The Islamic dilemma ( over for muslimcels )

[iblamexyz]

fuck me the shitskins are still debating

 

[AppealGod123]

it’s because they’re water if you’re knowledgeable, and they are true too lol, u could have asked instead of ignoring, Surah 5:116, Surah 9:30 off the top of my head retard, I know your shit scripture more than you

No you dont lmao

You only know the TikTok clips you scroll and see, then you use it in your argument not knowing the context

 

[Ahmed88]

Ai slop for sources, which he gave you right sources, its all typed it except for the sources

God will fotgive him i have nothing to do with what be says

just put him on ignore bro

Every single one of his claims is wrong

If he can give me ONE SINGLE (NOT MORE) argument I can't debunk, i will keep arguing or accept defeat other then that im leaving, and you should too

 

[lemureater]

Well let me explain it to you in another way

Well islam cant free all slaves can they? Just with one rule and boom theyre all gone

The closed the doors for owning a slave, for example kidnapping or taking a child or anything, so that means that no new slaves

It had to be gradually, so the rules softened, and they could buy their freedom and get better treatment

And all scholars say that it is forbidden in the modern day, the quran pushes the idea of freeing slaves, meaning the main goal was abolishing slavery

So owning a slave nowadays is haram (not allowed)

scholars dont count as doctrine

using that logic we can use random hadiths and thats dumb

also this argument flops bcs the quran puts an outright ban on stuff like alchol and other addictive substances instead of regulations and gradual abolishment.

moreover, there are stages in development, first is slavery, then feudalism, then capitalism etc

why didnt they apply rules onto a feudal state or upon a capitalist system?

 

[thomasjiooo]

No you dont lmao

You only know the TikTok clips you scroll and see, then you use it in your argument not knowing the context

I mentioned it 3 times yet I don’t see you refuting it boyo

 

[AppealGod123]

just put him on ignore bro

Every single one of his claims is wrong

If he can give me ONE SINGLE NOT MORE argument I can't debunk, i will keep arguing other then that im leaving, and you should too

Probavly should, pretty tired of seeing him bark

 

[EsotericFoidSlayr]

So it goes like this

If the Qur'an affirms the Gospels then it is false, if the Qur'an doesn't it is false . If gods massagers or god himself is perfect then we can assume the Qur'an is perfect than aswell since its the word of god right ???

Wrong, since god is perfect this mistake proves either he not perfect (and the Qur'an is wrong) or the Qur'an isnt the word of god (or maybe he likes trolling)

''erm when are u showing us the error then'' now nigga be patience jeez im getting there, woahzers.

Ok so heres the error :
The Qur'an affirms the Gospel as the word of god but Islam contradicts it
If the Gospel is corrupted or false islam fails because islam affirms its authority

How did an all knowing God put you into this position how did he not have the foresight or power for this ?

i would write more but i dont wanna get DNRed
your thoughts ?

I think i got a migrane reading this, please dont post a thread over 10 words again thank you. Nothing here made sense

 

[thomasjiooo]

argument I can't debunk

Cope, u said Surah 65:4 is referring to women, meaning u can be a woman before reaching puberty, pedomaxxing

good religion in Mumbai

Sahih al-Bukhari 3295
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (5) said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.

 

[SplashJuice]

Are niggers still arguing here over stupid shit? There's far more deep fundamental problems about Islam that you can be posted about, but people want to post the cheap stuff

 

[AppealGod123]

scholars dont count as doctrine

using that logic we can use random hadiths and thats dumb

also this argument flops bcs the quran puts an outright ban on stuff like alchol and other addictive substances instead of regulations and gradual abolishment.

moreover, there are stages in development, first is slavery, then feudalism, then capitalism etc

why didnt they apply rules onto a feudal state or upon a capitalist system?

Hadiths are still a correct source for info

Alcohol wasnt directly banned, it was on a span of 15 years

again its not a timeless thing then

Also i wont be talking here, if you wanna discuss we can go pms, or we both just rest and shitpost

You choose

 

[lemureater]

Hadiths are still a correct source for info

Alcohol wasnt directly banned, it was on a span of 15 years

again its not a timeless thing then

Also i wont be talking here, if you wanna discuss we can go pms, or we both just rest and shitpost

You choose

good night bro

 

[AppealGod123]

good night bro

Goodnight man, its 4 am i should probably get sleeping

 

[ghoulmania]

tiktok schizo islamic knowledge

Pisslamic more like. You know it's just Saturn worship right? No different from Judaism
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Literally praying towards a black cube and your religious symbol is a moon

 

[1966Ford]

Premise 1​

The Qur’an affirms that God revealed the Torah and Gospel as guidance and light.
Examples often cited include passages like Qur’an 3:3, 5:46, and 5:68.

Premise 2​

A revelation from an all-knowing, all-powerful God should be true and reliably preserved or clearly safeguarded if it is meant to guide humanity.

Premise 3​

The Qur’an appeals to the People of the Book as possessing scripture and, in several passages, appears to treat those scriptures as authoritative reference points at the time of Muhammad.

Premise 4​

The doctrines found in the extant Gospels/New Testament substantially conflict with Islamic theology on key issues (e.g., crucifixion, divinity of Jesus, sonship, atonement).

Premise 5​

Therefore, Muslims must choose between two possibilities:

Option A: The Scriptures available in Muhammad’s time were substantially reliable​

• Then the Qur’an appears to contradict prior divine revelation.
• This creates tension with divine consistency and the claim that God’s revelations do not contradict.

Option B: The Scriptures available in Muhammad’s time were corrupted​

• Then the Qur’an’s appeals to those scriptures become problematic or misleading.
• It raises the question of why an all-knowing God would repeatedly reference corrupted texts as confirmation/guidance without clearly identifying the extent and nature of corruption.
• It also raises the question of why no original “uncorrupted Gospel” is extant or historically identifiable.

Conclusion​

Islam bears the burden of explaining how:

1. God’s earlier revelation became corrupted or lost,
2. The Qur’an can affirm prior scripture while contradicting current biblical texts, and
3. An all-knowing God allowed this epistemic confusion while still appealing to those texts.

 

[aristocraticfool]

So it goes like this

If the Qur'an affirms the Gospels then it is false, if the Qur'an doesn't it is false . If gods massagers or god himself is perfect then we can assume the Qur'an is perfect than aswell since its the word of god right ???

Wrong, since god is perfect this mistake proves either he not perfect (and the Qur'an is wrong) or the Qur'an isnt the word of god (or maybe he likes trolling)

''erm when are u showing us the error then'' now nigga be patience jeez im getting there, woahzers.

Ok so heres the error :
The Qur'an affirms the Gospel as the word of god but Islam contradicts it
If the Gospel is corrupted or false islam fails because islam affirms its authority

How did an all knowing God put you into this position how did he not have the foresight or power for this ?

i would write more but i dont wanna get DNRed
your thoughts ?

this such a fucking lowtier argument
this verse alone is enough to refute it, in this verse Allah orders to enforce the jizyah upon the christians. The issue for christians is that if your dilemma is true = precedence is given to past books (injil and torah) however the jizyah doesnt exist in those prior books and here Allah orders to force them (thus giving precedence to qur'an) over them​

 

[thomasjiooo]

An all-knowing God allowed this epistemic confusion while still appealing to those texts.

Irrefutable, especially when Allah staged the crucifixion

 

[1966Ford]

Irrefutable, especially when Allah staged the crucifixion

If Allah made it appear that Jesus was crucified when he was not, then:

1. God intentionally caused the central historical event behind Christianity to appear true to eyewitnesses and later generations.
2. Billions of people were then misled by what appeared to be a divine deception.
3. That raises a serious question: why would a truthful and just God create the appearance of a false event and then condemn people for believing what they saw or what was reliably reported?

 

[Ahmed88]

Cope, u said Surah 65:4 is referring to women, meaning u can be a woman before reaching puberty, pedomaxxing

Did you even read what i said or are you just too stupid to realize that the passage is not talking about, children????

Sahih al-Bukhari 3295
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (5) said, "If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.

Alr this is the argument he apparently thinks I can't debunk @AppealGod123 ,

im putting his ass on ignore after this
And you probably should too

Let's look at the hadith

the instruction itself is clear, when you wake up, you should wash the nose and blow water out three times during ablution. Keep in mind this is in ablution, so not just something god said for us to explicitly do, also medically speaking, this makes a lot of sense zhile we sleep, the nasal passages can accumulate dust, dried mucus, and microorganisms from the air the warm, moist environment of the nose can allow bacteria and viruses to remain present or multiply flushing the nose with water helps clear these irritants and reduces the chance of infection or viruses.


Also in humid areas like Saudi arabia,
sand, dust, and fine particles were common and for dust to enter the nose and accumulate overnight and even today, in desert climates, people experience dryness and irritation in the nasal passages very often more then humid areas



Also God couldn't just say ,,Bacterias exist" so he used shaytan (the bringer of viruses ilnesses and sickness) as a key metaphor.


Stupid ass argument once again

 

[thomasjiooo]

Did you even read what i said or are you just too stupid to realize that the passage is not talking about, children????

Read tafsir retard

Alr this is the argument he apparently thinks I can't debunk

It’s not lol just making fun of your prophet

Also God couldn't just say ,,Bacterias exist" so he used shaytan (the bringer of viruses ilnesses and sickness) as a key metaphor.

sure bro, but when it’s about salt water and fresh water not mixing all of a sudden Allah is a scientist, my point is it’s ridiculous and childish, just like when your scriptures say Satan pisses in your ear

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

The ai use is pathetic confirmation bias

damn i knew i wasnt tripping, goated response as always