU traits.

While neuroplasticity exists, its potential to fundamentally alter psychopathic brain structures is overstated, neuroplasticity is most effective in early childhood or in individuals without severe structural abnormalities, psychopathy, however, is marked by entrenched neurological deficits that are resistant to environmental modifications.

- Amygdala dysfunction in psychopathy results in impaired emotional processing, and studies show that these abnormalities persist despite therapy.
- Interventions targeting empathy or emotional recognition have shown limited success in individuals with elevated psychopathic traits.

Gregory et al. (2012): Showed that psychopathy is associated with reduced connectivity between the prefrontal cortex and amygdala, which contributes to emotional detachment. These structural abnormalities were stable and resistant to therapeutic interventions.

Weidacker et al. (2017): Highlighted the limited role of neuroplasticity in reversing psychopathy-related neurological deficits.

Furthermore, the stability of psychopathic traits over time reflects consistency in certain environments, not an inherent inability to change. Interventions that target the specific emotional and behavioral deficits of psychopathy—such as teaching emotional recognition or empathy—have shown promise in reducing these traits.

Rather than viewing psychopathy as an immutable condition governed by polygenic pathways, we should focus on the dynamic interplay between genes and environment, emphasizing the potential for targeted interventions to promote meaningful change.

Bro i caged at "we should focus on the dynamic interplay", i use chatgpt often too and it is a very reliable tool, nothing wrong with that, but don't copy paste the full paragraph bru come on i feel like i have to debate a robot, interpret the information you're writing and talk with the insight

well anyways, this claim misrepresents findings on the stability of psychopathy, see, as i've stated multiple times with really reliable data, longitudinal studies consistently show that the genetic influence on psychopathy increases with age, while shared environmental influences diminish, this means that stability arises not from consistent environments but from the entrenchment of genetic predispositions.

Forsman et al. (2008): Found that genetic factors accounted for increasing stability in psychopathic traits over time, while environmental influences waned.

Have you ever seen The Sopranos? this study will fascinate you (iykyk): Harris & Rice (2006): Reviewed intervention programs for psychopathy and found that most failed to reduce core traits, with some even increasing manipulative behaviors https://gwern.net/doc/psychology/personality/psychopathy/2006-harris.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

[Andremln]

If you write more ill read tonight (here's 7 AM), im going to be working the whole day and ill be back in my house kind of late, anyways have a good day broski

 

[lepo2317]

What matters is ambition and intelligence

Your ambition is writing 2k posts in 2 months on incel forum while being dumb as fuck idiot giving bs examples like ugly guy who was bullied and then became rich. I bet you think that you have ambitions and that you are inteligent

 

[zemult]

This thread is so fucking retarded, "What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny." as if intelligence and personality weren't determined by your genes jfl, blackpill doesn't just mean your genes fucked up your looks, but also your personality and hormones, what fucking ambition will a truecel with low levels of testosterone and dopamine have?

And if you think rich guys got there legally you're wrong, most commit at least tax evasion, and crime as we know is not something someone with high inhibition will commit. not only that but usually most wealthy people escalated from their social circle, if you are an ugly guy with no social circle, who happens to be not neurotypical and also not even high class to start with, you can't escalate, there's nothing you can do aside from getting into college, but even then you will have to conform with a used up roastie

It all comes down to genes buddy boyo, over for your IQ btw

High IQ, environment only really matters in early adolescence, and it's still mostly your genes. In my early adolescence I was bullied (hence why I am currently an incel, and it was mostly due to my poor genetics). However I escaped online and built a business during my early adolescence which earns me good passive income still to this day. I'm not sure if I would have been nearly as successful if I didn't learn at the perfect time

I think neurotypicality is overrated (in the context of dating only), the ugly guy in this example would be fucked regardless. Neurotypicality only benefits heavily when you're atleast MTN+ (averageness pill).

 

[Andremln]

High IQ, environment only really matters in early adolescence, and it's still mostly your genes. In my early adolescence I was bullied (hence why I am currently an incel, and it was mostly due to my poor genetics). However I escaped online and built a business during my early adolescence which earns me good passive income still to this day. I'm not sure if I would have been nearly as successful if I didn't learn at the perfect time

I think neurotypicality is overrated (in the context of dating only), the ugly guy in this example would be fucked regardless. Neurotypicality only benefits heavily when you're atleast MTN+ (averageness pill).

read the rest of the thread we have actually talked a lot of interesting things if you like psychology and genetics, we are kind of "debating" but i know i won tbh

 

[AustrianMogger]

I get it, your life will be worse because of your looks, people will treat you way worse than chad and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny. Take any ugly guy; he grows up, gets bullied in school and shoved into lockers, stays an incel virgin all the way through college and then he suddenly gets rich. He now instantly has a better lifestyle than chad and it’s not even close. He’s now 10x more attractive than everyone that ever treated him like shit.

Matter fact, most rich guys are sub5 ugly cunts, they can buy anything without looking at the pricetag, and women will swoon to him like a nigger to a piece of chicken.

You can DNRD me, say i’m coping but i’m right. Greed is a lot stronger than sexual desire. Any chad who is middle class gets his bitch stolen by Bill Gates (a short, bald, old and wrinkled guy) in a heartbeat.

this is still stupid

 

[zemult]

read the rest of the thread we have actually talked a lot of interesting things if you like psychology and genetics, we are kind of "debating" but i know i won tbh

Yeah I already did, very interesting stuff. The FWHR stuff is funny because I have high FWHR and I do tend to get aggressive at times, but I'm still an incel posting on incel forums.

 

[Andremln]

Yeah I already did, very interesting stuff. The FWHR stuff is funny because I have high FWHR and I do tend to get aggressive at times, but I'm still an incel posting on incel forums.

A lot of ogres on the forum, high prenatal T levels are linked to autism, it is what it is

 

[zemult]

A lot of ogres on the forum, high prenatal T levels are linked to autism, it is what it is

I don't think I'm even autistic, the connections I've made throughout my life don't make enough sense for that. It's high inhibition mixed with bad facial aesthetics really.

 

[Andremln]

I don't think I'm even autistic, the connections I've made throughout my life don't make enough sense for that. It's high inhibition mixed with bad facial aesthetics really.

Low trust facial traits?

 

[zemult]

Low trust facial traits?

Low trust cutecel, somehow. No bones combined with masculine eye area.

 

[Andremln]

Low trust cutecel, somehow. No bones combined with masculine eye area.

Dense eyebrows and fat hooding right? PCT or NCT?

 

[我需要阴部]

I get it, your life will be worse because of your looks, people will treat you way worse than chad and blah blah blah. But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

What matters is ambition and intelligence, it creates potential, determines your destiny. Take any ugly guy; he grows up, gets bullied in school and shoved into lockers, stays an incel virgin all the way through college and then he suddenly gets rich. He now instantly has a better lifestyle than chad and it’s not even close. He’s now 10x more attractive than everyone that ever treated him like shit.

Matter fact, most rich guys are sub5 ugly cunts, they can buy anything without looking at the pricetag, and women will swoon to him like a nigger to a piece of chicken.

You can DNRD me, say i’m coping but i’m right. Greed is a lot stronger than sexual desire. Any chad who is middle class gets his bitch stolen by Bill Gates (a short, bald, old and wrinkled guy) in a heartbeat.

I think the black pill is 70% true

 

[zemult]

Dense eyebrows and fat hooding right? PCT or NCT?

PCT, positive eyebrow tilt (probably too tilted), compact eye shape with downward pointing medial canthus, dense and long eyebrows, dark blue color.

The fat hooding is alright, there's some UEE, almost just enough to not be a falio. If I take a picture at an extremely downward angle and tilt my head up, the UEE becomes a problem.

Would harmonize well if my bigonial width wasn't tiny at 83%, and my mouth to nose ratio was ideal.

 

[Andremln]

PCT, positive eyebrow tilt (probably too tilted), compact eye shape with downward pointing medial canthus, dense and long eyebrows, dark blue color.

The fat hooding is alright, there's some UEE, almost just enough to not be a falio. If I take a picture at an extremely downward angle and tilt my head up, the UEE becomes a problem.

Would harmonize well if my bigonial width wasn't tiny at 83%, and my mouth to nose ratio was ideal.

You're diamond face shaped? I am but my bigonial isn't that tiny, i haven't measured it though but my fwhr is of around 2.1 jfl, even at 20% bodyfat i have hollow cheeks

If you have a cutecel skull combined with dark triad features idk how would i go about it, probably implants? maybe leanmaxxing a lot to define bone structure and basic prettyboymaxxing stuff like skincare and getting a good diet to look healthy, maybe you could even go down to the exotic looking path but im not knowledgeable on it and tbh i never heard of a cutecel with dark triad features, sounds interesting though