The importance of maxilla and why most people fail to rate properly (High IQ only)

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Introduction

The importance of upper and lower maxilla has been noted in many threads but it is good to have a little reminder.


I am a big maxilla believer (by that I mean upper maxilla and mandible). I will propose a thesis, expose fraudsters amongst PSL gods and try to guide new (and old) users to rating more precisely.



Forward Growth


Forward growth is a staple of attractive faces. Healthy faces should grow forward which indicates health and is also imposing (as your face takes more space; also the reason why big skulls are more attractive).

I truly believe it is extremely hard to be consider very attractive in motion without good maxillary projection. It's a trait that seperates attractive people from unattractive the most.



So why are Chico and Bassi considered "PSL Gods" ?



Men amongst gods


The answer to the proposed question lies in how we look at people we judge. The pictures we rate from are still, frozen in time and almost always frontal. It's a flawed method.

People are always moving, changing facial expressions, and most people don't fit the same looks level from different angles.

Forward growth does help you look better from a frontal view too, but it's real importance is in motion.

That brings us to 2 most overrated 'psl gods' in my opinion. I can understand Chico's popularity and appeal more because he has a huge skull with no real falios and incredible symmetry and harmony. He is pleasant to look at from the front.

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Here we have Chico from different angles. Does he look equally good from all of these? Is he the same looks level, same percantage of rarity looks-wise from every angle?

The answer is of course no. In fact most wouldn't even recognise him from side view (here people would because that picture is famous in its own). His poor forward growth makes his 3/4 look quite average aswell as there is no needed depth and his symmetry and soft features are less noticeable.


That's because upper maxilla and mandible projection mogs in motion. While symmetry, jaw width, and good proportions mog in frontal view.



Let's decimate Basso real quick.

Honestly :lul: if you think Basso is peak male aesthetics. It was actually hard to find his profile and 3/4 view without him tilting his head (even he knows he is deformed).

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Peak male :lul::lul::lul::lul:


His side profile is so garbage I feel bad for him. What a fraud. 3/4 is a bit better because his abnormal zygos (his biggest halo) is making his ogee curve pronounced. It's still laughable because upper maxilla absolutely mogs from angles between front and side. That's our next topic.



Upper Maxilla will always be underrated




Upper maxilla is the absolute key to aesthetics in real life. There are many good threads about this and it's absolutely true.


The reason it will always be underrated even here is because it has a motion dependent value and we judge mostly from the front.

Subject 1: Jordan Barret.


Barret is a good example of someone with too much upper maxillary projection which is then leaning to too feminine and that's why he gets all the hate. But I will use him as a positive example of a good upper maxilla and how it helps him look attracitve from various angles which translates to real life.

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I know none of the pictures I used are candid but we are focusing strictly on bones now.
I would say he looks equally good from every angle.

Now look at this bizzare angle Chico would never take a picture from because he has no upper maxilla.

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To no suprise Barret looks great from here aswell, even better than from other angles I would say.

That's because upper maxilla mogs in every angle; but especially close to 60 degrees.
That's my thesis at least.

Subject 2 : Chace Crawford


I don't think anyone has ever thought of Crawford as a giga mogger (maybe teens watching Gossip Girl ) but he looks insane in motion due to his developed maxilla.

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Looks better from other angles than from the front. Obviously his frontal is lacking a bit and his forward growth is excellent which makes him look better in motion.

And here is the 60 degree view I think exaggerates upper maxilla's worth the most.

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Now let's go back to chico 3/4 shot
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:lul::lul::lul::lul::lul: Point proven.






Can't win without mandible



For the upper maxilla havers that don't have developed mandibles to match- I am sorry.
Unless you're a female then noone would notice of course :lul:.

I struggled to find examples of this. I found this "mewing ascension". Looks like a posture + looksmaxxing change but it's irrelevant at the moment. The point is that a nicely developed upper maxilla requires better developed mandible. He went from subhuman to htn because his mandible now isn't too far back.

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Having a great upper maxillary projection isn't enough on it's own (nothing is for men). It actually makes your recessed mandible even more of a falio. So before you celebrate good upper maxilla, please notice the lack of mandible protrusion and you will realise why women still hate you. We need everything.



Ideal


So what is ideal? Top tier advancement of both with overall maesthetic features (to avoid the Barret trap ; being too feminine).


2 absolute giga chads come to mind. 2 of the best looking men I have seen pictures of.


If you learned anything pause here and guess.



















It's Hexum and Stepanov of course.

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They look absolutely insane from every angle. Good development of both upper maxilla and the mandible makes you a giga chad by default.
If Chico and Basso ever went near these 2 they would cease to exist; their SMV would drop to 0.


You can't mog forward growth in motion with gook faces. It is not possible.



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Please take facial depth more into consideration when rating.
 

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how tf can u tell if u have a good upper maxilla

ik my lower is good but i have no clue abt my upper
 
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Some niggas' maxillas just ain't maxillin'

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how tf can u tell if u have a good upper maxilla

ik my lower is good but i have no clue abt my upper
I have seen just 1 picture of you and to me it looks like your upper maxilla is well developed.

Great mandible projection somewhat negates upper maxilla in a way that it often puts you into maesthtic teritory, while weaker mandible on a greatly developed upper maxilla puts you into pretty boy teritory (Barret, Crawford) Both have good mandibles but yours looks more developed and taller therefore more maesthetic.

What's ideal for you depends on soft features and a 100 different things because aesthetics are very complicated.


But I wouldn't worry, your forward growth looks close to ideal to me.
 
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Nice
 
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Best argument I have seen for maxilla in one image
 
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Introduction

The importance of upper and lower maxilla has been noted in many threads but it is good to have a little reminder.


I am a big maxilla believer (by that I mean upper maxilla and mandible). I will propose a thesis, expose fraudsters amongst PSL gods and try to guide new (and old) users to rating more precisely.




Forward Growth


Forward growth is a staple of attractive faces. Healthy faces should grow forward which indicates health and is also imposing (as your face takes more space; also the reason why big skulls are more attractive).

I truly believe it is extremely hard to be consider very attractive in motion without good maxillary projection. It's a trait that seperates attractive people from unattractive the most.



So why are Chico and Bassi considered "PSL Gods" ?




Men amongst gods


The answer to the proposed question lies in how we look at people we judge. The pictures we rate from are still, frozen in time and almost always frontal. It's a flawed method.

People are always moving, changing facial expressions, and most people don't fit the same looks level from different angles.

Forward growth does help you look better from a frontal view too, but it's real importance is in motion.

That brings us to 2 most overrated 'psl gods' in my opinion. I can understand Chico's popularity and appeal more because he has a huge skull with no real falios and incredible symmetry and harmony. He is pleasant to look at from the front.

View attachment 2977887


Here we have Chico from different angles. Does he look equally good from all of these? Is he the same looks level, same percantage of rarity looks-wise from every angle?

The answer is of course no. In fact most wouldn't even recognise him from side view (here people would because that picture is famous in its own). His poor forward growth makes his 3/4 look quite average aswell as there is no needed depth and his symmetry and soft features are less noticeable.


That's because upper maxilla and mandible projection mogs in motion. While symmetry, jaw width, and good proportions mog in frontal view.



Let's decimate Basso real quick.

Honestly :lul: if you think Basso is peak male aesthetics. It was actually hard to find his profile and 3/4 view without him tilting his head (even he knows he is deformed).

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Peak male :lul::lul::lul::lul:


His side profile is so garbage I feel bad for him. What a fraud. 3/4 is a bit better because his abnormal zygos (his biggest halo) is making his ogee curve pronounced. It's still laughable because upper maxilla absolutely mogs from angles between front and side. That's our next topic.



Upper Maxilla will always be underrated




Upper maxilla is the absolute key to aesthetics in real life. There are many good threads about this and it's absolutely true.


The reason it will always be underrated even here is because it has a motion dependent value and we judge mostly from the front.

Subject 1: Jordan Barret.


Barret is a good example of someone with too much upper maxillary projection which is then leaning to too feminine and that's why he gets all the hate. But I will use him as a positive example of a good upper maxilla and how it helps him look attracitve from various angles which translates to real life.

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I know none of the pictures I used are candid but we are focusing strictly on bones now.
I would say he looks equally good from every angle.

Now look at this bizzare angle Chico would never take a picture from because he has no upper maxilla.

View attachment 2977819

To no suprise Barret looks great from here aswell, even better than from other angles I would say.

That's because upper maxilla mogs in every angle; but especially close to 60 degrees.
That's my thesis at least.

Subject 2 : Chace Crawford


I don't think anyone has ever thought of Crawford as a giga mogger (maybe teens watching Gossip Girl ) but he looks insane in motion due to his developed maxilla.

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Looks better from other angles than from the front. Obviously his frontal is lacking a bit and his forward growth is excellent which makes him look better in motion.

And here is the 60 degree view I think exaggerates upper maxilla's worth the most.

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Now let's go back to chico 3/4 shotView attachment 2977828


:lul::lul::lul::lul::lul: Point proven.






Can't win without mandible



For the upper maxilla havers that don't have developed mandibles to match- I am sorry.
Unless you're a female then noone would notice of course :lul:.

I struggled to find examples of this. I found this "mewing ascension". Looks like a posture + looksmaxxing change but it's irrelevant at the moment. The point is that a nicely developed upper maxilla requires better developed mandible. He went from subhuman to htn because his mandible now isn't too far back.

View attachment 2977849

Having a great upper maxillary projection isn't enough on it's own (nothing is for men). It actually makes your recessed mandible even more of a falio. So before you celebrate good upper maxilla, please notice the lack of mandible protrusion and you will realise why women still hate you. We need everything.



Ideal


So what is ideal? Top tier advancement of both with overall maesthetic features (to avoid the Barret trap ; being too feminine).


2 absolute giga chads come to mind. 2 of the best looking men I have seen pictures of.


If you learned anything pause here and guess.



















It's Hexum and Stepanov of course.

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They look absolutely insane from every angle. Good development of both upper maxilla and the mandible makes you a giga chad by default.
If Chico and Basso ever went near these 2 they would cease to exist; their SMV would drop to 0.


You can't mog forward growth in motion with gook faces. It is not possible.



For raters



Please take facial depth more into consideration when rating.
No offence if ur black but why do most blacks look so bad even though they have excessively grown maxillas?
 
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Great post Hexum and Stepanov are the ultimate gigachads
 
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How long are you going to beef with snake :lul::lul:
:feelshmm::feelshmm::feelshmm:

Idk nigga this shit funny af. I know he's out there seeing all this raging like an emotional faggot unable to do anything about it. It's nice to remind that nigga how I basically cucked him to oblivion :forcedsmile:
 
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No offence if ur black but why do most blacks look so bad even though they have excessively grown maxillas?
Because they often (almost always) have recessed mandibles.
 
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Keep making more threads bro
 
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@Pei
 
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i think you are confusing some of the zygomatic forward growth with upper maxilla, thats what barret had that others dont
 
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No explanation on how to analyze if the maxilla is good or not? Just vague eyeballing?
 
No explanation on how to analyze if the maxilla is good or not? Just vague eyeballing?
There are tons of threads focusing on that.

The most accurate measurement imo is drawing a triangle between eye and bottom of the nose (looking from the side).
It is a method proposed in BOTB thread.


Personally I think it's quite easy to notice developed maxillas, it can be tricky from the front but from any other angle it becomes quite obvious.
 
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I have and insane 3/4 and decent side profile htn front
 
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pitt has a flat maxilla
 
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There are tons of threads focusing on that.

The most accurate measurement imo is drawing a triangle between eye and bottom of the nose (looking from the side).
It is a method proposed in BOTB thread.


Personally I think it's quite easy to notice developed maxillas, it can be tricky from the front but from any other angle it becomes quite obvious.
It's not tho. I've sent my side profile to many people here and in other communities. A couple people said my maxilla is average. Some people said it was even below average because my infras are recessed. And some people said i have "insane maxilla projection almost too much" lol.
 
Drago and Hexum is a better example take Stepanov out
 
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How good is my forward growth?
 
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It's not tho. I've sent my side profile to many people here and in other communities. A couple people said my maxilla is average. Some people said it was even below average because my infras are recessed. And some people said i have "insane maxilla projection almost too much" lol.
What would you say about mine you rated me a few days ago
 
 
how tf can u tell if u have a good upper maxilla

ik my lower is good but i have no clue abt my upper
philtrum side shape, nose placement in relation to mouth


and oml youd be stacy if not for 1 chromosome :feelswhy: imagine your life
 
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Introduction

The importance of upper and lower maxilla has been noted in many threads but it is good to have a little reminder.


I am a big maxilla believer (by that I mean upper maxilla and mandible). I will propose a thesis, expose fraudsters amongst PSL gods and try to guide new (and old) users to rating more precisely.




Forward Growth


Forward growth is a staple of attractive faces. Healthy faces should grow forward which indicates health and is also imposing (as your face takes more space; also the reason why big skulls are more attractive).

I truly believe it is extremely hard to be consider very attractive in motion without good maxillary projection. It's a trait that seperates attractive people from unattractive the most.



So why are Chico and Bassi considered "PSL Gods" ?




Men amongst gods


The answer to the proposed question lies in how we look at people we judge. The pictures we rate from are still, frozen in time and almost always frontal. It's a flawed method.

People are always moving, changing facial expressions, and most people don't fit the same looks level from different angles.

Forward growth does help you look better from a frontal view too, but it's real importance is in motion.

That brings us to 2 most overrated 'psl gods' in my opinion. I can understand Chico's popularity and appeal more because he has a huge skull with no real falios and incredible symmetry and harmony. He is pleasant to look at from the front.

View attachment 2977887


Here we have Chico from different angles. Does he look equally good from all of these? Is he the same looks level, same percantage of rarity looks-wise from every angle?

The answer is of course no. In fact most wouldn't even recognise him from side view (here people would because that picture is famous in its own). His poor forward growth makes his 3/4 look quite average aswell as there is no needed depth and his symmetry and soft features are less noticeable.


That's because upper maxilla and mandible projection mogs in motion. While symmetry, jaw width, and good proportions mog in frontal view.



Let's decimate Basso real quick.

Honestly :lul: if you think Basso is peak male aesthetics. It was actually hard to find his profile and 3/4 view without him tilting his head (even he knows he is deformed).

View attachment 2977783
View attachment 2977786

Peak male :lul::lul::lul::lul:


His side profile is so garbage I feel bad for him. What a fraud. 3/4 is a bit better because his abnormal zygos (his biggest halo) is making his ogee curve pronounced. It's still laughable because upper maxilla absolutely mogs from angles between front and side. That's our next topic.



Upper Maxilla will always be underrated




Upper maxilla is the absolute key to aesthetics in real life. There are many good threads about this and it's absolutely true.


The reason it will always be underrated even here is because it has a motion dependent value and we judge mostly from the front.

Subject 1: Jordan Barret.


Barret is a good example of someone with too much upper maxillary projection which is then leaning to too feminine and that's why he gets all the hate. But I will use him as a positive example of a good upper maxilla and how it helps him look attracitve from various angles which translates to real life.

View attachment 2977809
View attachment 2977815View attachment 2977816


I know none of the pictures I used are candid but we are focusing strictly on bones now.
I would say he looks equally good from every angle.

Now look at this bizzare angle Chico would never take a picture from because he has no upper maxilla.

View attachment 2977819

To no suprise Barret looks great from here aswell, even better than from other angles I would say.

That's because upper maxilla mogs in every angle; but especially close to 60 degrees.
That's my thesis at least.

Subject 2 : Chace Crawford


I don't think anyone has ever thought of Crawford as a giga mogger (maybe teens watching Gossip Girl ) but he looks insane in motion due to his developed maxilla.

View attachment 2977841

View attachment 2977842
View attachment 2977843
View attachment 2977845


Looks better from other angles than from the front. Obviously his frontal is lacking a bit and his forward growth is excellent which makes him look better in motion.

And here is the 60 degree view I think exaggerates upper maxilla's worth the most.

View attachment 2977847


Now let's go back to chico 3/4 shotView attachment 2977828


:lul::lul::lul::lul::lul: Point proven.






Can't win without mandible



For the upper maxilla havers that don't have developed mandibles to match- I am sorry.
Unless you're a female then noone would notice of course :lul:.

I struggled to find examples of this. I found this "mewing ascension". Looks like a posture + looksmaxxing change but it's irrelevant at the moment. The point is that a nicely developed upper maxilla requires better developed mandible. He went from subhuman to htn because his mandible now isn't too far back.

View attachment 2977849

Having a great upper maxillary projection isn't enough on it's own (nothing is for men). It actually makes your recessed mandible even more of a falio. So before you celebrate good upper maxilla, please notice the lack of mandible protrusion and you will realise why women still hate you. We need everything.



Ideal


So what is ideal? Top tier advancement of both with overall maesthetic features (to avoid the Barret trap ; being too feminine).


2 absolute giga chads come to mind. 2 of the best looking men I have seen pictures of.


If you learned anything pause here and guess.



















It's Hexum and Stepanov of course.

View attachment 2977870

View attachment 2977873View attachment 2977875
View attachment 2977877View attachment 2977878View attachment 2977879



They look absolutely insane from every angle. Good development of both upper maxilla and the mandible makes you a giga chad by default.
If Chico and Basso ever went near these 2 they would cease to exist; their SMV would drop to 0.


You can't mog forward growth in motion with gook faces. It is not possible.



For raters



Please take facial depth more into consideration when rating.
great post. this helped me realize that my problem is upper maxilla and thats why when i turn my head my cheekbones look flat but projected from the front. guess ill rope :love:
 
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All that matters is how forward the upper maxilla (cheekbones) is. Even then it’s not very important.
 
All that matters is how forward the upper maxilla (cheekbones) is. Even then it’s not very important.
What do you mean "Even then it's not very important." How?

I just explained why it is very important in motion and why people who spend a lot of time on the internet looking at still frontal pictures of faces misrate.
People who go out and socializa a lot put a bigger emphasis on upper maxilla and mandible because it makes you look far better in 3d.
 
What do you mean "Even then it's not very important." How?

I just explained why it is very important in motion and why people who spend a lot of time on the internet looking at still frontal pictures of faces misrate.
People who go out and socializa a lot put a bigger emphasis on upper maxilla and mandible because it makes you look far better in 3d.
Well firstly I didn’t read. Secondly, everyone has a forward maxilla. Get it in your head that it’s a meme.
 
Every pixel, damn i forgot how much of a chad crawford was
 
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same person who said cyclopses can’t be above 6 psl
not that one faggot from before hes not 6 psl, crawford isnt that narrow tbh
 
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Every pixel, damn i forgot how much of a chad crawford was
Crawford's appeal was pretty boy dependant. Upper maxilla is a lot more important for pretty boys.

When he aged, losing hair density and collagen; he descended hard (very expected for pretty boys)


More maesthetic appeal men age better. In hindsight, I could've added a paragraph talking about upper maxillary projection being more important for those with pretty boy appeal (and how it easily fades over time)

But yeah I agree, Crawford in his peak had insane giga chad value to jbs (which is all we aspire to have).
 
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Good thread. for example I have traits that look bad in pictures (asymmetry) however my maxilla is strong, hence I have a lot of slays because i look much more attractive in real life than on pictures due to my maxilla, i have people constantly calling me good looking while i can look very subhuman on a picture.
 
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Introduction

The importance of upper and lower maxilla has been noted in many threads but it is good to have a little reminder.


I am a big maxilla believer (by that I mean upper maxilla and mandible). I will propose a thesis, expose fraudsters amongst PSL gods and try to guide new (and old) users to rating more precisely.




Forward Growth


Forward growth is a staple of attractive faces. Healthy faces should grow forward which indicates health and is also imposing (as your face takes more space; also the reason why big skulls are more attractive).

I truly believe it is extremely hard to be consider very attractive in motion without good maxillary projection. It's a trait that seperates attractive people from unattractive the most.



So why are Chico and Bassi considered "PSL Gods" ?




Men amongst gods


The answer to the proposed question lies in how we look at people we judge. The pictures we rate from are still, frozen in time and almost always frontal. It's a flawed method.

People are always moving, changing facial expressions, and most people don't fit the same looks level from different angles.

Forward growth does help you look better from a frontal view too, but it's real importance is in motion.

That brings us to 2 most overrated 'psl gods' in my opinion. I can understand Chico's popularity and appeal more because he has a huge skull with no real falios and incredible symmetry and harmony. He is pleasant to look at from the front.

View attachment 2977887


Here we have Chico from different angles. Does he look equally good from all of these? Is he the same looks level, same percantage of rarity looks-wise from every angle?

The answer is of course no. In fact most wouldn't even recognise him from side view (here people would because that picture is famous in its own). His poor forward growth makes his 3/4 look quite average aswell as there is no needed depth and his symmetry and soft features are less noticeable.


That's because upper maxilla and mandible projection mogs in motion. While symmetry, jaw width, and good proportions mog in frontal view.



Let's decimate Basso real quick.

Honestly :lul: if you think Basso is peak male aesthetics. It was actually hard to find his profile and 3/4 view without him tilting his head (even he knows he is deformed).

View attachment 2977783
View attachment 2977786

Peak male :lul::lul::lul::lul:


His side profile is so garbage I feel bad for him. What a fraud. 3/4 is a bit better because his abnormal zygos (his biggest halo) is making his ogee curve pronounced. It's still laughable because upper maxilla absolutely mogs from angles between front and side. That's our next topic.



Upper Maxilla will always be underrated




Upper maxilla is the absolute key to aesthetics in real life. There are many good threads about this and it's absolutely true.


The reason it will always be underrated even here is because it has a motion dependent value and we judge mostly from the front.

Subject 1: Jordan Barret.


Barret is a good example of someone with too much upper maxillary projection which is then leaning to too feminine and that's why he gets all the hate. But I will use him as a positive example of a good upper maxilla and how it helps him look attracitve from various angles which translates to real life.

View attachment 2977809
View attachment 2977815View attachment 2977816


I know none of the pictures I used are candid but we are focusing strictly on bones now.
I would say he looks equally good from every angle.

Now look at this bizzare angle Chico would never take a picture from because he has no upper maxilla.

View attachment 2977819

To no suprise Barret looks great from here aswell, even better than from other angles I would say.

That's because upper maxilla mogs in every angle; but especially close to 60 degrees.
That's my thesis at least.

Subject 2 : Chace Crawford


I don't think anyone has ever thought of Crawford as a giga mogger (maybe teens watching Gossip Girl ) but he looks insane in motion due to his developed maxilla.

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Looks better from other angles than from the front. Obviously his frontal is lacking a bit and his forward growth is excellent which makes him look better in motion.

And here is the 60 degree view I think exaggerates upper maxilla's worth the most.

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Now let's go back to chico 3/4 shotView attachment 2977828


:lul::lul::lul::lul::lul: Point proven.






Can't win without mandible



For the upper maxilla havers that don't have developed mandibles to match- I am sorry.
Unless you're a female then noone would notice of course :lul:.

I struggled to find examples of this. I found this "mewing ascension". Looks like a posture + looksmaxxing change but it's irrelevant at the moment. The point is that a nicely developed upper maxilla requires better developed mandible. He went from subhuman to htn because his mandible now isn't too far back.

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Having a great upper maxillary projection isn't enough on it's own (nothing is for men). It actually makes your recessed mandible even more of a falio. So before you celebrate good upper maxilla, please notice the lack of mandible protrusion and you will realise why women still hate you. We need everything.



Ideal


So what is ideal? Top tier advancement of both with overall maesthetic features (to avoid the Barret trap ; being too feminine).


2 absolute giga chads come to mind. 2 of the best looking men I have seen pictures of.


If you learned anything pause here and guess.



















It's Hexum and Stepanov of course.

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They look absolutely insane from every angle. Good development of both upper maxilla and the mandible makes you a giga chad by default.
If Chico and Basso ever went near these 2 they would cease to exist; their SMV would drop to 0.


You can't mog forward growth in motion with gook faces. It is not possible.



For raters



Please take facial depth more into consideration when rating.
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Introduction

The importance of upper and lower maxilla has been noted in many threads but it is good to have a little reminder.


I am a big maxilla believer (by that I mean upper maxilla and mandible). I will propose a thesis, expose fraudsters amongst PSL gods and try to guide new (and old) users to rating more precisely.




Forward Growth


Forward growth is a staple of attractive faces. Healthy faces should grow forward which indicates health and is also imposing (as your face takes more space; also the reason why big skulls are more attractive).

I truly believe it is extremely hard to be consider very attractive in motion without good maxillary projection. It's a trait that seperates attractive people from unattractive the most.



So why are Chico and Bassi considered "PSL Gods" ?




Men amongst gods


The answer to the proposed question lies in how we look at people we judge. The pictures we rate from are still, frozen in time and almost always frontal. It's a flawed method.

People are always moving, changing facial expressions, and most people don't fit the same looks level from different angles.

Forward growth does help you look better from a frontal view too, but it's real importance is in motion.

That brings us to 2 most overrated 'psl gods' in my opinion. I can understand Chico's popularity and appeal more because he has a huge skull with no real falios and incredible symmetry and harmony. He is pleasant to look at from the front.

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Here we have Chico from different angles. Does he look equally good from all of these? Is he the same looks level, same percantage of rarity looks-wise from every angle?

The answer is of course no. In fact most wouldn't even recognise him from side view (here people would because that picture is famous in its own). His poor forward growth makes his 3/4 look quite average aswell as there is no needed depth and his symmetry and soft features are less noticeable.


That's because upper maxilla and mandible projection mogs in motion. While symmetry, jaw width, and good proportions mog in frontal view.



Let's decimate Basso real quick.

Honestly :lul: if you think Basso is peak male aesthetics. It was actually hard to find his profile and 3/4 view without him tilting his head (even he knows he is deformed).

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Peak male :lul::lul::lul::lul:


His side profile is so garbage I feel bad for him. What a fraud. 3/4 is a bit better because his abnormal zygos (his biggest halo) is making his ogee curve pronounced. It's still laughable because upper maxilla absolutely mogs from angles between front and side. That's our next topic.



Upper Maxilla will always be underrated




Upper maxilla is the absolute key to aesthetics in real life. There are many good threads about this and it's absolutely true.


The reason it will always be underrated even here is because it has a motion dependent value and we judge mostly from the front.

Subject 1: Jordan Barret.


Barret is a good example of someone with too much upper maxillary projection which is then leaning to too feminine and that's why he gets all the hate. But I will use him as a positive example of a good upper maxilla and how it helps him look attracitve from various angles which translates to real life.

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I know none of the pictures I used are candid but we are focusing strictly on bones now.
I would say he looks equally good from every angle.

Now look at this bizzare angle Chico would never take a picture from because he has no upper maxilla.

View attachment 2977819

To no suprise Barret looks great from here aswell, even better than from other angles I would say.

That's because upper maxilla mogs in every angle; but especially close to 60 degrees.
That's my thesis at least.

Subject 2 : Chace Crawford


I don't think anyone has ever thought of Crawford as a giga mogger (maybe teens watching Gossip Girl ) but he looks insane in motion due to his developed maxilla.

View attachment 2977841

View attachment 2977842
View attachment 2977843
View attachment 2977845


Looks better from other angles than from the front. Obviously his frontal is lacking a bit and his forward growth is excellent which makes him look better in motion.

And here is the 60 degree view I think exaggerates upper maxilla's worth the most.

View attachment 2977847


Now let's go back to chico 3/4 shotView attachment 2977828


:lul::lul::lul::lul::lul: Point proven.






Can't win without mandible



For the upper maxilla havers that don't have developed mandibles to match- I am sorry.
Unless you're a female then noone would notice of course :lul:.

I struggled to find examples of this. I found this "mewing ascension". Looks like a posture + looksmaxxing change but it's irrelevant at the moment. The point is that a nicely developed upper maxilla requires better developed mandible. He went from subhuman to htn because his mandible now isn't too far back.

View attachment 2977849

Having a great upper maxillary projection isn't enough on it's own (nothing is for men). It actually makes your recessed mandible even more of a falio. So before you celebrate good upper maxilla, please notice the lack of mandible protrusion and you will realise why women still hate you. We need everything.



Ideal


So what is ideal? Top tier advancement of both with overall maesthetic features (to avoid the Barret trap ; being too feminine).


2 absolute giga chads come to mind. 2 of the best looking men I have seen pictures of.


If you learned anything pause here and guess.



















It's Hexum and Stepanov of course.

View attachment 2977870

View attachment 2977873View attachment 2977875
View attachment 2977877View attachment 2977878View attachment 2977879



They look absolutely insane from every angle. Good development of both upper maxilla and the mandible makes you a giga chad by default.
If Chico and Basso ever went near these 2 they would cease to exist; their SMV would drop to 0.


You can't mog forward growth in motion with gook faces. It is not possible.



For raters



Please take facial depth more into consideration when rating.
If that last guy is htn then i am chadlite
 

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