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I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that.
It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus
"Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin."
I'm referring to a highset Inferior Palpebral Sulcus.
Here is where the fat pads are, they exist below the crease.
Subconsciously, a high-set crease, signals good craniofacial development. Which is why I think it looks so striking.
Latinos and Latinas have this. Alongside African Americans:
Notice how the guy above doesn't have a fold at all. It's a large part of why his eye area is very attractive. Alongside the PFL of course.
Now there do exist people with very tall lower eyelid exposures (distance from margin of lower orbital eyelid rim to Inferior Palpebral Sulcus).
As long as there is Hooding, it isn't bad. But of course it could've been much better.
This is what Salih's eyes (left is good example) look like without it:
The smooth undereye is very mogger.
I believe this is what @Pei was talking about when he was referring to the undereye area, and the signs of Craniofacial Development. Look at Nicki Minaj's. It's smooth with no visible crease with makeup:
Without makeup, her crease is very highset:
@Xangsane At one point in time too had a PFP of this girl with incredible undereyes. Of course her fat pads were very thick, but look at the absence of her crease:
The complete opposite of this is a tall lower eyelid like Salih's. It's Lower Eyelid Exposure.
looksmax.org
I too noticed that it's a massive looks killer, because the most important feature for looks is health, and LEE can be accompanied with dark circles, infra recession etc. In the thread above, a user mentioned that:
So people can have shit undereye support/ sclera show etc without LEE.
And others like Atesh Salih can have 0 Sclera show, and distance between the margins of the upper and lower eyelids (PFH) can be small, yet they will have the LEE:
Others have said that:
This makes sense for somebody like Salih. When you look at his side:
His Orbital Vector does not look recessed.
The reason why this feature is mogger is because women like this for appeal, with almond UEE.
Ideal is to have zero crease/ very highset crease.
This is an example of a deep crease, where it follows most of the lower eyelid:
@Zeta himself would look much better if there was no crease (from a PSL perspective). His appeal is actually good with the crease, because of his hooded eyes with striking features he would not have any appeal/approachableness:
Some PSL Icons/Terrachads with no crease appearance:
Look at the difference between Barrett above, and below:
It ruins his undereye. Whilst it might be more youthful due to Aegyo Sal or whatever bullshit, it would look much better if it was smooth and there was an absence of any indent.
Questions
So my question is does Fat Grafting or Infras help with this? Because if the fat pads are below the crease, then it will only slightly vertically raise the lower margin of the eyelid, but the crease remains.
I figure Infras with vertical augmentation can help, but it's unlikely everybody requires such a drastic surgery. Will the appearance of it be reduced if there is only anterior projection of the Infra area, so less of the eyelid curves around the globe of the eyeball (assuming person is recessed)?
Or will the curve of the eyelid around the eyeball exist even after anterior augmentation (and to the same extent it initially was)?
Is there any way to vertically increase the height of this crease?
Or make the crease less deep?
@Orc @NZb6Air @RealSurgerymax @Allornothing @Zenis
It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus
"Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin."
I'm referring to a highset Inferior Palpebral Sulcus.
Here is where the fat pads are, they exist below the crease.
Subconsciously, a high-set crease, signals good craniofacial development. Which is why I think it looks so striking.
Latinos and Latinas have this. Alongside African Americans:
Notice how the guy above doesn't have a fold at all. It's a large part of why his eye area is very attractive. Alongside the PFL of course.
Now there do exist people with very tall lower eyelid exposures (distance from margin of lower orbital eyelid rim to Inferior Palpebral Sulcus).
As long as there is Hooding, it isn't bad. But of course it could've been much better.
This is what Salih's eyes (left is good example) look like without it:
The smooth undereye is very mogger.
I believe this is what @Pei was talking about when he was referring to the undereye area, and the signs of Craniofacial Development. Look at Nicki Minaj's. It's smooth with no visible crease with makeup:
Without makeup, her crease is very highset:
@Xangsane At one point in time too had a PFP of this girl with incredible undereyes. Of course her fat pads were very thick, but look at the absence of her crease:
The complete opposite of this is a tall lower eyelid like Salih's. It's Lower Eyelid Exposure.
Lower eyelid exposure might be one of the most underlooked things through whole PSL history
u see the lower fat pad ? it looks like a complete shit
looksmax.org
I too noticed that it's a massive looks killer, because the most important feature for looks is health, and LEE can be accompanied with dark circles, infra recession etc. In the thread above, a user mentioned that:
So people can have shit undereye support/ sclera show etc without LEE.
And others like Atesh Salih can have 0 Sclera show, and distance between the margins of the upper and lower eyelids (PFH) can be small, yet they will have the LEE:
Others have said that:
This makes sense for somebody like Salih. When you look at his side:
His Orbital Vector does not look recessed.
The reason why this feature is mogger is because women like this for appeal, with almond UEE.
Ideal is to have zero crease/ very highset crease.
This is an example of a deep crease, where it follows most of the lower eyelid:
@Zeta himself would look much better if there was no crease (from a PSL perspective). His appeal is actually good with the crease, because of his hooded eyes with striking features he would not have any appeal/approachableness:
Some PSL Icons/Terrachads with no crease appearance:
Look at the difference between Barrett above, and below:
It ruins his undereye. Whilst it might be more youthful due to Aegyo Sal or whatever bullshit, it would look much better if it was smooth and there was an absence of any indent.
Questions
So my question is does Fat Grafting or Infras help with this? Because if the fat pads are below the crease, then it will only slightly vertically raise the lower margin of the eyelid, but the crease remains.
I figure Infras with vertical augmentation can help, but it's unlikely everybody requires such a drastic surgery. Will the appearance of it be reduced if there is only anterior projection of the Infra area, so less of the eyelid curves around the globe of the eyeball (assuming person is recessed)?
Or will the curve of the eyelid around the eyeball exist even after anterior augmentation (and to the same extent it initially was)?
Is there any way to vertically increase the height of this crease?
Or make the crease less deep?
@Orc @NZb6Air @RealSurgerymax @Allornothing @Zenis
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