The Core Pillars of Male Attractiveness (Research-Based Breakdown)

[Zeekie]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win, sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

 

[GlamGuru]

Actual legitimate high IQ post.

 

[Beniceandkind]

Low iq retarded thread.

 

[2marc1]

nice gpt post FAGGOT

 

[Zeekie]

I put this in a separate comment because I didn't want to make the original post too long, so before I get called out... it's important to note:

1. Scientific research on attraction is context-dependent (cultural differences, age, socioeconomic factors, hormonal cycles in women, etc.). So of course, not everything here is true all across the table, but on average, it is.
2. "Not being too dark or too pale" is a weird phrase. What I meant to say was to have a healthy, even skin tone appropriate to your ethnicity
3. These are the realities for Western, heterosexual and online-dating-centric norms. They're NOT universal.
4. Some of the points in the charisma section could be considered a little manipulative, and overall, I do not advise actually doing it. But if you're okay with a little moral compromise in order to be attractive, it could be worth considering.

 

[UltimateCoper.]

High IQ grey

 

[Zeekie]

nice gpt post FAGGOT

Put through an AI detector nigger, it's honestly baffling to me to see that y'all have so little sense of proper formatting and making a post enjoyable to read that your first thought is ChatGPT. Jump off a bridge.

 

[mikeperry271]

• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.

noooooooooo, b-b-b-but pheromones?????

bs aside, legit thread

 

[MoggsWithBoness]

Face height status race

 

[Paroxysm]

saying "between 5'8" and 6'5"" as if 5'8" would ever be an acceptable height (it's pretty much always a major failo even if you're perfect everywhere else) or something close to the same range of attractiveness as 6'5" is insane

And height should be first on the relevance order anyway. the rest lacks nuance although I generally agree with it especially the section on hands, you hardly see anybody talking about hands on this forum when in fact they are extremely important. large, strong, veiny hands on a man with decently long nail beds and long fingers are pretty much the male equivalent of a pair of big round tits in a woman and much of the obsessive care women put into their own hands is a projection of the importance they give to male hands themselves

6.5/10 for effort still

 

[2marc1]

Put through an AI detector nigger, it's honestly baffling to me to see that y'all have so little sense of proper formatting and making a post enjoyable to read that your first thought is ChatGPT. Jump off a bridge.

anyway its fucking water, theres thousands of threads like this on this website, your late
~raped​

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win; sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

nice chat gpt water

 

[Djimo]

 

[LVZZO]

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex

 

[Zeekie]

nice chat gpt water

Jump off a bridge

 

[Zeekie]

saying "between 5'8" and 6'5"" as if 5'8" would ever be an acceptable height (it's pretty much always a major failo even if you're perfect everywhere else) or something close to the same range of attractiveness as 6'5" is insane

And height should be first on the relevance order anyway. the rest lacks nuance although I generally agree with it especially the section on hands, you hardly see anybody talking about hands on this forum when in fact they are extremely important. large, strong, veiny hands on a man with decently long nail beds and long fingers are pretty much the male equivalent of a pair of big round tits in a woman and much of the obsessive care women put into their own hands is a projection of the importance they give to male hands themselves

6.5/10 for effort still

I didn't actually intent to rank the specific traits in order of importance just the 6 major ones, although that would've been better, height is the most important trait on a man. And yes, 5'8" is blown to dust by a 6'5". However, it seems like that's only relevant when it comes to online dating, in face-to-face dating being average is often enough, as long as you're 2 to 5 inches taller than the woman, you'll probably do fine.

That said, there's no denying that very single woman on the planet would prefer a 6'6" Normie over a 5'8" Chad. Also, genuinely thanks for the "lacks nuance", I've been really interested in these topics lately and this is my form of outlet for that knowledge I've been gathering, and maybe it can help someone out there.

 

[KJ7]

High IQ thread for the most part. But in what world does fencing make you more attractive, unless you're trying to fuck men.

• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.

 

[getAlLifeMaxxing]

saying "between 5'8" and 6'5"" as if 5'8" would ever be an acceptable height (it's pretty much always a major failo even if you're perfect everywhere else) or something close to the same range of attractiveness as 6'5" is insane

And height should be first on the relevance order anyway. the rest lacks nuance although I generally agree with it especially the section on hands, you hardly see anybody talking about hands on this forum when in fact they are extremely important. large, strong, veiny hands on a man with decently long nail beds and long fingers are pretty much the male equivalent of a pair of big round tits in a woman and much of the obsessive care women put into their own hands is a projection of the importance they give to male hands themselves

6.5/10 for effort still

Niggas really think a bitch will reject you if you have your entire life in order but your 5'8

Being tall is an advantage not a requirement

"As if 5'8 would ever be an acceptable height" is ridiculous. In what scenario? Partying, clubbing sleeping around? Marriage?

You can get away with being 5'8 in all of these scenarios. The problem is the work needed to balance the disadvantage is not something average people are willing to do.

Doesn't mean it isn't impossible. Of course it seems intimidating when the success rate for shorter men is smaller but that's because average people, i.e RETARDS, are bringing down the percentage.

 

[Doryphoros]

Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.

This is especially true. I was talking with some female friends about somebody who used to go to our school, and as soon as one of them mentioned how he had really veiny hands, all of the others remembered and started talking about how attractive they found it. This is definitely one of the easiest softmaxxes with huge boosts to attractiveness.

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

Jump off a bridge

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adding a photo to make it look like ur legit so cringe

 

[iblamelooks5]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win, sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

Great post

 

[WrothEnd]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win, sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

Good thread

 

[Zeekie]

adding a photo to make it look like ur legit so cringe

Again, jump off a bridge

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

Again, jump off a bridge

the only people ik who say this shit to people irl and online are low t faggots, to get that upset about someone disagreeing with you or saying something u said isnt great is a feminine trait

 

[Zeekie]

the only people ik who say this shit to people irl and online are low t faggots, to get that upset about someone disagreeing with you or saying something u said isnt great is a feminine trait

"Disagreeing" is an understatement, you literally are providing nothing of value with your comments, hence, I reciprocate.

PLEASE jump off a bridge.

 

[Beniceandkind]

i;t's pretty much always a major failo even if you're perfect everywhere else

no. You're as retarded as op.

large, strong

no retard again. fingers need to be long, and pretty. not big and wide, it's low class and only attract ugly bimbos. very few men have hands like me : aka extremely pretty, veiny, long yet beautiful aesthetic. most people have distingusting fingers and hands, like you.

 

[IrishSlayer1483]

"Disagreeing" is an understatement, you literally are providing nothing of value with your comments, hence, I reciprocate.

PLEASE jump off a bridge.

I give people specific non cope advice responding to them not making water thread. Why are u so insistent on this jumping off a bridge business. I just know ur not secure in yourself. What a fag

 

[Zeekie]

I give people specific non cope advice responding to them not making water thread. Why are u so insistent on this jumping off a bridge business. I just know ur not secure in yourself. What a fag

All your "contributions" in this thread were "water" or "ChatGPT", might as well not have commented at all and moved on.

PLEASE DO SOME BRIDGEMAXXING

 

[laworg]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win, sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

Chatgpt made ur not fooling me boy

 

[laworg]

Put through an AI detector nigger, it's honestly baffling to me to see that y'all have so little sense of proper formatting and making a post enjoyable to read that your first thought is ChatGPT. Jump off a bridge.

Lol the dots give it away

 

[Zeekie]

Lol the dots give it away

You're telling me you don't know how to put dots in a text??

 

[laworg]

You're telling me you don't know how to put dots in a text??

Noone will take the time to do it

 

[Zeekie]

Noone will take the time to do it

Well, excuse a nigga for doing proper formatting on a thread. I made this account in 2024 but I barely even posted anything, I see the bar is too low over here.

What if I like my shit to look pretty? Can't a man do that without AI?

 

[laworg]

Well, excuse a nigga for doing proper formatting on a thread. I made this account in 2024 but I barely even posted anything, I see the bar is too low over here.

What if I like my shit to look pretty? Can't a man do that without AI?

No.

 

[Lawton88]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win, sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

Lol. Bluepilled nonsense much of it.

 

[Zeekie]

Lol. Bluepilled nonsense much of it.

Physical attraction is foundational, but it's definitely not the only factor. Do you think a girl would prefer a hot guy, or a hot guy who's emotionally intelligent? Do you think a girl would choose a hot guy, or a hot guy who's also rich?

I think the main issue with men and maximizing their looks is that we believe women function just like we do. Men, for the most part only care about looks. Women also care about looks, but they also care about 50 other attributes men never even considered in their life, this is why they have higher standards than us, they're wired to seek the best possible partner, and that doesn't only extend to the physical.

If you wanna have the maximum amount of success with women you have to develop yourself holistically to maximize your appeal, because that's how women rate you, they don't just focus on looks, or money, they focus on looks, money, status, height, perceived emotional availability, and other 10 variables ALL AT THE SAME TIME. And I'm not making any of this up, I can cite some research if you would actually like to look through it.

 

[HTNcutecel]

If you wanna have the maximum amount of success with women you have to develop yourself holistically to maximize your appeal, because that's how women rate you, they don't just focus on looks, or money, they focus on looks, money, status, height, perceived emotional availability, and other 10 variables ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

smv is more than just looks obvi they're just ragebaiting bhai

Emotional Intelligence

replace with game (understanding female psychology and exploiting it)

High Agreeableness

not attractive

worth mentioning archetype and voice too

d size wasn't explicitly mentioned but falls under dimorphism

 

[übermog]

Actual legitimate high IQ post.

Low iq retarded thread.

 

[Paroxysm]

no. You're as retarded as op.

no retard again. fingers need to be long, and pretty. not big and wide, it's low class and only attract ugly bimbos. very few men have hands like me : aka extremely pretty, veiny, long yet beautiful aesthetic. most people have distingusting fingers and hands, like you.

large and strong doesn't equal the stubby fat fingers of a turkish watermelon seller that you're picturing in your head. the rest of what you wrote doesn't deserve a reply.

 

[Napoleon1800]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win, sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

Everything past the looks area was cope ngl

Also symmetry doesn’t guarantee attractiveness

 

[Napoleon1800]

I didn't actually intent to rank the specific traits in order of importance just the 6 major ones, although that would've been better, height is the most important trait on a man. And yes, 5'8" is blown to dust by a 6'5". However, it seems like that's only relevant when it comes to online dating, in face-to-face dating being average is often enough, as long as you're 2 to 5 inches taller than the woman, you'll probably do fine.

That said, there's no denying that very single woman on the planet would prefer a 6'6" Normie over a 5'8" Chad. Also, genuinely thanks for the "lacks nuance", I've been really interested in these topics lately and this is my form of outlet for that knowledge I've been gathering, and maybe it can help someone out there.

You misunderstood height at it’s core, it’s not about how much taller you are than the woman, it is to some degree, but more about how much taller you are compared to other guys

 

[Zeekie]

You misunderstood height at it’s core, it’s not about how much taller you are than the woman, it is to some degree, but more about how much taller you are compared to other guys

I'm sure that's a significant factor, no doubt. However, this assessment is based only on scientific studies or, at the very least, poll-based research. It reflects what the existing literature and current trends generally suggest. Unfortunately, there isn’t solid research specifically comparing attractiveness based on your height relative to other men, so I had to work with the data that was available. The point of this post wasn’t to say, “This is the definitive list of what makes someone attractive,” because obviously, attraction is way more complex and women don't always say what they feel. Rather, I wanted to share the findings I could gather by pulling together research papers, polls, and dating app data on the factors that seem to influence how men are perceived in general.

Everything past the looks area was cope ngl

Also symmetry doesn’t guarantee attractiveness

This is exactly what’s wrong with the looksmaxxing community, you’ve become a one-trick pony. Yes, looks matter, and they’re the most important factor in attraction. But the underlying message often ends up being, “Only care about looks and ignore every other part of yourself,” which is honestly a pretty stupid mindset. Being a well-rounded person doesn’t just improve your success with women (beyond a few hookups or unserious relationships), it benefits every area of your life.

This is what most women also seem to say, and what I think personally. I don't care how attractive a bitch is, if she has zero substance, she's just hookup material. Pretty people who have no character to them are fucking boring, they're just trophies. I'm sure you don't wanna be a trophy, I'm sure I don't wanna be a trophy. This is not cope, it's being complete.

 

[Napoleon1800]

I'm sure that's a significant factor, no doubt. However, this assessment is based only on scientific studies or, at the very least, poll-based research. It reflects what the existing literature and current trends generally suggest. Unfortunately, there isn’t solid research specifically comparing attractiveness based on your height relative to other men, so I had to work with the data that was available. The point of this post wasn’t to say, “This is the definitive list of what makes someone attractive,” because obviously, attraction is way more complex and women don't always say what they feel. Rather, I wanted to share the findings I could gather by pulling together research papers, polls, and dating app data on the factors that seem to influence how men are perceived in general.


This is exactly what’s wrong with the looksmaxxing community, you’ve become a one-trick pony. Yes, looks matter, and they’re the most important factor in attraction. But the underlying message often ends up being, “Only care about looks and ignore every other part of yourself,” which is honestly a pretty stupid mindset. Being a well-rounded person doesn’t just improve your success with women (beyond a few hookups or unserious relationships), it benefits every area of your life.

This is what most women also seem to say, and what I think personally. I don't care how attractive a bitch is, if she has zero substance, she's just hookup material. Pretty people who have no character to them are fucking boring, they're just trophies. I'm sure you don't wanna be a trophy, I'm sure I don't wanna be a trophy. This is not cope, it's being complete.

Everything that you mentioned is all tied to looks.

Looks is your personality

I became a social outcast, high inhib, low confidence, no social skills, voicecel, off putting weirdo despite acting as normal as I think I can, jestermaxxed at times, all why?

Because of my looks. Because from a very young age I had a shard of glass cut into my eye and give me a deformity, then my parents shitty diet (ethnicity) and lifestyle made me fat from age 10-12, making me mocked by brutally honest kids due to my face and weight, then I tried to starve myself and became skinnyfat instead and Covid hit, meaning I was stuck inside for ages, and when I went back to school, I was still super ugly and disgusting. I got constant mockery, negative feedback, bullying, insults. I was only saved from physical assaults because I kind of hit early puberty and was like 5’8 at 13, taller than majority of the people around me. But soon that stopped and a lot of guys surpassed me in height. Whenever I got even close to girls, even if I didn’t speak to them, they moved away or at some cases screamed and ran away. I became blackpilled at 14 before anything in this space was even remotely mainstream, why? Because i found my solice in rotting on the internet, going on the niches, eventually finding blackpill content and resonating with it and seeing it fully explained my life. Now years after, at 18, though I’m still ugly, I’m not as ugly as compared to before, yet any new environment I’ve gone to I’ve immediately been sniffed out as a loser and social outcast and immediately placed at the bottom of the social ladder.

And where did it/does it all lead from? My looks. I promise you even now if I became a 6’4 Chad, my personality would become unrecognisable. So looks = personality

Sorry for yapping but had to prove a point

 

[Zeekie]

Everything that you mentioned is all tied to looks.

Looks is your personality

I became a social outcast, high inhib, low confidence, no social skills, voicecel, off putting weirdo despite acting as normal as I think I can, jestermaxxed at times, all why?

Because of my looks. Because from a very young age I had a shard of glass cut into my eye and give me a deformity, then my parents shitty diet (ethnicity) and lifestyle made me fat from age 10-12, making me mocked by brutally honest kids due to my face and weight, then I tried to starve myself and became skinnyfat instead and Covid hit, meaning I was stuck inside for ages, and when I went back to school, I was still super ugly and disgusting. I got constant mockery, negative feedback, bullying, insults. I was only saved from physical assaults because I kind of hit early puberty and was like 5’8 at 13, taller than majority of the people around me. But soon that stopped and a lot of guys surpassed me in height. Whenever I got even close to girls, even if I didn’t speak to them, they moved away or at some cases screamed and ran away. I became blackpilled at 14 before anything in this space was even remotely mainstream, why? Because i found my solice in rotting on the internet, going on the niches, eventually finding blackpill content and resonating with it and seeing it fully explained my life. Now years after, at 18, though I’m still ugly, I’m not as ugly as compared to before, yet any new environment I’ve gone to I’ve immediately been sniffed out as a loser and social outcast and immediately placed at the bottom of the social ladder.

And where did it/does it all lead from? My looks. I promise you even now if I became a 6’4 Chad, my personality would become unrecognisable. So looks = personality

Sorry for yapping but had to prove a point

First off, I totally understand the struggle of feeling ugly, overweight, and being part of an ethnic group that might not match mainstream beauty standards. I’ve never had a physical deformity, so I won’t pretend to know that specific hardship, but I get the frustration. That said, I want to stay focused on the main point: most of the advice in this thread is 99% true for the majority of people, unless you're an extreme outlier.

If you have a severely unappealing trait, like a noticeable deformity, that is going to overshadow a lot of the work you put in. And if you're naturally attractive? People will often gravitate toward you without doing anything. That’s the reality. But what about the rest of us, the “averages”?

You can softmaxx, hardmaxx, whatever, you’ll improve, but eventually, you hit a genetic ceiling unless you go down the road of expensive or risky procedures. At that point, all you can do is focus on everything else. Maximize the other traits you can control.
Think of it like a video game: once you’ve leveled up your appearance as much as possible, what then? You don’t just stop playing. Even if half the stuff isn’t as impactful as looks, they still make a difference. They compound, they stack, and many of them improve your life in ways beyond just dating, they help in your career, friendships, confidence, and self-respect.

I’m not into the blackpill, and I’m not fully into the redpill either, each have their bullshit and each have their truths, but I lean more red only because it pushes action over apathy. Maybe some people really are dealt a shit hand from birth, but what’s the alternative? Lie down and rot? Or try to improve your life, even if it’s just by 1%? That’s still progress. Even research shows that while looks play a big role in personality perception, a significant chunk of charisma comes from communication skills and how neurotic (anxious, depressed or angry) you are, things you can work on.

This is specially true for people like me, average. If you’re extremely attractive, yeah, this adds a little extra value but you’re already ahead. If you’re extremely unattractive and nothing can be done, this might help on the bit, but you'll have a perpetual disadvantage. As for me? I’m painfully average. Not tall, not short. Not good-looking, not ugly. Not rich, not broke. I can get with a few women at a bar but I expect some rejections. I’m never the guy who turns heads, but I can hold a room once I get going. People tend to come back to me because I’m tolerable. Maybe even likable.

Right now, I’m saving, investing in my business, planning for some cosmetic enhancements. But until then, I’m not going to sit back and accept mediocrity until that happens. Because being even 1% above average, gained through 100 micro-improvements, is still better than staying stuck.

Sorry for longer yapping, I just feel strongly about this stuff.

 

[Napoleon1800]

First off, I totally understand the struggle of feeling ugly, overweight, and being part of an ethnic group that might not match mainstream beauty standards. I’ve never had a physical deformity, so I won’t pretend to know that specific hardship, but I get the frustration. That said, I want to stay focused on the main point: most of the advice in this thread is 99% true for the majority of people, unless you're an extreme outlier.

If you have a severely unappealing trait, like a noticeable deformity, that is going to overshadow a lot of the work you put in. And if you're naturally attractive? People will often gravitate toward you without doing anything. That’s the reality. But what about the rest of us, the “averages”?

You can softmaxx, hardmaxx, whatever, you’ll improve, but eventually, you hit a genetic ceiling unless you go down the road of expensive or risky procedures. At that point, all you can do is focus on everything else. Maximize the other traits you can control.
Think of it like a video game: once you’ve leveled up your appearance as much as possible, what then? You don’t just stop playing. Even if half the stuff isn’t as impactful as looks, they still make a difference. They compound, they stack, and many of them improve your life in ways beyond just dating, they help in your career, friendships, confidence, and self-respect.

I’m not into the blackpill, and I’m not fully into the redpill either, each have their bullshit and each have their truths, but I lean more red only because it pushes action over apathy. Maybe some people really are dealt a shit hand from birth, but what’s the alternative? Lie down and rot? Or try to improve your life, even if it’s just by 1%? That’s still progress. Even research shows that while looks play a big role in personality perception, a significant chunk of charisma comes from communication skills and how neurotic (anxious, depressed or angry) you are, things you can work on.

This is specially true for people like me, average. If you’re extremely attractive, yeah, this adds a little extra value but you’re already ahead. If you’re extremely unattractive and nothing can be done, this might help on the bit, but you'll have a perpetual disadvantage. As for me? I’m painfully average. Not tall, not short. Not good-looking, not ugly. Not rich, not broke. I can get with a few women at a bar but I expect some rejections. I’m never the guy who turns heads, but I can hold a room once I get going. People tend to come back to me because I’m tolerable. Maybe even likable.

Right now, I’m saving, investing in my business, planning for some cosmetic enhancements. But until then, I’m not going to sit back and accept mediocrity until that happens. Because being even 1% above average, gained through 100 micro-improvements, is still better than staying stuck.

Sorry for longer yapping, I just feel strongly about this stuff.

But can you really change your personality? It’s inauthentic, it’s hard to maintain and feel comfortable, you’re being an actor and eventually it will be exposed. Personality is formed naturally through experiences in your formative years, I don’t think you can train your personality or mental state or confidence. It’s easier to change your appearance than that in my opinion. That’s why there’s so many autists (or just guys with no social skills and low confidence) in this space

 

[Zeekie]

But can you really change your personality? It’s inauthentic, it’s hard to maintain and feel comfortable, you’re being an actor and eventually it will be exposed. Personality is formed naturally through experiences in your formative years, I don’t think you can train your personality or mental state or confidence. It’s easier to change your appearance than that in my opinion. That’s why there’s so many autists (or just guys with no social skills and low confidence) in this space

I’ll give it to you, yeah, it is basically acting, it's one you have to do for the rest of your life. I’m naturally anxious and introverted, but every time I go out, I have to push against that. Why? Because if I don’t, I’ll get overlooked. I won’t get networking opportunities, I won’t attract women, and I won’t build the kind of life I want.

Sure, changing your looks is easier in comparison. I was probably a 4/10 in my teen years. Now, I’d say I’m at least a high-tier normie, maybe a 5 or 6, and honestly, that brought the biggest improvement to my life. But even with better looks, it wasn’t enough. There were still moments where I had to go even further and improve every other aspect of myself to progress more.

That said, there is some truth to “fake it till you make it.” You can’t fully change your personality, most of it was shaped in your formative years and becomes pretty stable over time. But you can detach from some of the negative traits and gradually lean into healthier, more attractive ones. It’s a long, effortful process. At the start, yeah, it feels fake. It is acting. Maybe it will always feel fake or be acting.

But here’s the thing: certain traits do start to feel more natural over time. I’ve seen it in myself. Attributes I once had to force are now more authentic. I know I’ll never completely transform who I am, that’s a well-documented limitation of the personality in psychology and psychoanalysis. A lot of it comes down to the neural pathways laid down in childhood, which are nearly impossible to rewire fully.

Still, some progress is possible. Some habits do become second nature. And that progress, however small, adds up. And yeah, it's way easier to just become more attractive, but there's a limit to how attractive you can be until you run out of resources or things to try, then what? I know I'll be having some implants and surgeries done when I get my finances in check and have a stable business, but that's probably going to take a few years. I'm not going to do nothing during that time, I can progress in some areas that are not my attractiveness, BECAUSE IVE PRETTY MUCH REACHED THE LIMIT OF SOFTMAXXING.

or just blatantly faked if needed.

When I said this at the end, I wasn't joking. Just fake it if it's what you have to do. People aren't gonna know anyways

 

[Napoleon1800]

I’ll give it to you, yeah, it is basically acting, it's one you have to do for the rest of your life. I’m naturally anxious and introverted, but every time I go out, I have to push against that. Why? Because if I don’t, I’ll get overlooked. I won’t get networking opportunities, I won’t attract women, and I won’t build the kind of life I want.

Sure, changing your looks is easier in comparison. I was probably a 4/10 in my teen years. Now, I’d say I’m at least a high-tier normie, maybe a 5 or 6, and honestly, that brought the biggest improvement to my life. But even with better looks, it wasn’t enough. There were still moments where I had to go even further and improve every other aspect of myself to progress more.

That said, there is some truth to “fake it till you make it.” You can’t fully change your personality, most of it was shaped in your formative years and becomes pretty stable over time. But you can detach from some of the negative traits and gradually lean into healthier, more attractive ones. It’s a long, effortful process. At the start, yeah, it feels fake. It is acting. Maybe it will always feel fake or be acting.

But here’s the thing: certain traits do start to feel more natural over time. I’ve seen it in myself. Attributes I once had to force are now more authentic. I know I’ll never completely transform who I am, that’s a well-documented limitation of the personality in psychology and psychoanalysis. A lot of it comes down to the neural pathways laid down in childhood, which are nearly impossible to rewire fully.

Still, some progress is possible. Some habits do become second nature. And that progress, however small, adds up. And yeah, it's way easier to just become more attractive, but there's a limit to how attractive you can be until you run out of resources or things to try, then what? I know I'll be having some implants and surgeries done when I get my finances in check and have a stable business, but that's probably going to take a few years. I'm not going to do nothing during that time, I can progress in some areas that are not my attractiveness, BECAUSE IVE PRETTY MUCH REACHED THE LIMIT OF SOFTMAXXING.


When I said this at the end, I wasn't joking. Just fake it if it's what you have to do. People aren't gonna know anyways

Fair enough.

I do think people will notice though, at least some of them, if someone is extroverted and socially successful and dominant and experienced they can easily read people, even subconsciously.

 

[Blonk]

I've been really invested in the topic of what truly makes someone attractive, not from a social standpoint or what people tend to say or believe, but from what scientific research actually suggests. I think I've compiled a list of traits that make up 99% of romantic/sexual attraction for men. I'd love to hear opinions on this, did I miss anything?

They're ranked 1 through 6 in order of relevance.

1. Physical Attraction

• Height – Being tall is obviously important. The taller the better, but realistically, as long as you're at least 2+ inches taller than most women, you'll probably do just fine. Generally, being between 5'8" and 6'5" is ideal. Research shows 5'11" or taller is preferred. Anything over 7 feet starts becoming unattractive, however.
• Sexual Dimorphism – Perhaps one of the most important factors in sexual attraction as a man: you don’t want to look like a woman. This is true for most guys. Sure, some can pull off a few feminine features, but that’s usually a niche appeal, which isn’t the point here. We’re aiming for broad appeal. This is a huge topic in itself, but to name a few important traits: facial bone mass (cheekbones, brow ridge, etc.), appropriate body hair, muscular body and wide frame, thick eyebrows, and so on.
• Symmetry – Having a symmetrical face is a universal sign of good genetics and attractiveness. If your face is largely asymmetrical, you’re unattractive. If it’s symmetrical, you’re attractive. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
• Skin & Glow – Having clear skin and a "natural glow" is very important, as it signals good health. This means minimal texture, no acne, no hyperpigmentation, not being too dark or too pale.
• Scent/Smell – If you stink, you're automatically done. Doesn’t matter if you're a PSL God, if a woman catches a whiff, it's over. This ties into your hygiene, diet, grooming, and use of cologne or other scent enhancers. Avoid feminine scents, especially if you look masculine. Nothing more off-putting than a 6'6" muscle hunk smelling like lavender and roses.
• Eyes – "Hunter eyes," or the closest thing to them, are ideal. If you’ve been down the looksmaxxing rabbit hole, you already know what they are, I don’t need to explain.
• Hands/Vascularity – Super underrated. Women notice hands more than you think. Keep them trimmed, get manicures if possible, this falls under grooming. You also need vascularity, especially in forearms and hands. Think flavonoids, vasodilators, electrolytes, hydration, low body fat, training, you name it. But, everything in moderation. Too lean or overly vascular (e.g., from steroids) can look excessive and thus unattractive.
• Beard – Clean-shaven or full beards are often less ideal according to research. A light to heavy stubble is almost always more attractive. That said, if you have a god-tier jaw, or a very weak jaw, exposing or covering it accordingly might be better regardless of what research says.
• Fitness – Be lean, be relatively muscular (BMI between 22 and 27), engage in sports, cardio, athletic activities, eat well, optimize your hormones, sleep well, etc. These are foundational to physical attractiveness.

2. Charisma
(Charisma is complex, but these are the personality and charismatic traits most often cited by research. You don’t always have to be these things, just make others perceive that you are.)

• High Openness – Curiosity, willingness to try new things, appreciation for art, music, and intellectual pursuits.
• High Conscientiousness – Organization, responsibility, dependability.
• High Extraversion – Sociability, energy from others, comfort in social settings.
• High Agreeableness – Compassion, cooperation, empathy.
• Low Neuroticism – Low tendency to experience anxiety, depression, or anger.
• Communicative Skills – Don’t stutter, enunciate clearly, speak slowly, articulate well, be a good storyteller.
• Honesty & Reliability – Be seen as honest and dependable. Follow through, avoid blatant lies, offer small gestures.
• Powerful & Dominant – Controversial, but dominance matters. Don’t let others walk over you. Be assertive when needed. If you’re anyone’s doormat, your social attractiveness drops significantly. Stand up for yourself (or others) when you know you can win.

3. Social Status

• Successful Career – Success in your field gives you status. Research on which careers are attractive is mixed, but some (e.g., lawyer, military) are consistently seen as appealing. Regardless, be successful at whatever you do.
• Social Media Presence – Having a solid online presence (+1k followers), an attractive profile, and good content makes you miles more attractive in today’s world.
• Good Network – Ties into wealth and career. Be the "I know a guy" person. The more high-value people you’re connected to, the higher your status.
• Wealth – Do I even need to explain? If you’re wealthy, it hardly matters how you look, you’ll still appeal to most women.
• Rare Travel/Experiences/Hobbies – Be a sexual peacock. Unique experiences, niche travels, or high-class hobbies (art, music, fencing, etc.) make you irresistible.
• Mystery & Emotional Inaccessibility – Reveal very little but imply a lot. The more mysterious you are, the more attractive you become.

4. Intelligence
(Like charisma, intelligence is hard to define. But again, it's about appearing smart, even if you're not.)

• Giftedness – If you excel at anything, show it. Expertise is very attractive, be it math, chess, art, music, cooking, even cleaning. Einstein was ugly, but he could’ve bagged Marilyn Monroe (probably false, but fun to imagine).
• Engage in Intellectual Pursuits – Read, watch films, learn languages, explore art. Even if you’re faking it, you’ll thank me later.
• Extensive Vocabulary – Ties into communication, but worth emphasizing: knowing a wide range of words (and using them well) boosts perceived intelligence a lot. Just don’t overdo it.

5. Mutual Interests
(This depends on the woman. If you’re targeting someone specific, learn her interests, music, films, hobbies, and show genuine interest. Women love it when a man engages with things they like. If you’re just going for broad appeal... I don’t know, listen to Lana del Rey or something modern women are into.)

6. Emotional Intelligence
(Foundation = Healthy coping mechanisms and healing from the past)
If you’ve got unresolved trauma and no emotional regulation, you’ll likely struggle to connect emotionally, especially romantically. This is the most overlooked aspect of attraction for men. Unlike men, women care a lot about emotional availability. That’s why "pretty boys" often beat hypermasculine guys, they seem more emotionally in tune.

• Empathy – Most men are terrible at this. Maybe we see it as feminine, or just aren't used to showing emotion. But women expect emotional attunement. If you can’t feel empathy, just learn how to fake it, psychopaths do it really well. You don’t have to be empathetic, just seem like you are.
• Emotional Support – Know how to comfort someone in a time of need. Learn your partner’s love language. This is essential to keeping long-term romantic relationships alive.
• Attachment Style – Don’t be too attached or too distant. Emotional unavailability is unattractive, and clinginess is off-putting. Find a balanced, secure style.
• Conflict Management – Critical in any relationship. Learn persuasion, rhetorical skill, and how to defuse conflict. You don’t always need to win, sometimes it’s smarter to appear like you’ve compromised. And if you're wrong, apologize properly. A tactical loss is better than long-term relationship damage.

This is the result of condensed weeks of research. I hope someone finds value in it. Of course, these aren’t the only factors at play in attraction, but they’re the most important ones according to research on love, dating, and sexual appeal. Fortunately, most of these can be developed, acquired naturally (or through surgery), or just blatantly faked if needed.

 

[Zeekie]

Fair enough.

I do think people will notice though, at least some of them, if someone is extroverted and socially successful and dominant and experienced they can easily read people, even subconsciously.

Yeah, true. I think I've noticed that, a huge component of pulling this off is being mildly intelligent. I'm not a genius, but I'm also not stupid so I can pull it off most of the time, but even then, sometimes you mess up, your social queues are not natural, and you put off some people. But that's a rare occurrence, the average individual is not this perceptive, so it's not often a real issue.

Either way, you're 18, and despite me not being significantly older than you and therefore definitely not qualified to give life advice since I don't even got my shit figured out, I don't think you should just default to the mode of thinking that "it's looks or it's over". Yeah do the best the you with your looks, they're important, the most important thing in this shallow planet even for animals, but for those of us who aren't genetically blessed, don't have the means to get the surgeries we'd like to (YET...), and those who's softmaxxing transformations simply didn't made them chads, have to play our cards are best as we can. Being resourceful and doing everything in our power, because if you don't, you're going to keep living a miserable life being average, or even worse, below average.

 

[Zeekie]

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