The most optimal stack

[tension]

Why is everyone always running a different stack

I know that people's bodies are different, but you would think that there would be a consensus best stack/roids

The only roid that everyone agrees is good is testosterone itself (and people even debate on the form of test)

Things like HGH, people say that it won't work for height, but then others do

People say that you only need 6 ius while someone else will say you need 10+ minimum

Then I see people talking abt tren and all these other roids and everyone is so mixed up about them

I wish there was just a definitive list of everything that you should take

also like the way you inject, the needles you use, the source you're getting it from (overly annoying), and so many other things abt roids piss me off, but i can't deny the fact that they're really the best thing out there

 

[SlayerJonas]

steroids & hgh are useless for height. test p + hgh are a decent stack if u want to do your first cycle. after your first cycle you may add tren or eq (to manage high e2 symptoms). don't forget hair loss management, lipids and blood pressure etc

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Why is everyone always running a different stack

I know that people's bodies are different, but you would think that there would be a consensus best stack/roids

The only roid that everyone agrees is good is testosterone itself (and people even debate on the form of test)

Things like HGH, people say that it won't work for height, but then others do

People say that you only need 6 ius while someone else will say you need 10+ minimum

Then I see people talking abt tren and all these other roids and everyone is so mixed up about them

I wish there was just a definitive list of everything that you should take

also like the way you inject, the needles you use, the source you're getting it from (overly annoying), and so many other things abt roids piss me off, but i can't deny the fact that they're really the best thing out there

People interpret data different, has different goals, has different proclivites for different sides etc

 

[tension]

steroids & hgh are useless for height. test p + hgh are a decent stack if u want to do your first cycle. after your first cycle you may add tren or eq (to manage high e2 symptoms). don't forget hair loss management, lipids and blood pressure etc

this is what i'm talking abt

how is hgh useless for height

 

[tension]

People interpret data different, has different goals, has different proclivites for different sides etc

yeah ik i just wish everyone thought the same way as me even tho ik that's kinda narcissistic

 

[SlayerJonas]

this is what i'm talking abt

how is hgh useless for height

serum hgh & igf1 levels don't determine ur height. it's how ur body uses them e.g. receptors and their sensitivity and at what rate those hormones convert into downstream factors that cause real mog signaling (tldr ur genetics determine ur height).

The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones. I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview. To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo...

looksmax.org

 

[audaz_revel_vivaz]

Testosterone is king. No debate. It’s the foundation. Most guys do best on 120–150mg/week of Test E or C. Some need more, some less, but that’s your baseline. If you’re not running test, you’re not even in the game.
hgh works but not for height if your plates are closed. For skin, muscle fullness, and recovery, 4–6 IU/day is the sweet spot. Anyone telling you to blast 10+ IU is either a vendor or a guy who wants to look like a bloated balloon. More isn’t better; it’s just more sides.
tren?tren will fuck your face. It dries you out, makes your skin look like leather, and ages you 10 years. The only people who push tren are the ones who really ant to do bodybuilding

 

[tension]

serum hgh & igf1 levels don't determine ur height. it's how ur body uses them e.g. receptors and their sensitivity and at what rate those hormones convert into downstream factors that cause real mog signaling (tldr ur genetics determine ur height).

but wouldn't more serum levels make the receptors have more to work with

like how do you explain the cases of people with iss growing after using hgh

 

[Aspire To Something]

Data is difficult to interpret and there are endless amounts of studies that have conclusions that can contradict other studies. Also too many idiots are overly vocal.

 

[tension]

there are endless amounts of studies that have conclusions that can contradict other studies

this is one of the things that annoy me the most

 

[Matrix88]

this is one of the things that annoy me the most

sad thing about science, just see how everybody here has a different diet. I'd hope there was an objective superior diet according to everyone here

 

[favessarmy]

Testosterone is king. No debate. It’s the foundation. Most guys do best on 120–150mg/week of Test E or C. Some need more, some less, but that’s your baseline. If you’re not running test, you’re not even in the game.
hgh works but not for height if your plates are closed. For skin, muscle fullness, and recovery, 4–6 IU/day is the sweet spot. Anyone telling you to blast 10+ IU is either a vendor or a guy who wants to look like a bloated balloon. More isn’t better; it’s just more sides.
tren?tren will fuck your face. It dries you out, makes your skin look like leather, and ages you 10 years. The only people who push tren are the ones who really ant to do bodybuilding

is 200mg wk good im starting on 150 but im under 18 idk how to get bloodwork

 

[Zagro]

Why is everyone always running a different stack

I know that people's bodies are different, but you would think that there would be a consensus best stack/roids

The only roid that everyone agrees is good is testosterone itself (and people even debate on the form of test)

Things like HGH, people say that it won't work for height, but then others do

People say that you only need 6 ius while someone else will say you need 10+ minimum

Then I see people talking abt tren and all these other roids and everyone is so mixed up about them

I wish there was just a definitive list of everything that you should take

also like the way you inject, the needles you use, the source you're getting it from (overly annoying), and so many other things abt roids piss me off, but i can't deny the fact that they're really the best thing out there

There are intellectually disabled people pulling information out of their asshole and there’s people with 3 digit iqs that can read papers

DYOR and don’t listen to others online, that’s your safest option

Nvm just realised you’re a fucking retard asking to be spoonfed everything possible so that you can just sit on your ass and replicate it