The clever way islam gets around the problem of evil

[wishIwasSalludon]

Apparently according to islam before we were born Allah showed us our life and asked "you sure this is the one you want" and we said yes

thus the problem of evil no longer makes sense since we asked to be put here.

this doesnt really make sense to me tbh

"hey you sure u want to be incarnated as a starving african child and not a 6'5 8psl north atlantid demi-god"

"sure"

a few moments later:

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

@Gengar @recai iskender @Xangsane @Manchild_v2

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

@cromagnon @ey88 @Jonas2k7

 

[Manchild_v2]

Allah knows all

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Allah knows all

Hi

Could you please tell Allah to turn me into a 6’8 psl god?

Thank you very much

 

[Serial Coomer]

cos it's gigacope, also mohammed (pbuh) is a faggot tranny

 

[cromagnon]

jfl caged hard at this

 

[Jonas2k7]

Apparently according to islam before we were born Allah showed us our life and asked "you sure this is the one you want" and we said yes

thus the problem of evil no longer makes sense since we asked to be put here.

this doesnt really make sense to me tbh

"hey you sure u want to be incarnated as a starving african child and not a 6'5 8psl north atlantid demi-god"
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"sure"
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a few moments later:

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maybe (theoretically speaking) we saw how we would succeed and get into paradise

that could be a part of it

@shia.jihadist ?

 

[shia.jihadist]

maybe (theoretically speaking) we saw how we would succeed and get into paradise

that could be a part of it

@shia.jihadist ?

this thread is tales lol

the way we "get around the problem of evil" is that everyone is here to be tested and we are tested by this "evil"

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

maybe (theoretically speaking) we saw how we would succeed and get into paradise

that could be a part of it

@shia.jihadist ?

black Africans are usually christian

So even if the kid makes it adulthood they’d still end up in hell

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

this thread is tales lol

the way we "get around the problem of evil" is that everyone is here to be tested and we are tested by this "evil"

That makes even less sense than what’s in the OP

 

[shia.jihadist]

That makes even less sense than what’s in the OP

how

 

[Jonas2k7]

this thread is tales lol

the way we "get around the problem of evil" is that everyone is here to be tested and we are tested by this "evil"

I don't get it

black Africans are usually christian

So even if the kid makes it adulthood they’d still end up in hell

iirc in islam anyone can get into paradise aslong as they are a believer and regret their sins
not sure about christianity (didnt grow up christian)

 

[shia.jihadist]

I don't get it

iirc in islam anyone can get into paradise aslong as they are a believer and regret their sins
not sure about christianity (didnt grow up christian)

the problem of evil is that if god exists why do bad things happen

they happen because the whole point is that we are being tested on our faith is the face of bad things happening

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

how

firstly many people don’t even make it to the “test” they just die as an infant

Secondly the tests aren’t equal

Chads test:

Your test:

 

[shia.jihadist]

firstly many people don’t even make it to the “test” they just die as an infant

okay they get heaven for free good for them

Chads test:
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Your test:
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yeah jfl then the chad gets into a car accident and loses both of his legs while you still walk around on two feet

muh all tests arent equal as if you are omnipresent watching every niggas life

 

[Jonas2k7]

firstly many people don’t even make it to the “test” they just die as an infant

Secondly the tests aren’t equal

Chads test:
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Your test:
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wait thats legit maybe thoughts shia.jihadist?

I mean like whats the purpose if setting you up on this world just for you not being able to do the test either way

or is it like a necessity for other people to do the test because obviously without babies being able to die this reality wouldnt make sense. is it understandable what I'm trying to say?

the problem of evil is that if god exists why do bad things happen

they happen because the whole point is that we are being tested on our faith is the face of bad things happening

Yes, evil = test

 

[shia.jihadist]

I mean like whats the purpose if setting you up on this world just for you not being able to do the test either way

the baby dying is a test for the parent

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

okay they get heaven for free good for them

That shows that Allah isn’t fair then

Why do some people get into heaven free?

there are many stories of God revealing himself to people

If God revealed him self to me id 100% become Muslim in an instant

And yet he doesn’t, it seems God plays favorites

 

[shia.jihadist]

That shows that Allah isn’t fair then

Why do some people get into heaven free?

there are many stories of God revealing himself to people

If God revealed him self to me id 100% become Muslim in an instant

And yet he doesn’t, it seems God plays favorites

how the fuck does god reveal himself to people

this isnt christianity

just spawn in a mans body theory

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

how the fuck does god reveal himself to people

this isnt christianity

just spawn in a mans body theory

did God not reveal himself to Muhammad?

when I say reveal I dont mean literally show himself as in what he looks like but make his presence known

obviously

 

[shia.jihadist]

did God not reveal himself to Muhammad?

when I say reveal I dont mean literally show himself as in what he looks like but make his presence known

obviously

yeah he sends revelations to prophet and their whole point is to guide us what are you even trying to say

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

what are you even trying to say

your iq is too low for this conversation

the problem is it shows God plays favorites

if God were truly just hed give everyone an equal shot at making it to heaven

and yet he doesnt

he plays favorites

he creates people that are literally fated to go to hell

how the fuck uncontacted tribes suppose to get to heaven?

 

[shia.jihadist]

he creates people that are literally fated to go to hell

how the fuck uncontacted tribes suppose to get to heaven?

no one is fated to go to hell we literally control our actions

if someone dies without hearing about islam they dont go to hell lol this is a mainstream islamic belief

muh too low iq when you dont know anything about the religion you're trying to debate
just stick to r/atheism

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

if someone dies without hearing about islam they dont go to hell lol this is a mainstream islamic belief

so if someone dies without hearing about islam they go to heaven?

you realize this still shows that God plays favorites right?

its still unfair to fate people to get into heaven as it is to fate someone into hell

 

[shia.jihadist]

so if someone dies without hearing about islam they go to heaven?

you realize this still shows that God plays favorites right?

its still unfair to fate people to get into heaven as it is to fate someone into hell

no they get tested on the day of judgement

muh "fate" lol wait till you realise the whole point is that we dictate our fate

if we were "fated" into hell then god wouldnt be just

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

no they get tested on the day of judgement

tested on what exactly?

if they were a good person?

and if they were they get into heaven

also you said that infants who die prematurely get into heaven free now were at the same problem as this

its still unfair to fate people to get into heaven as it is to fate someone into hell

 

[shia.jihadist]

tested on what exactly?

if they were a good person?

no tested as in a trial will be presented and they decide their action

like for example maybe god says jump in this pool of lava

if you do it in obedience to god you go to heaven and if you dont you go to hell

also you said that infants who die prematurely get into heaven free now were at the same problem as this

thats not the same because their entire purpose was to be a test for their parents or for someone else

they go to heaven for free just like angels and other creatures who live in heaven

 

[playxiing]

no they get tested on the day of judgement

muh "fate" lol wait till you realise the whole point is that we dictate our fate

if we were "fated" into hell then god wouldnt be just

OP is muslim btw

 

[shia.jihadist]

OP is muslim btw

not anymore he isnt

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

OP is muslim btw

Allah Akbar

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

not anymore he isnt

I am muslim

 

[shia.jihadist]

I am muslim

if you deny that allah is justice that turns you into a kafir

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

no tested as in a trial will be presented and they decide their action

like for example maybe god says jump in this pool of lava

if you do it in obedience to god you go to heaven and if you dont you go to hell

can I get a source from an islamic text that says this is the case?

thats not the same because their entire purpose was to be a test for their parents or for someone else

their purpose is irrelevant

theyre still getting into heaven free which is unfair

its like if a teacher automatically passes a student the reason doesnt matter its unfair either

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

if you deny that allah is justice that turns you into a kafir

I was just joking Im not muslim

but for some reason theres this misconception I am

even though Ive repeatedly made it known im not religous

 

[shia.jihadist]

can I get a source from an islamic text that says this is the case?

ok wait

their purpose is irrelevant

theyre still getting into heaven free which is unfair

its like if a teacher automatically passes a student the reason doesnt matter its unfair either

no its like if a teacher doesnt give someone a test because he isnt a student

 

[shia.jihadist]

@wishIwasSalludon

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said, discussing the different points of view on this topic:

… They will be tested in the Hereafter by having a fire caused to appear before them. Whoever enters it will find it cool and safe, and whoever refuses will be punished. This was narrated by al-Bazzaar from the hadith of Anas and Abu Sa’eed, and it was narrated by al-Tabaraani from the hadith of Mu’aadh ibn Jabal. The issue of being tested has been proven in the case of one who is insane and the one who died during the fatrah (interval between two Prophets) via saheeh isnaads. Al-Bayhaqi stated in Kitaab al-I’tiqaad that it is the correct view.

Testing in the Hereafter of those who lived in the interval between two Prophets - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

no its like if a teacher doesnt give someone a test because he isnt a student

so God chooses to test some humans and not others?

why? thats still unfair

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

@wishIwasSalludon

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said, discussing the different points of view on this topic:

… They will be tested in the Hereafter by having a fire caused to appear before them. Whoever enters it will find it cool and safe, and whoever refuses will be punished. This was narrated by al-Bazzaar from the hadith of Anas and Abu Sa’eed, and it was narrated by al-Tabaraani from the hadith of Mu’aadh ibn Jabal. The issue of being tested has been proven in the case of one who is insane and the one who died during the fatrah (interval between two Prophets) via saheeh isnaads. Al-Bayhaqi stated in Kitaab al-I’tiqaad that it is the correct view.

Testing in the Hereafter of those who lived in the interval between two Prophets - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

and even if you have heard about islam that doesnt prove that everyone has an equal chance

if youre born into a christian country youre more likely to be christian, an athesit country an atheist etc

and people have different experiences, brain chemistry, genes which influence their choices

so God still plays favorites

 

[shia.jihadist]

so God chooses to test some humans and not others?

why? thats still unfair

How? god also doesnt test angels or hoors or animals

its unjust if he tests some more than others, its not unfair if someone isnt part of the test

and even if you have heard about islam that doesnt prove that everyone has an equal chance

if youre born into a christian country youre more likely to be christian, an athesit country an atheist etc

and people have different experiences, brain chemistry, genes which influence their choices

so God still plays favorites

like it says you have to be told about islam in such a way that if you were sincere you would recognise it as the truth

now its up to you whether you choose to be blinded because you aren't sincere in a search for truth

if you're not taught about it properly then its the same as a person who doesnt know about islam at all


ok i'm getting off now i'll respond tomorrow if you say something

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

How? god also doesnt test angels or hoors or animals

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

ok i'm getting off now i'll respond tomorrow if you say something

No I don’t really care anymore

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

so if someone dies without hearing about islam they go to heaven?

you realize this still shows that God plays favorites right?

its still unfair to fate people to get into heaven as it is to fate someone into hell

Muslims legit bekive in predeterminism.

Especially Sunni Muslims it’s part of their creed of faith they have to bekive in it. So yes Allah is unfair and literally makes people for hell

And even their Quran says he creates some people snd Djins to sent to hell yep and you cannot stop any of it from Muslim god is real and we aren’t Muslims it’s because Allah wants us to go hell

 

[AronnMtn]

Apparently according to islam before we were born Allah showed us our life and asked "you sure this is the one you want" and we said yes

thus the problem of evil no longer makes sense since we asked to be put here.

this doesnt really make sense to me tbh

"hey you sure u want to be incarnated as a starving african child and not a 6'5 8psl north atlantid demi-god"
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"sure"
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a few moments later:

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this absolutely makes no sense, whats the evidence is it in a hadith? or in specific surah?

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

this absolutely makes no sense, whats the evidence is it in a hadith? or in specific surah?

It’s said that Allah asked us 77 times if we wanted our life

Did ALLAH (SWT) asked us before sending us to earth?

I heard from someone that ALLAH(SWT) created us and then took some oath and sent us on earth. I don't know how authentic it is as I do not have any reference. Can someone shed some light on this?

islam.stackexchange.com

 

[AronnMtn]

It’s said that Allah asked us 77 times if we wanted our life

Did ALLAH (SWT) asked us before sending us to earth?

I heard from someone that ALLAH(SWT) created us and then took some oath and sent us on earth. I don't know how authentic it is as I do not have any reference. Can someone shed some light on this?

islam.stackexchange.com

im Christian, i find this funny

 

[Gengar]

Apparently according to islam before we were born Allah showed us our life and asked "you sure this is the one you want" and we said yes

Clearly I wasn’t asked.

 

[Gengar]

Chads test:

Poor guy. Has to deal with smelly roasties. I’d say he’s dealing with the worse test.

 

[Gengar]

That shows that Allah isn’t fair then

Why do some people get into heaven free?

there are many stories of God revealing himself to people

If God revealed him self to me id 100% become Muslim in an instant

And yet he doesn’t, it seems God plays favorites

Take your meds schizo.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Clearly I wasn’t asked.

I feel like I would’ve atleast asked to be born a Muslim so I could get the heaven

But it seems for some reason I wanted to be born an ugly ethnic kafir

Atleast you will make it to jannah