[The importance of being Neurotypical] NT Theory

[AutismMaxing]

Good thread but...

You said the majority of people meet through instagram and facebook. You advise this and Social Circle game because of the more favorable supply demand ratios for men, than online dating.

Supply/Demand is one factor but maximizing one's genetic potential by focusing on your strengths rather than weaknesses is as well.

Most HFA's (High Functioning Autists) will never be able to climb the social hierarchy in social circle high enough to attain decent SMV regardless of how much social nootropics they use. Many of these have a good chance of causing brain damage long term, check out the forums of long term nooptropic users complaining of constant headaches for years on end.

Doing so is attempting to optimize a weakness, which is generally a poor strategy in life. That would be like a fish trying to compete with baboons in the forest to hunt for food, because the forest happens to be less competitive.

It's not optimal to fight against your genetic programming when you can amplify your strengths.

There are strategies that work better for HFA's and there are different types of HFA's with different strengths so the best strategy, and the specifics of that strategy depends on your own biology. But here are some strategies that HFA's have been able to pull of successfully for mating with many high quality women:

* Looks Maxing and using dating apps
* Starting a Cult
(If you started it and you're running it, then no one can out compete you for the top position using their NT abilities. See Keith rainier for a HFA good example of this, but there are many others)
* Unique Niche of Day game
(This requires looks maxing as well, but it's NOT competing in a social circle which requires many social interactions where you can't make any big social mistakes for a long period of time. This benefits a HFA because it's the same situation over and over, so they can go home and analyze exactly what happened, how far they got and come up with an improvement to their strategy and then try again. I say unique niche because if it's too popular then you won't be able to compete with the NTs. Every city and environment is different, and the HFA's that have made this work have found the environments nearest them with lots of women, low competition, and other factors that work best for them, and have found the best way to approach for those environments).

That's pretty much it. HFA's get destroyed in pretty much every other type of environment, unless of course they find some other specific ecological niche to exploit that works for them but it's important to understand one's strengths.

 

[pizza]

To add.

Blackpillers miss the point, and are "wrong" regularly, on the matter of: low inhib/extraversion/effortmaxxing (socially).
And are "wrong", on mocking guys that chat up women and get blown out. They do that alot.

At 1 point, they make fun or CRINGE hard, of a dude trying, to chat up a woman. And on the other hand they say, be low inhib.
Wellpart of being low inhib, is chatting up womens, shooting the shit with womens, and getting blown out plenty (most) of times as well.

An extravert/low inhib = not more attractive. Attractivenes = looks mostly. That the blackpill has correct.

But, it's just mathematics. What they seem to not be able to do.

for examples.
Lets say:
- 2 high tier normie dudes, both fancie 1000 women they come across in daily life, each year.
- And 2% of these women find him attractive/bangeable also and are single/available.

*The extravarted/Low inhib dude. Chats up 200 of them (1000, and let the other 800 slide) in a year, and gets to lay 4 women. Yet he gets laughed at by blackpiller, the 196 times he got rejected/excused/etc.. And they say it's over, and he should had never tried. But than these blackpillers admire him when he has a double digits laycount. WTF?
* The high inhib dude, coping with the blackpill believe that women will approach him if they find him hot. Chats up 20 of them in a year, and gets to lay 0 women.

2 equally attractive men. Different laycount. And NOT because of one being more attractive than the other.
Just because equal "success rate" but more swings means higher amount of success scores.

In honor ofthe ultimate low inhib maxxed, chatting up womens homeless dude. Whom had to , and did it. because he needed a place to sleep.
Anyone can LOL or say "cringe" to him with each rejection, when he is shooting the shit with every bangeable woman that he came across that day. But he was banging a new onea few times per week.

that's why statusmaxx is so important, because you can reach more women who find you attractive

 

[weallburninhell]

The importance of NT Part 1

​

What is Neurotypical (NT)?

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“Neurotypical” is a newer term that is used to describe individuals of typical developmental, intellectual, and cognitive abilities.

Neurotypical usually refers to someone who is non-autistic, anyone who does not have asperges, or any other form of autism. A whose persons neurological state are typical, conforming to what most people would perceive as normal. People whose neurological development are atypical are described neurodivergent.

Is being Neurotypical (NT) important in dating?

Arguably one of the most important parts in dating is not being autistic and being as neurotypical as possible.

Here are some brutal NTpilled studies:

69% of high functioning autistic adolescents want relationships, but almost none succeed [1]

• 69.2% of adolescents with high functioning autism expressed the desire for a dating relationship.
• 73.1% with high functioning autism expressed attraction to someone of the opposite sex, and 10.0% to the same sex.
• However, only 7.7% of this high functioning autistic cohort reported having had a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, and 1.5% with someone of the same sex.
• Only 1.5% of the group had sex.

44.6% of high functioning adult autistic men remain virgins, despite high sex/relationship drive [2] [3]

• Male ASD participants reported more frequent masturbation than male healthy controls (HCs) (P < 0.01).
• ASD men reported a greater sexual desire for sexual intercourse than their HC counterparts (P < 0.05, Table III).
• Of the individuals with ASD, significantly more women (N = 18; 46.2%) than men (N = 9; 16.1%) were currently in a relationship

In summary autistic males had much more trouble finding relationships then men, and women had it easier because of their inherent reproductive value.

Autists are judged as awkward, less physically attractive and less approachable within seconds [4] [5]

Emotional expressiveness may have evolved due to the necessity for social organization in groups of humans. Proper expression of emotion is crucial for navigating and ascending social hierarchies; hence there is a selection pressure for sexual preferences to avoid non-neurotypical individuals. Such non-neurotypicals may also tend to be ineffective coalition partners. Further, atypical behaviour may have served as an indicator of neurodegenerative infectious diseases in the past, often enough that humans evolved a natural aversion. Brutal women have an innate preference for neurotypical men.

Teenage boys with ADHD have double the amount of sexual partners vs. 'normal' teens [6] [7] [8]

• Compared to individuals without ADHD, those with ADHD were significantly more likely to become parents at age 12-15 (IRR for females: 3.62 [95%CI 2.14-6.13] and for males: 2.30 [95%CI 1.27-4.17]) and at age 16-19 (IRR for females: 1.94 [95%CI 1.62-2.33] and for males: 2.27 [95%CI 1.90-2.70]). (Østergaard et al., 2017)
• Adolescents with ADHD reported having more romantic partners than their typically developing (TD) peers. Females with ADHD were found to have shorter romantic relationships than TD adolescents while males with ADHD reported their age of first intercourse to be nearly 2 years sooner than TD peers. Irrespective of gender, adolescents with ADHD had nearly double the number of lifetime sexual partners. (Rokeach & Weiner, 2014)
• Psychopathy and ADHD both have impulsive elements that may explain overlap of the two. A 2010 study indicated that children with ADHD inattentive type and combined type were rated by teachers as having elevated levels of psychopathic and callous-unemotional traits as well as lower educational performance (DeLisi et al., 2010). In 2013, DeLisi found that children with both ADHD and conduct disorder scored higher than their peers on psychopathic personality features and also noted that thrill-seeking and impulsiveness showed to be the strongest classification variables for delinquency and violent delinquency at the 90th percentiles. (Bodalski, 2017)

In summary teenage boys with ADHD are lower inhib and more extroverted and had sex much more then normal teenage boys, this proves the importance of low inhib in social interactions with women.

TL DR: Autism is near death sentence in dating and meeting the opposite sex for men primarily, men with ADHD who have some overlap with psychopathic traits are much more impulsive and more likely to have sex much earlier then their teenage peers. This had no overlap with looks.

The problem with Tinder and online dating as a basis for blackpill theory
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The distribution of tinder users by gender is very skewed where there is barely any women on the entire thing, and a majority of men. About nearly 80% of men competing with 20% women, this isn’t indicative of real life at all, where most women will be looking for ONS and are low class. And I can safely assume that most women use bumble, tinder etc as a way for the sole purpose of validation and dopamine.

And now lets look how at how much people are using tinder in the USA?
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Most recently there was only 7.86 million users in the entire USA using tinder, the most popular online dating app.
View attachment 839807

Less then 2% of the population even uses tinder, so online dating for any of your claims is fundamentally flawed, there is no way this app is indicative of real life.

Thats why saying there is hypergamy is stupid because tinder cannot be used as a basis for dating as the gender ratios are horrible, its like getting rid of 30% of women from the equation, and leaves out other factors. Hypergamy doesn't exist.


How most relationships start


We have already covered no one uses tinder and the gender ratios are skewed. Now lets have a look at how relationship met.
Today’s daters are taking matters into their own hands. Seemingly no longer satisfied with the potential partners that life throws at them at work, in school and in their circle of friends, an increasingly large number of heterosexual daters is opting to meet their partner online.

Surveys carried out and analyzed by Stanford University show that between 1995 and 2017 the number of heterosexuals who met their partner on the internet rose sharply from 2 percent to 39 percent. With the help of dating apps like Tinder and eHarmony, but also through social networking sites like Facebook, daters reconnected with old friends and acquaintances (8 percent of couples who met online), were introduced to someone (11 percent) or – in the majority of cases – met someone completely new on their own (81 percent).

The authors of the survey concluded that the main draw of looking for a stranger online was a larger set of choices than when leveraging friends and family, which was especially useful when “searching for something unusual or hard‐to‐find.“ In a similar vein, meeting your partner in a bar or restaurant was also on the rise between 1995 and 2017.

Stanford researchers excluded homosexuals from their analysis because they constitute a minority sexual orientation, making meeting someone online a more obvious choice for them than for heterosexuals. These were usually in a “thick dating market” (quote from Stanford) and therefore normally also able to identify several potential mates in their offline lives, according to the research.
View attachment 839808
What we learn from above is that barely anyone meets through e-harmony and tinder, but most people through social mutual on Instagram, Facebook or snap. The next major way is to have a social group and meet through friends IRL. Or meet through bars/restaurant, then meeting through work, school/college and through family. No one meets through tinder or online dating.

If you’re below average to average being neurotypical should help you a lot, in the next thread I will cover on how to become more neurotypical and get out of this mental asylum of a forum. It will cover things such as curing social anxiety with phenibut and shit like that, if anyone would like to help please pm me.

Im not an incel im a normie in looks or maybe even a bit below but I have had girl interested in me despite this.

https://looksmax.org/threads/im-a-slayer.250902/

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I still advise looksmaxxing and gymmaxxing but psl 4.5 is what everyone should aim for, to have the optimal dating experience irl.

Tags
@rockndogs @Lasko123 @Goblin
@JackSparrow @lutte @MedAncientGod @RoundHouse @Fuckmachine
@Boldandbeautiful @WadlowMaxxing

how about add? (Adhd but inattentive and introvert) i have that thing im socially fuck up

 

[Deleted member 3270]

WDF!!!! i get nothing!!!

Well I noticed I'm a lot different than other people with ADHD

They seem to be very outgoing for some reason, and not riddled with chronic anxiety like me

I always envied them

Most ADHD people have hyperactive ADHD. A minority (usually girls but also some abused-dog males) have inattentive ADHD. We were cursed from the start

 

[Deleted member 3679]

What if I have depression, anxiety, ADHD, and aspergers? Am I fucked... or am I fucked???

 

[stevielake]

@zenlife

 

[Deleted member 24262]

@zenlife

Good thread

But with some good strategies, NTpassing is still possible

And every case is different; that's the difficult part

 

[T50 Mogger]

Teenage boys with ADHD have double the amount of sexual partners vs. 'normal' teens [6] [7] [8]

In summary teenage boys with ADHD are lower inhib and more extroverted and had sex much more then normal teenage boys, this proves the importance of low inhib in social interactions with women.

Can confirm. My brother has ADHD and I had Asperger's growing up. We are both of the same attractiveness physically, he is an overachiever and I'm an underachiever.

 

[infini]

Absolute childish disaster of a thread all due to the ending twist. Another clueless literal kid talking about cutting corner theories instead of experiencing reality for what it is. @eduardkoopman's example of the "homeless" guy makes complete sense when he has all purpose for why to do it. When you are at your worst or most difficult situation you can inadvertently become the hardest working, most-driven person compared to all those rotting around you.

dead thread anyway

 

[Codeinlover]

jfl if you think i'm reading any of that shit

The importance of NT Part 1

​

What is Neurotypical (NT)?

View attachment 839817
“Neurotypical” is a newer term that is used to describe individuals of typical developmental, intellectual, and cognitive abilities.

Neurotypical usually refers to someone who is non-autistic, anyone who does not have asperges, or any other form of autism. A whose persons neurological state are typical, conforming to what most people would perceive as normal. People whose neurological development are atypical are described neurodivergent.

Is being Neurotypical (NT) important in dating?

Arguably one of the most important parts in dating is not being autistic and being as neurotypical as possible.

Here are some brutal NTpilled studies:

69% of high functioning autistic adolescents want relationships, but almost none succeed [1]

• 69.2% of adolescents with high functioning autism expressed the desire for a dating relationship.
• 73.1% with high functioning autism expressed attraction to someone of the opposite sex, and 10.0% to the same sex.
• However, only 7.7% of this high functioning autistic cohort reported having had a relationship with someone of the opposite sex, and 1.5% with someone of the same sex.
• Only 1.5% of the group had sex.

44.6% of high functioning adult autistic men remain virgins, despite high sex/relationship drive [2] [3]

• Male ASD participants reported more frequent masturbation than male healthy controls (HCs) (P < 0.01).
• ASD men reported a greater sexual desire for sexual intercourse than their HC counterparts (P < 0.05, Table III).
• Of the individuals with ASD, significantly more women (N = 18; 46.2%) than men (N = 9; 16.1%) were currently in a relationship

In summary autistic males had much more trouble finding relationships then men, and women had it easier because of their inherent reproductive value.

Autists are judged as awkward, less physically attractive and less approachable within seconds [4] [5]

Emotional expressiveness may have evolved due to the necessity for social organization in groups of humans. Proper expression of emotion is crucial for navigating and ascending social hierarchies; hence there is a selection pressure for sexual preferences to avoid non-neurotypical individuals. Such non-neurotypicals may also tend to be ineffective coalition partners. Further, atypical behaviour may have served as an indicator of neurodegenerative infectious diseases in the past, often enough that humans evolved a natural aversion. Brutal women have an innate preference for neurotypical men.

Teenage boys with ADHD have double the amount of sexual partners vs. 'normal' teens [6] [7] [8]

• Compared to individuals without ADHD, those with ADHD were significantly more likely to become parents at age 12-15 (IRR for females: 3.62 [95%CI 2.14-6.13] and for males: 2.30 [95%CI 1.27-4.17]) and at age 16-19 (IRR for females: 1.94 [95%CI 1.62-2.33] and for males: 2.27 [95%CI 1.90-2.70]). (Østergaard et al., 2017)
• Adolescents with ADHD reported having more romantic partners than their typically developing (TD) peers. Females with ADHD were found to have shorter romantic relationships than TD adolescents while males with ADHD reported their age of first intercourse to be nearly 2 years sooner than TD peers. Irrespective of gender, adolescents with ADHD had nearly double the number of lifetime sexual partners. (Rokeach & Weiner, 2014)
• Psychopathy and ADHD both have impulsive elements that may explain overlap of the two. A 2010 study indicated that children with ADHD inattentive type and combined type were rated by teachers as having elevated levels of psychopathic and callous-unemotional traits as well as lower educational performance (DeLisi et al., 2010). In 2013, DeLisi found that children with both ADHD and conduct disorder scored higher than their peers on psychopathic personality features and also noted that thrill-seeking and impulsiveness showed to be the strongest classification variables for delinquency and violent delinquency at the 90th percentiles. (Bodalski, 2017)

In summary teenage boys with ADHD are lower inhib and more extroverted and had sex much more then normal teenage boys, this proves the importance of low inhib in social interactions with women.

TL DR: Autism is near death sentence in dating and meeting the opposite sex for men primarily, men with ADHD who have some overlap with psychopathic traits are much more impulsive and more likely to have sex much earlier then their teenage peers. This had no overlap with looks.

The problem with Tinder and online dating as a basis for blackpill theory
View attachment 839803
The distribution of tinder users by gender is very skewed where there is barely any women on the entire thing, and a majority of men. About nearly 80% of men competing with 20% women, this isn’t indicative of real life at all, where most women will be looking for ONS and are low class. And I can safely assume that most women use bumble, tinder etc as a way for the sole purpose of validation and dopamine.

And now lets look how at how much people are using tinder in the USA?
View attachment 839805
Most recently there was only 7.86 million users in the entire USA using tinder, the most popular online dating app.
View attachment 839807

Less then 2% of the population even uses tinder, so online dating for any of your claims is fundamentally flawed, there is no way this app is indicative of real life.

Thats why saying there is hypergamy is stupid because tinder cannot be used as a basis for dating as the gender ratios are horrible, its like getting rid of 30% of women from the equation, and leaves out other factors. Hypergamy doesn't exist.


How most relationships start


We have already covered no one uses tinder and the gender ratios are skewed. Now lets have a look at how relationship met.
Today’s daters are taking matters into their own hands. Seemingly no longer satisfied with the potential partners that life throws at them at work, in school and in their circle of friends, an increasingly large number of heterosexual daters is opting to meet their partner online.

Surveys carried out and analyzed by Stanford University show that between 1995 and 2017 the number of heterosexuals who met their partner on the internet rose sharply from 2 percent to 39 percent. With the help of dating apps like Tinder and eHarmony, but also through social networking sites like Facebook, daters reconnected with old friends and acquaintances (8 percent of couples who met online), were introduced to someone (11 percent) or – in the majority of cases – met someone completely new on their own (81 percent).

The authors of the survey concluded that the main draw of looking for a stranger online was a larger set of choices than when leveraging friends and family, which was especially useful when “searching for something unusual or hard‐to‐find.“ In a similar vein, meeting your partner in a bar or restaurant was also on the rise between 1995 and 2017.

Stanford researchers excluded homosexuals from their analysis because they constitute a minority sexual orientation, making meeting someone online a more obvious choice for them than for heterosexuals. These were usually in a “thick dating market” (quote from Stanford) and therefore normally also able to identify several potential mates in their offline lives, according to the research.
View attachment 839808
What we learn from above is that barely anyone meets through e-harmony and tinder, but most people through social mutual on Instagram, Facebook or snap. The next major way is to have a social group and meet through friends IRL. Or meet through bars/restaurant, then meeting through work, school/college and through family. No one meets through tinder or online dating.

If you’re below average to average being neurotypical should help you a lot, in the next thread I will cover on how to become more neurotypical and get out of this mental asylum of a forum. It will cover things such as curing social anxiety with phenibut and shit like that, if anyone would like to help please pm me.

Im not an incel im a normie in looks or maybe even a bit below but I have had girl interested in me despite this.

https://looksmax.org/threads/im-a-slayer.250902/

View attachment 839814
I still advise looksmaxxing and gymmaxxing but psl 4.5 is what everyone should aim for, to have the optimal dating experience irl.

Tags
@rockndogs @Lasko123 @Goblin
@JackSparrow @lutte @MedAncientGod @RoundHouse @Fuckmachine
@Boldandbeautiful @WadlowMaxxing

I’m extremely low inhib with adhd lmfao if only I snore at night I’d be Chad like when younger Fuark

 

[eduardkoopman]

Absolute childish disaster of a thread all due to the ending twist. Another clueless literal kid talking about cutting corner theories instead of experiencing reality for what it is. @eduardkoopman's example of the "homeless" guy makes complete sense when he has all purpose for why to do it. When you are at your worst or most difficult situation you can inadvertently become the hardest working, most-driven person compared to all those rotting around you.

dead thread anyway

Lol, at having read and dugg up an old thread.
Still, looking back, muh reply here in this thread was good. If a dude is not a famous chad (maybe even when he is, for better quality), you gotta be pro-active as a dude. Which basically means, starting up convos with women and at some point asking them for a meetup 1-on-1 or maybe group meetup can also be okay-ish to great depending on how it's setup.

I don't understand dudes, dogging on dudes for trying to chat up women and getting rejected . That is normal. It's only stupid, when guys keep pushing and pestering after the rejection/getting ignored/low interest response from a woman. You gotta have some standards and self respect as a dude, to only want women in your life that are interested in you.

To add.

Blackpillers miss the point, and are "wrong" regularly, on the matter of: low inhib/extraversion/effortmaxxing (socially).
And are "wrong", on mocking guys that chat up women and get blown out. They do that alot.

At 1 point, they make fun or CRINGE hard, of a dude trying, to chat up a woman. And on the other hand they say, be low inhib.
Wellpart of being low inhib, is chatting up womens, shooting the shit with womens, and getting blown out plenty (most) of times as well.

An extravert/low inhib = not more attractive. Attractivenes = looks mostly. That the blackpill has correct.

But, it's just mathematics. What they seem to not be able to do.

for examples.
Lets say:
- 2 high tier normie dudes, both fancie 1000 women they come across in daily life, each year.
- And 2% of these women find him attractive/bangeable also and are single/available.

*The extravarted/Low inhib dude. Chats up 200 of them (1000, and let the other 800 slide) in a year, and gets to lay 4 women. Yet he gets laughed at by blackpiller, the 196 times he got rejected/excused/etc.. And they say it's over, and he should had never tried. But than these blackpillers admire him when he has a double digits laycount. WTF?
* The high inhib dude, coping with the blackpill believe that women will approach him if they find him hot. Chats up 20 of them in a year, and gets to lay 0 women.

2 equally attractive men. Different laycount. And NOT because of one being more attractive than the other.
Just because equal "success rate" but more swings means higher amount of success scores.

In honor ofthe ultimate low inhib maxxed, chatting up womens homeless dude. Whom had to , and did it. because he needed a place to sleep.
Anyone can LOL or say "cringe" to him with each rejection, when he is shooting the shit with every bangeable woman that he came across that day. But he was banging a new onea few times per week.

 

[infini]

Lol, at having read and dugg up an old thread.
Still, looking back, muh reply here in this thread was good. If a dude is not a famous chad (maybe even when he is, for better quality), you gotta be pro-active as a dude. Which basically means, starting up convos with women and at some point asking them for a meetup 1-on-1 or maybe group meetup can also be okay-ish to great depending on how it's setup.

I don't understand dudes, dogging on dudes for trying to chat up women and getting rejected . That is normal. It's only stupid, when guys keep pushing and pestering after the rejection/getting ignored/low interest response from a woman. You gotta have some standards and self respect as a dude, to only want women in your life that are interested in you.

Sadly I’ve noticed only now in my life that you can’t wait for perfection in order to make it. If I ever have to double text, it’s only if the second is unrelated and from a different time, different situation etc as a testing the waters on where you stand. When that fails then you know it’s totally over with that person.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Sadly I’ve noticed only now in my life that you can’t wait for perfection in order to make it.

just strive to improve imo. Point of perfection will 99.999% likely never be achieved. Most all off us, are full with plenty flaws. Most people, pointing out flaws in others as a reason for rejecting them Most often themselves have equal big flaws or are even way worse.

If I ever have to double text, it’s only if the second is unrelated and from a different time, different situation etc as a testing the waters on where you stand. When that fails then you know it’s totally over with that person.

True that.
It's over than, and also better assume it's over. Try to life ones best life. Maybe that person comes around later on, due to that. Than make them chase you, as proof, and to balance shit it.
Being the chaser, the lesser one, in a relationship, is a bad idea in general

 

[infini]

just strive to improve imo. Point of perfection will 99.999% likely never be achieved. Most all off us, are full with plenty flaws. Most people, pointing out flaws in others as a reason for rejecting them Most often themselves have equal big flaws or are even way worse.

Depends on scenario with flaws you could always ask. Just know the risk.

True that.
It's over than, and also better assume it's over. Try to life ones best life. Maybe that person comes around later on, due to that. Than make them chase you, as proof, and to balance shit it.
Being the chaser, the lesser one, in a relationship, is a bad idea in general

With that said, I was referring to first impressions, post-cold approach contacts and general self-respect/ NT. Relationships are a different beast altogether. And I mean real ones, not 3-month fluffs. At that point it's not about balance, it's about sending the message. Everything burns.