The Final Height Maxxing Stack at 16 (Update on my Growth)

[natqr]

Info:
16.5 years old
179 cm morning height
Bone age: 16
Mom: 5 '10, Dad 5'10
Goal: 190 cm/6'3 (realistically will be hard to hit but I believe its possible with the help of my moms genes, her dad being 6'3)

Results/Update:
5 8.5(174cm) --> 5'10.5(179) at 16.5 after 3 months around the previous year of 0 growth (u won't grow a single cm everyone told me)
Just 6 ius of gh + ai + supplements + lifestyle + mechanical stimuli
Starting this stack now everything ordered ~ 1600 usd for a years worth of compounds
Doctors told me based on wrist xray+ bone age I had 1-2 cms max more
In my opinion wrist xrays are completly inaccurate to see how much growth is left, your bone age will give you some idea, but there are much better methods

I'm documenting all this as I want to show with proof that heightmaxxing is possible and no matter how late it is for you there is still hope

Context:
Recently I have figured out that I have a rare inherited disorder that affects RUNX1, which plays a key role in hematopoiesis, osteogenesis, and growth-plate chondrocyte differentiation. so I have been trying to counter it, it has probally cost me a few inches in height, which hopefully I can catch up.

• Underactivated Wnt/β-catenin and BMP/Smad pathways, slowing chondrocyte hypertrophy and ossification
• Faster stem-cell exhaustion, shorter telomeres, and higher oxidative stress, which further impair bone growth
• Lower alkaline phosphatase (ALP) activity and fewer mature osteoblasts → reduced bone formation and slower longitudinal growth
  
  Whats interesting is that the shortest people in my family are my dad and grandmother who in turn both have the RUNX1 disorder (not a coincidence). I believe this cost them inches off their height, as my dad, similar to me he had good gentics but hugely undershot them and ended up 5'10, with a predicted height of 6'1.
  

Bloodwork every 6 weeks very important and constantly monitoring my progress and health.

Main Stack:

• 12.5 mg Aromasin EOD
• 6 IU HGH ED (will raise to 8 IU once pharma kit finished) – 2 weeks off every 6 months
• Test E 300 mg/week (100 mg Mon/Wed/Fri)
• Anavar 25 mg ED – 8 weeks on / 4 weeks off
• Abaloparatide 80 µg ED (until plates close)
• Meclizine 25 mg ED (PM)
• T4 12.5 µg ED (7:20 AM)
• Lithium Orotate 20 mg ED
• Epitalon 5 mg daily × 10 days → 20 days off
• Vesugen 5 mg daily × 10 days → 20 days off
• Senolytics – Fisetin 2 g + Quercetin 1 g ED for 2 days 1×/month (no antioxidants those 2 days)
• Cartalax 1 mg daily
• EPO 1000 IU × 2 per week
• Thymalin 5 mg × 10 days / month (support runx1)

Mechanical / Recovery Routine

• Milk + 15 g whey after school

• After PM HGH → LSJL (10 s on / 10 s off × 8 per plate) → Jumps 25×4 → Traction routine with weights ED then go to bed
• Saturday – RWST (optional)
• Collagen peptides + Vitamin C + Glucosamine complex + Hyaluronic Acid after HGH + mechanical loading (before bed)

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Support:

• Glow stack
• HCG:
  Weeks 1–3 → 250 IU (Tues/Thurs/Sat)
  Week 4 → 500 IU (Tues/Thurs/Sat blast)
• NR 300 mg + TMG 250 mg + Pterostilbene 100 mg
• Telmisartan 40 mg
• Berberine 500 mg
• Eplerenone 25 mg
• NAC 1200 mg + TUDCA 1200 mg
• Astaxanthin 8 mg
• Ergothioneine 5 mg
• Silicon (Orthosilicic Acid) 20 mg ED
• PQQ 20 mg + CoQ10 200 mg
• Melatonin 100 mg 1×/week (Sat) + 3 mg Mon–Thurs
• MCHA Calcium+Phosphate (am)
• Strontium Citrate 680 mg (pm)

---

Basic Supplements:

• Vitamin D3 10,000 IU ED
• Vitamin K2 (MK-7) 400 µg ED
• Zinc 30 mg ED
• Magnesium 300 mg ED
• Boron 6 mg ED
• Fish Oil
• Multivitamin

@Dex1310 @Sachlichkeit @Zagro @renos @Bitchwhipper2 @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @blonde_is_htb @Corpuscula

 

[SvtvnTr14d]

Info:
16.5 years old
179 cm morning height
Bone age: 16
Mom: 5 '10, Dad 5'10
Goal: 190 cm/6'3 (realistically will be hard to hit but I believe its possible with the help of my moms genes, her dad being 6'3)

Results/Update:
5 8.5(174cm) --> 5'10.5(179) at 16.5 after 3 months around the previous year of 0 growth (u won't grow a single cm everyone told me)
Just 6 ius of gh + ai + supplements + lifestyle + mechanical stimuli
Starting this stack now everything ordered ~ 1600 usd for a years worth of compounds
Doctors told me based on wrist xray+ bone age I had 1-2 cms max more
In my opinion wrist xrays are completly inaccurate to see how much growth is left, your bone age will give you some idea, but there are much better methods

I'm documenting all this as I want to show with proof that heightmaxxing is possible and no matter how late it is for you there is still hope

Context:
Recently I have figured out that I have a rare inherited disorder that affects RUNX1, which plays a key role in hematopoiesis, osteogenesis, and growth-plate chondrocyte differentiation. so I have been trying to counter it, it has probally cost me a few inches in height, which hopefully I can catch up.

• Underactivated Wnt/β-catenin and BMP/Smad pathways, slowing chondrocyte hypertrophy and ossification
• Faster stem-cell exhaustion, shorter telomeres, and higher oxidative stress, which further impair bone growth
• Lower alkaline phosphatase (ALP) activity and fewer mature osteoblasts → reduced bone formation and slower longitudinal growth
  
  Whats interesting is that the shortest people in my family are my dad and grandmother who in turn both have the RUNX1 disorder (not a coincidence). I believe this cost them inches off their height, as my dad, similar to me he had good gentics but hugely undershot them and ended up 5'10, with a predicted height of 6'1.

Bloodwork every 6 weeks very important and constantly monitoring my progress and health.

Main Stack:

• 12.5 mg Aromasin EOD
• 6 IU HGH ED (will raise to 8 IU once pharma kit finished) – 2 weeks off every 6 months
• Test E 300 mg/week (100 mg Mon/Wed/Fri)
• Anavar 25 mg ED – 8 weeks on / 4 weeks off
• Abaloparatide 80 µg ED (until plates close)
• Meclizine 25 mg ED (PM)
• T4 12.5 µg ED (7:20 AM)
• Lithium Orotate 20 mg ED
• Epitalon 5 mg daily × 10 days → 20 days off
• Vesugen 5 mg daily × 10 days → 20 days off
• Senolytics – Fisetin 2 g + Quercetin 1 g ED for 2 days 1×/month (no antioxidants those 2 days)
• Cartalax 1 mg daily
• EPO 1000 IU × 2 per week
• Thymalin 5 mg × 10 days / month (support runx1)

Mechanical / Recovery Routine

• Milk + 15 g whey after school
• After PM HGH → LSJL (10 s on / 10 s off × 8 per plate) → Jumps 25×4 → Traction routine with weights ED then go to bed
• Saturday – RWST (optional)
• Collagen peptides + Vitamin C + Glucosamine complex + Hyaluronic Acid after HGH + mechanical loading (before bed)

---

Support:

• Glow stack
• HCG:
  Weeks 1–3 → 250 IU (Tues/Thurs/Sat)
  Week 4 → 500 IU (Tues/Thurs/Sat blast)
• NR 300 mg + TMG 250 mg + Pterostilbene 100 mg
• Telmisartan 40 mg
• Berberine 500 mg
• Eplerenone 25 mg
• NAC 1200 mg + TUDCA 1200 mg
• Astaxanthin 8 mg
• Ergothioneine 5 mg
• Silicon (Orthosilicic Acid) 20 mg ED
• PQQ 20 mg + CoQ10 200 mg
• Melatonin 100 mg 1×/week (Sat) + 3 mg Mon–Thurs
• MCHA Calcium+Phosphate (am)
• Strontium Citrate 680 mg (pm)

---

Basic Supplements:

• Vitamin D3 10,000 IU ED
• Vitamin K2 (MK-7) 400 µg ED
• Zinc 30 mg ED
• Magnesium 300 mg ED
• Boron 6 mg ED
• Fish Oil
• Multivitamin

@Dex1310 @Sachlichkeit @Zagro @renos @Bitchwhipper2 @MyDreamIsToBe183CM @blonde_is_htb @Corpuscula

mirin

 

[202]

dnr

 

[iblameoverbite_01]

 

[BaranPSL]

Holy cope and unemployment.

Until seeing 6"6 on the street with only genes

 

[UMIRINBRAH?]

shut yo bitch ass up

 

[why not me?]

how much does this shit cost you

 

[natqr]

I mentioned it
~ 1600 usd for a years worth of compounds
More from supplements and bloodwork

 

[natqr]

dnr
View attachment 4245282

Yeah I could tell u didn’t read clearly didn’t see my progress

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

Just mirin, this is the ultimate stack

 

[renos]

mirin hard

 

[wheyfart]

You got all the 14 year olds to believe your shit and they are mirin you probably believe your shit too, telling yourself you had stopped growing, people telling you you won’t grow delusional at 16

 

[stufftodo]

epithalon would increase telomere length

 

[stufftodo]

You got all the 14 year olds to believe your shit and they are mirin you probably believe your shit too, telling yourself you had stopped growing, people telling you you won’t grow delusional at 16

his stack is ok

 

[wheyfart]

his stack is ok

Yeah it is but I don’t like these exaggerations they make to try to get more interactions

 

[natqr]

Yeah it is but I don’t like these exaggerations they make to try to get more interactions

not neccasary exaggerating everything here is true, but is your impression that all my growth was natural and had nothing to do with compounds?

 

[natqr]

epithalon would increase telomere length

yes and

 

[topology]

legit worst thread i've ever seen, congrats buddy

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

Holy based

 

[natqr]

legit worst thread i've ever seen, congrats buddy

u can have ur opinion, just curious what makes u think that

 

[topology]

u can have ur opinion, just curious what makes u think that

grew at 16 (this is normal) and attributed it all to hgh. even if it was the hgh that caused the growth, it would only be a small fraction in your case. this thread is basically all cope

 

[natqr]

grew at 16 (this is normal) and attributed it all to hgh. even if it was the hgh that caused the growth, it would only be a small fraction in your case. this thread is basically all cope

I get what ur trying to say but saying it only had a small impact doesn’t really make sense. Do u have any proof that hgh would only make a small difference? Based on evidence such my bone age and growth plate imaging, I was told that I was essentially done growing naturally. With even more evidence, after starting HGH + AI, my IGF-1 more than doubled and E2 dropped, giving me a longer growth window which ill be curious to see you disprove in which how that won't hugely benfit my height. So even if part of it was natural, it’s clear the protocol extended my growth phase. I’m not coping, just sharing what worked for me and letting people decide what they think. Everything else in this protcol is run due to evidence of height increase and theorical ideas, my bloodwork markers would further show the revelance of the rest of my stack.

 

[topology]

I get what ur trying to say but saying it only had a small impact doesn’t really make sense. Do u have any proof that hgh would only make a small difference? Based on evidence such my bone age and growth plate imaging, I was told that I was essentially done growing naturally. With even more evidence, after starting HGH + AI, my IGF-1 more than doubled and E2 dropped, giving me a longer growth window which ill be curious to see you disprove in which how that won't hugely benfit my height. So even if part of it was natural, it’s clear the protocol extended my growth phase. I’m not coping, just sharing what worked for me and letting people decide what they think. Everything else in this protcol is run due to evidence of height increase and theorical ideas, my bloodwork markers would further show the revelance of the rest of my stack.

studies where they used hgh on children (keep in mind hgh is much much more effective when you're a child vs 16 years old) only led to a few inches above the predicted height, and i've heard reports of there being none at all (really depends on how you respond from what i've seen).

next, the AI is irrelevant to the argument as you claimed you gained 2 inches in 3 months. your window is very likely to have been 3 months (or more) without the AI as you're still in the period to grow. if you claimed it was, for example, over the span of 9 months, then it would make sense. i have seen many people say that doctors gave incorrect readings on growth plates & that they grew afterwards. can you send me your bone x-ray?

lastly, igf-1boosting for height is not this magic cure. read into the studies, the data will show it's okish at best. either have good genes, use hgh at 8, or cope buddy. what you're trying to claim is not consistent with biologically researched data.

 

[natqr]

studies where they used hgh on children (keep in mind hgh is much much more effective when you're a child vs 16 years old) only led to a few inches above the predicted height, and i've heard reports of there being none at all (really depends on how you respond from what i've seen).

next, the AI is irrelevant to the argument as you claimed you gained 2 inches in 3 months. your window is very likely to have been 3 months (or more) without the AI as you're still in the period to grow. if you claimed it was, for example, over the span of 9 months, then it would make sense. i have seen many people say that doctors gave incorrect readings on growth plates & that they grew afterwards. can you send me your bone x-ray?

lastly, igf-1boosting for height is not this magic cure. read into the studies, the data will show it's okish at best. either have good genes, use hgh at 8, or cope buddy. what you're trying to claim is not consistent with biologically researched data.

I had zero growth for a whole year before starting HGH + AI, not even a few millimeters. My plates clearly weren’t fused but had gone senescent, basically dormant. Once IGF-1 doubled + mechanical stimulus and my lifestyle change, my growth restarted within weeks hard to say that is a coincidence. So yeah, genes decide potential, but HGH + lifestyle re-activated the process that had already shut off naturally. Not to mention a complete lifestyle change and nutriention all hugely helped, but don't want give people false hope as they won't neccesary have the same results as me. Heres my plates have a look

 

[topology]

I had zero growth for a whole year before starting HGH + AI, not even a few millimeters. My plates clearly weren’t fused but had gone senescent, basically dormant. Once IGF-1 doubled + mechanical stimulus and my lifestyle change, my growth restarted within weeks hard to say that is a coincidence. So yeah, genes decide potential, but HGH + lifestyle re-activated the process that had already shut off naturally. Not to mention a complete lifestyle change and nutriention all hugely helped, but don't want give people false hope as they won't neccesary have the same results as me. Heres my plates have a look

this is an anecdote, not actual science.

everything you say is not biologically consistent, making what you are saying by definition cope.

your bone x-ray looks similar to mine, & i grew a small bit (natrually).

 

[natqr]

this is an anecdote, not actual science.

everything you say is not biologically consistent, making what you are saying by definition cope.

your bone x-ray looks similar to mine, & i grew a small bit (natrually).

Obviously it’s anecdotal there aren’t gonna be studies on giving hormones to healthy 16-year-olds. You’re right that HGH results are mixed, which is why I’ve been looking deeper into how it actually works (which I didn’t really want to mention, but it’s pretty interesting).

The studies that say IGF-1 has “minimal benefit” are almost always talking about serum IGF-1 the liver-derived kind measured in blood tests. But real growth is driven by local IGF-1 made inside the growth plate, which doesn’t even show up in serum. That’s why animals with ~70% lower serum IGF-1 still grow normally as shown in the attachment because local IGF-1 and other pathways (which I’m trying to influence), like increasing testosterone or blocking FGFR3, or just straight up natural stimulation keep bone growth going. This is also why peptides could theorically be better due to their pulsating nature to the local igf1.

If I’m being real, just straight-up HGH + AI isn’t some magic fix the AI does most of the long-term work by keeping the plates open. This is pretty gatekept tho. I was just sharing my results, but I genuinely believe that the stack I am planning to run will have a direct effect on my height, sure call it cope but at least I know I did all I could and as long as I reach my goal nothing matters.

 

[topology]

Obviously it’s anecdotal there aren’t gonna be studies on giving hormones to healthy 16-year-olds. You’re right that HGH results are mixed, which is why I’ve been looking deeper into how it actually works (which I didn’t really want to mention, but it’s pretty interesting).

The studies that say IGF-1 has “minimal benefit” are almost always talking about serum IGF-1 the liver-derived kind measured in blood tests. But real growth is driven by local IGF-1 made inside the growth plate, which doesn’t even show up in serum. That’s why animals with ~70% lower serum IGF-1 still grow normally as shown in the attachment because local IGF-1 and other pathways (which I’m trying to influence), like increasing testosterone or blocking FGFR3, or just straight up natural stimulation keep bone growth going. This is also why peptides could theorically be better due to their pulsating nature to the local igf1.

If I’m being real, just straight-up HGH + AI isn’t some magic fix the AI does most of the long-term work by keeping the plates open. This is pretty gatekept tho. I was just sharing my results, but I genuinely believe that the stack I am planning to run will have a direct effect on my height, sure call it cope but at least I know I did all I could and as long as I reach my goal nothing matters.

igf-1 does matter, yes, but your genetics are much more important. i have an entire document from a month back on over 50 genetics relating to height with most things being cited. (FGFR3 being one of them, as you stated)

i also did not mean boosting igf-1 has "minimal benefit." i'm aware it can boost height by several inches IF used earlier. using it at 16won't give more than an inch unless someone has a much younger bone age. and once again, hgh can NOT boost your height by 2 inches in 3 months (especially on 6iu), cite a single study showing that (THIS IS THE MAIN ISSUE WITH YOUR ARGUMENT). basically all studies show a difference of 2.5 - 3cm difference from the HGH to control group in a year. your natrual growth was much more than what the hgh gave (if any).

and AI keeping the plates open being the "hero" is pretty common sense to anyone doing research.

i'm not going to continue this conversation anymore as these conversations have been had hundreds of times before on this site. just do research and use your critical thinking skills to draw a conclusion.

 

[WASALOSER]

is it over if you are 17 yo in terms of heightmaxxing

 

[stufftodo]

yes and

might help with telomere length by delaying senescence

would be beneficial since you have runx1

 

[stufftodo]

igf-1 does matter, yes, but your genetics are much more important. i have an entire document from a month back on over 50 genetics relating to height with most things being cited. (FGFR3 being one of them, as you stated)

i also did not mean boosting igf-1 has "minimal benefit." i'm aware it can boost height by several inches IF used earlier. using it at 16won't give more than an inch unless someone has a much younger bone age. and once again, hgh can NOT boost your height by 2 inches in 3 months (especially on 6iu), cite a single study showing that (THIS IS THE MAIN ISSUE WITH YOUR ARGUMENT). basically all studies show a difference of 2.5 - 3cm difference from the HGH to control group in a year. your natrual growth was much more than what the hgh gave (if any).

and AI keeping the plates open being the "hero" is pretty common sense to anyone doing research.

i'm not going to continue this conversation anymore as these conversations have been had hundreds of times before on this site. just do research and use your critical thinking skills to draw a conclusion.

just reactivate your igf2 production for 20cm in 2 months

 

[natqr]

might help with telomere length by delaying senescence

would be beneficial since you have runx1

yeah thats why i added it, all of this compounds have some sort of role

 

[wheyfart]

not neccasary exaggerating everything here is true, but is your impression that all my growth was natural and had nothing to do with compounds?

I was mad when I wrote that but still feel like that is an exaggeration considering you say you grew 0 mm in a YEAR and then started growing. But I read your discussion wit that other dude and these discussions are actually very important for .org in general. And as u said as long as u reach ur goal it doesn’t matter