The case for Anti Natalism - Discussion

[AbnormalAfrican]

Purpose of this thread

I was going through my PDFs where I had stumbled across my old file. The file was named "We Are Creatures That Should Not Exist’: The Theory of Anti-Natalism". I had than reread that thingy and I had wanted to write about it and write about my thoughts and see you guys thoughts on it.

Quick and Dirty introduction to the Anti Natalism

Note just a heads up this is not a product of my own work but the work of David Benatar. He spends the beginning yapping about how he doesn't want Anti Natalism to be associated with Rust Cohle character. Nether the less he defines Anti Natalism as such

"Anti-natalism is the view that we ought to desist from procreating – that it is wrong to have children."

His defenses of his position

This part will be completely filled with quotes so I won't be commenting much, honestly I have no idea where I found this. I'll be picking what I find interesting.

"even if one thought that the best of human lives were good (enough), to procreate is to inflict, on the being you create, unacceptable risks of grotesque suffering, even if that occurs at the end of life. For example, 40% of men and 37% of women in Britain develop cancer at some point. Those are just terrible odds. To inflict them on another person by bringing him into existence is reckless"

Note this is his third argument he makes. He then goes on to talk about rust some more. I'll leave you with one more quote, it beats the hell out of me where I found this. That's not the quote btw.

"It is important to note that anti-natalism, while favouring human extinction, is a view about a particular means to extinction – namely non-procreation. Anti-natalists are not committed to either suicide or “speciecide" "

Ok thanks for reading I'm tired now goodbye​

 

[armemann]

Benatar was right

 

[incomplete]

faggotry

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

faggotry

What ?

 

[hopecel]

anti-natalists are pussies

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

anti-natalists are pussies

If you say so but what does this have to do with anything written ?

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Idk how to feel about anti natalism

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

Idk how to feel about anti natalism

Same here aswell, I'm pretty agnostic on the whole thing.

 

[hopecel]

If you say so but what does this have to do with anything written ?

that's my opinion

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

that's my opinion

It's dumb opinion that has nothing to do with the thread or his points.

 

[shortcurry375]

Does cancer make ur entire life not worth living? If someone lives for 80 years, and the last five are plagued with health issues, then does that mean it would’ve been nicer to have not been born? I don’t think so. Especially nowadays with our access to medicine that can dull pain and reduce suffering.

I feel like most antinatalists have had horrible lives and experienced suffering and diseases, and assume that everyone’s experience is like that. There are tons of people that enjoy life. I don’t think non existence is preferable to a life with a few bad moments.

Obviously anti natalism is impractical and will never happen. People will always have children. But I do think the part about reducing suffering is important. A lot of people have kids that they don’t know how to raise, or way more kids than they can handle. I feel like people should try to put as much effort into raising their children and giving them the highest quality of life rather than having kids recklessly and neglecting them