The modern submissive man & why many of you are hoeless at MTN+

[luuk]

One of the worst byproducts of internet culture is the emergence of the “submissive” man, who fetishises some sort of “dom mommy” archetype of woman that rarely exists outside of pornography, usually related to the fetishisation of goth/alt girls or even tall/fat ones, girls often outside of the conventional beauty standard and population norm.

I’m not just going to blame the internet for this, it is cultural. When men are told that “sexually harassing” a woman is the ultimate sin, are socialised to believe that the expression of male sexuality is evil, and that they should never approach women outside of a select range of “socially appropriate” 3rd spaces which are rapidly shrinking, it is unsurprising that the male mating strategy has changed.

Posing as “submissive” allows men to express their sexuality in a manner that is considered unthreatening and thus not as inappropriate, and thus does not invite the ire of the panopticon.

Even outside of the liberal feminist types, this mindset is prevalent here. People don’t want to approach women if they’re sub-HTN/sub6’ because they consider it a humiliation ritual; after all, chad gets women to approach him, why should I bother?

This is a moronic worldview as one has to accept that the winners of the genetic lottery will get special treatment. But human nature has not changed, for the most part, the avg women is submissive and a man is meant to be dominant, and a woman wants YOU to make the first move, to prove yourself as competent and capable of taking the lead. As a man you need to be able to handle rejection- if your sensitivity gets in the way of this you’ll die alone.

Redpillers get this right- be a man and learn to approach and take rejection once you’ve improved your appearance to a suitable degree instead of autistically obsessing about failos that mean nothing

 

[LowTierBateman]

I hate the faggots that say ts

 

[luuk]

45% of 18-25yo men have never asked out a woman in person which is tragic

 

[dragomog]

i want a slightly dominant gf but sadly it doesnt work out like that

 

[Noriju]

I hate the faggots that say ts

More for me and less for you gayboy

 

[Noriju]

I should probably start doing this.

 

[LowTierBateman]

More for me and less for you gayboy

I dont care about some ugly bitch with black makeup on

 

[luuk]

I should probably start doing this.

More for me and less for you gayboy

I hate the faggots that say ts

now i’m confused as to which side of this discussion either of you are on

 

[pleasevanity]

One of the worst byproducts of internet culture is the emergence of the “submissive” man, who fetishises some sort of “dom mommy” archetype of woman that rarely exists outside of pornography, usually related to the fetishisation of goth/alt girls or even tall/fat ones, girls often outside of the conventional beauty standard and population norm.

I’m not just going to blame the internet for this, it is cultural. When men are told that “sexually harassing” a woman is the ultimate sin, are socialised to believe that the expression of male sexuality is evil, and that they should never approach women outside of a select range of “socially appropriate” 3rd spaces which are rapidly shrinking, it is unsurprising that the male mating strategy has changed.

Posing as “submissive” allows men to express their sexuality in a manner that is considered unthreatening and thus not as inappropriate, and thus does not invite the ire of the panopticon.

Even outside of the liberal feminist types, this mindset is prevalent here. People don’t want to approach women if they’re sub-HTN/sub6’ because they consider it a humiliation ritual; after all, chad gets women to approach him, why should I bother?

This is a moronic worldview as one has to accept that the winners of the genetic lottery will get special treatment. But human nature has not changed, for the most part, the avg women is submissive and a man is meant to be dominant, and a woman wants YOU to make the first move, to prove yourself as competent and capable of taking the lead. As a man you need to be able to handle rejection- if your sensitivity gets in the way of this you’ll die alone.

Redpillers get this right- be a man and learn to approach and take rejection once you’ve improved your appearance to a suitable degree instead of autistically obsessing about failos that mean nothing

trvke

but i can't change my inhibition i'll always be more comfortable in my submission than getting spat on and kicked in the dick because i tried to ask out a girl i wanted

 

[LowTierBateman]

now i’m confused as to which side of this discussion either of you are on

I hate submissive faggots

 

[luuk]

More for me and less for you gayboy

if ur talking about the mythical “goth dommy mommy” archetype there are none for you because there is 100x more demand than supply for them and they probably want htn prettyboy alt guys
they’re mostly a fabrication of the internet

 

[luuk]

trvke

but i can't change my inhibition i'll always be more comfortable in my submission than getting spat on and kicked in the dick because i tried to ask out a girl i wanted

is this hyperbolic or did that genuinely happen to you
in most cases the worst she can do is laugh

 

[CorinthianLOX]

But human nature has not changed, for the most part, the avg women is submissive and a man is meant to be dominant, and a woman wants YOU to make the first move, to prove yourself as competent and capable of taking the lead. As a man you need to be able to handle rejection- if your sensitivity gets in the way of this you’ll die alone.

This is impossible in the modern era. Women reject most men who are sub HTN or just cheat on their sub HTN boyfriends with HTN+ men.

 

[Divineincel]

One of the worst byproducts of internet culture is the emergence of the “submissive” man, who fetishises some sort of “dom mommy” archetype of woman that rarely exists outside of pornography, usually related to the fetishisation of goth/alt girls or even tall/fat ones, girls often outside of the conventional beauty standard and population norm.

I’m not just going to blame the internet for this, it is cultural. When men are told that “sexually harassing” a woman is the ultimate sin, are socialised to believe that the expression of male sexuality is evil, and that they should never approach women outside of a select range of “socially appropriate” 3rd spaces which are rapidly shrinking, it is unsurprising that the male mating strategy has changed.

Posing as “submissive” allows men to express their sexuality in a manner that is considered unthreatening and thus not as inappropriate, and thus does not invite the ire of the panopticon.

Even outside of the liberal feminist types, this mindset is prevalent here. People don’t want to approach women if they’re sub-HTN/sub6’ because they consider it a humiliation ritual; after all, chad gets women to approach him, why should I bother?

This is a moronic worldview as one has to accept that the winners of the genetic lottery will get special treatment. But human nature has not changed, for the most part, the avg women is submissive and a man is meant to be dominant, and a woman wants YOU to make the first move, to prove yourself as competent and capable of taking the lead. As a man you need to be able to handle rejection- if your sensitivity gets in the way of this you’ll die alone.

Redpillers get this right- be a man and learn to approach and take rejection once you’ve improved your appearance to a suitable degree instead of autistically obsessing about failos that mean nothing

The thing is, women don’t want to be approached by sub htns because to them, it is implying that they are average/ugly enough for you to think you would have a chance with them. And their attitudes is rude, they can just pull their phone and record you for trying while insulting you

 

[Noriju]

now i’m confused as to which side of this discussion either of you are on

if ur talking about the mythical “goth dommy mommy” archetype there are none for you because there is 100x more demand than supply for them and they probably want htn prettyboy alt guys
they’re mostly a fabrication of the internet

No i’m talking cold approaches.
It makes sense. Doing this is totally unheard of, also in my social circle. So to start doing it would put me leagues ahead.

 

[Noriju]

The thing is, women don’t want to be approached by sub htns because to them, it is implying that they are average/ugly enough for you to think you would have a chance with them. And their attitudes is rude, they can just pull their phone and record you for trying while insulting you

I’m ugly as shit and i won a bet against a friend by getting 10 numbers and he got 0 on vacation cause he was chickenshit, even though he socialmogs me to oblivion

 

[CorinthianLOX]

The thing is, women don’t want to be approached by sub htns because to them, it is implying that they are average/ugly enough for you to think you would have a chance with them. And their attitudes is rude, they can just pull their phone and record you for trying while insulting you

Exactly

 

[pleasevanity]

is this hyperbolic or did that genuinely happen to you
in most cases the worst she can do is laugh

i'm making it up lol yea but i get fearful like that whenever i want to approach a woman

honestly i just talk to girls online instead

 

[Divineincel]

i want a slightly dominant gf but sadly it doesnt work out like that

You wouldn’t want a dominant gf

 

[luuk]

The thing is, women don’t want to be approached by sub htns because to them, it is implying that they are average/ugly enough for you to think you would have a chance with them.

Its objectively untrue that every subhtn is unattractive to every woman, ur odds just get worse every point down you go. If ur a trucel its different but as an MTN or even LTN you should absolutely be flirting with women and acting on any IOIs you think you get

And their attitudes is rude, they can just pull their phone and record you for trying while insulting you

This rarely happens. Even if you look at genuine annoying ND trucels like Yad trying his PUA bs in public the worst shit he got was girls laughing or being creeped out, no actual consequences
Stop catastrophising ur castrating urself

 

[Noriju]

The thing is, women don’t want to be approached by sub htns because to them, it is implying that they are average/ugly enough for you to think you would have a chance with them. And their attitudes is rude, they can just pull their phone and record you for trying while insulting you

What if one of them doesn’t? And says yes instead?

 

[InertiaBoy]

Approaching is submissive

Everything in the system is upside down its meant to be the other way around in nature

"Going after what you want" only becomes masculine when it means rape but you cant do that nowadays

 

[tarkdriad33]

brotha they gonna bury you under a prison

 

[Divineincel]

I’m ugly as shit and i won a bet against a friend by getting 10 numbers and he got 0 on vacation cause he was chickenshit, even though he socialmogs me to oblivion

so was your friend uglier than you?

 

[Divineincel]

brotha they gonna bury you under a prison

 

[Noriju]

so was your friend uglier than you?

No, he was just like you, he didn’t want to approach anyone so he didn’t get any.
I sure as shit got rejected too dawg

 

[Divineincel]

Exactly

There is no cold approaching your way out of inceldom, you are either looksmaxxing or ldaring, that’s it. Cold approaching is unnatural wasn’t popular before atomization of communities

 

[Divineincel]

No, he was just like you, he didn’t want to approach anyone so he didn’t get any.
I sure as shit got rejected too dawg

With my autism I would just end up like this guy

 

[luuk]

Approaching is submissive

Everything in the system is upside down its meant to be the other way around in nature

"Going after what you want" only becomes masculine when it means rape but you cant do that nowadays

Incredibly uneducated and retarded take
Men have always competed for women and not just outright rape

 

[redeemthecard]

One of the worst byproducts of internet culture is the emergence of the “submissive” man, who fetishises some sort of “dom mommy” archetype of woman that rarely exists outside of pornography, usually related to the fetishisation of goth/alt girls or even tall/fat ones, girls often outside of the conventional beauty standard and population norm.

I’m not just going to blame the internet for this, it is cultural. When men are told that “sexually harassing” a woman is the ultimate sin, are socialised to believe that the expression of male sexuality is evil, and that they should never approach women outside of a select range of “socially appropriate” 3rd spaces which are rapidly shrinking, it is unsurprising that the male mating strategy has changed.

Posing as “submissive” allows men to express their sexuality in a manner that is considered unthreatening and thus not as inappropriate, and thus does not invite the ire of the panopticon.

Even outside of the liberal feminist types, this mindset is prevalent here. People don’t want to approach women if they’re sub-HTN/sub6’ because they consider it a humiliation ritual; after all, chad gets women to approach him, why should I bother?

This is a moronic worldview as one has to accept that the winners of the genetic lottery will get special treatment. But human nature has not changed, for the most part, the avg women is submissive and a man is meant to be dominant, and a woman wants YOU to make the first move, to prove yourself as competent and capable of taking the lead. As a man you need to be able to handle rejection- if your sensitivity gets in the way of this you’ll die alone.

Redpillers get this right- be a man and learn to approach and take rejection once you’ve improved your appearance to a suitable degree instead of autistically obsessing about failos that mean nothing

allat just to get dnr-ed

 

[luuk]

There is no cold approaching your way out of inceldom, you are either looksmaxxing or ldaring, that’s it. Cold approaching is unnatural wasn’t popular before atomization of communities

If you’re a trucel yes
Most lonely men are LTN/MTN and just have never approached a girl

 

[Noriju]

Approaching is submissive

Everything in the system is upside down its meant to be the other way around in nature

"Going after what you want" only becomes masculine when it means rape but you cant do that nowadays

 

[Noriju]

With my autism I would just end up like this guy

Yes you do have to be able to hold a convo and be charismatic.

 

[luuk]

brotha they gonna bury you under a prison

nothing ever happens
just accept no (when its actually a no and not just a shittest) and i’m telling you the only bad thing that can happen is humiliation

“b-but this one incel went to jail once for talking to a woman!!” and its one incident where he was probably brutally nd and straight up asked her if she wanted to fuck or smth

 

[dogedogedoge]

One of the worst byproducts of internet culture is the emergence of the “submissive” man, who fetishises some sort of “dom mommy” archetype of woman that rarely exists outside of pornography

They are everywhere, every woman I’ve ever talked to was dominant, they go for guys that look like me

 

[Noriju]

They are everywhere, every woman I’ve ever talked to was dominant, they go for guys that look like me

What do you look like?

 

[luuk]

They are everywhere, every woman I’ve ever talked to was dominant, they go for guys that look like me

were they dominant or did you just put them in a position of dominance leading to short-lived and unfulfilling connections

 

[algerianmogger]

One of the worst byproducts of internet culture is the emergence of the “submissive” man, who fetishises some sort of “dom mommy” archetype of woman that rarely exists outside of pornography, usually related to the fetishisation of goth/alt girls or even tall/fat ones, girls often outside of the conventional beauty standard and population norm.

I’m not just going to blame the internet for this, it is cultural. When men are told that “sexually harassing” a woman is the ultimate sin, are socialised to believe that the expression of male sexuality is evil, and that they should never approach women outside of a select range of “socially appropriate” 3rd spaces which are rapidly shrinking, it is unsurprising that the male mating strategy has changed.

Posing as “submissive” allows men to express their sexuality in a manner that is considered unthreatening and thus not as inappropriate, and thus does not invite the ire of the panopticon.

Even outside of the liberal feminist types, this mindset is prevalent here. People don’t want to approach women if they’re sub-HTN/sub6’ because they consider it a humiliation ritual; after all, chad gets women to approach him, why should I bother?

This is a moronic worldview as one has to accept that the winners of the genetic lottery will get special treatment. But human nature has not changed, for the most part, the avg women is submissive and a man is meant to be dominant, and a woman wants YOU to make the first move, to prove yourself as competent and capable of taking the lead. As a man you need to be able to handle rejection- if your sensitivity gets in the way of this you’ll die alone.

Redpillers get this right- be a man and learn to approach and take rejection once you’ve improved your appearance to a suitable degree instead of autistically obsessing about failos that mean nothing

Yeah, hit women

 

[tarkdriad33]

nothing ever happens
just accept no (when its actually a no and not just a shittest) and i’m telling you the only bad thing that can happen is humiliation

“b-but this one incel went to jail once for talking to a woman!!” and its one incident where he was probably brutally nd and straight up asked her if she wanted to fuck or smth

but the evidence sees it that way

 

[Divineincel]

Its objectively untrue that every subhtn is unattractive to every woman, ur odds just get worse every point down you go. If ur a trucel its different but as an MTN or even LTN you should absolutely be flirting with women and acting on any IOIs you think you get

This rarely happens. Even if you look at genuine annoying ND trucels like Yad trying his PUA bs in public the worst shit he got was girls laughing or being creeped out, no actual consequences
Stop catastrophising ur castrating urself

If you are mtn you attractive to ltbs and below, you sure you want to aim in this category? Of course you have other factors but let’s take for example 180 cm mtn, do you think some mtb that can hop on instagram anytime anywhere will be interested in him?

I’ve seen videos were even the police was engaged because someone seemed ‚creepy’ to women. Where do you propose to cold approach either?

 

[jozsef316@gmail]

learn to approach and take rejection

Im stuck in the loop , always get rejected , ur afaggot

 

[Divineincel]

If you’re a trucel yes
Most lonely men are LTN/MTN and just have never approached a girl

I wouldn’t group mtns with ltns, ltns are closer to the truecels, basically a failed normie

 

[Divineincel]

Yes you do have to be able to hold a convo and be charismatic.

How are you going to do that when you are neurodivergence?

 

[armemann]

As a man you need to be able to handle rejection- if your sensitivity gets in the way of this you’ll die alone.

yeah ill die alone

 

[armemann]

holy bluepiller ramblings

in todays times cold approaching under HTN+ IS a humiliation ritual

atp i dont even want a girl anymore

 

[luuk]

yeah ill die alone

if there is one thing you should work on in your life it is this man take it step by step ur looks aren’t limiting you here

 

[CorinthianLOX]

With my autism I would just end up like this guy

Holy shit denmo is fucking ugly I can’t believe I actually listened to him once

 

[luuk]

holy bluepiller ramblings

in todays times cold approaching under HTN+ IS a humiliation ritual

atp i dont even want a girl anymore

i’m 6’3” MMTN so in a pretty similar situation to you and i’ve slayed fairly easily recently
don’t go up to random girls on the street im not saying to do any pua bs
but chat to as many girls as you can, flirt whenever it feels right, approach in bars/clubs/3rd spaces etc. Learn to make it feel natural

 

[Whatever]

I could suck it up and approach but I just don't get the chance to...? I see a girl I'm attracted to alone in public I'd say less than once per month. The store, the gym, everywhere I go even in college towns is just boomers, families with kids, and normie couples. When I do see an attractive girl she's almost always insulated by some group or something, or at her work, where approaching would just be too awkward. This is how I know all those cold approach videos are fake, young women don't do things alone.

Also, I'm convinced that you can approach a girl and she can think you're hot and really like you but then forget or deprioritize you by that weekend.

 

[armemann]

i’m 6’3” MMTN so in a pretty similar situation to you and i’ve slayed fairly easily recently

holy fuck where do u live??