The Most Striking Feature - MAXIMUM Appeal

[psychomandible]

needed this lifefuel after getting my confidence completely shattered

 

[LancasteR]

Sorry to disappoint you dude, but most people don‘t care or even notice this.

 

[nobodyspecial369]

I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that.

It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus
"Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin."

I'm referring to a highset Inferior Palpebral Sulcus.
Here is where the fat pads are, they exist below the crease.
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Subconsciously, a high-set crease, signals good craniofacial development. Which is why I think it looks so striking.
Latinos and Latinas have this. Alongside African Americans:

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Notice how the guy above doesn't have a fold at all. It's a large part of why his eye area is very attractive. Alongside the PFL of course.
Now there do exist people with very tall lower eyelid exposures (distance from margin of lower orbital eyelid rim to Inferior Palpebral Sulcus).

As long as there is Hooding, it isn't bad. But of course it could've been much better.
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This is what Salih's eyes (left is good example) look like without it:
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The smooth undereye is very mogger.
I believe this is what @Pei was talking about when he was referring to the undereye area, and the signs of Craniofacial Development. Look at Nicki Minaj's. It's smooth with no visible crease with makeup:
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Without makeup, her crease is very highset:
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@Xangsane At one point in time too had a PFP of this girl with incredible undereyes. Of course her fat pads were very thick, but look at the absence of her crease:
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The complete opposite of this is a tall lower eyelid like Salih's. It's Lower Eyelid Exposure.

Lower eyelid exposure might be one of the most underlooked things through whole PSL history

u see the lower fat pad ? it looks like a complete shit

looksmax.org

I too noticed that it's a massive looks killer, because the most important feature for looks is health, and LEE can be accompanied with dark circles, infra recession etc. In the thread above, a user mentioned that:
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So people can have shit undereye support/ sclera show etc without LEE.

And others like Atesh Salih can have 0 Sclera show, and distance between the margins of the upper and lower eyelids (PFH) can be small, yet they will have the LEE:
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Others have said that:
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This makes sense for somebody like Salih. When you look at his side:
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His Orbital Vector does not look recessed.

The reason why this feature is mogger is because women like this for appeal, with almond UEE.
Ideal is to have zero crease/ very highset crease.

This is an example of a deep crease, where it follows most of the lower eyelid:


@Zeta himself would look much better if there was no crease (from a PSL perspective). His appeal is actually good with the crease, because of his hooded eyes with striking features he would not have any appeal/approachableness:
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Some PSL Icons/Terrachads with no crease appearance:
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Look at the difference between Barrett above, and below:
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It ruins his undereye. Whilst it might be more youthful due to Aegyo Sal or whatever bullshit, it would look much better if it was smooth and there was an absence of any indent.

Questions
So my question is does Fat Grafting or Infras help with this? Because if the fat pads are below the crease, then it will only slightly vertically raise the lower margin of the eyelid, but the crease remains.

I figure Infras with vertical augmentation can help, but it's unlikely everybody requires such a drastic surgery. Will the appearance of it be reduced if there is only anterior projection of the Infra area, so less of the eyelid curves around the globe of the eyeball (assuming person is recessed)?
Or will the curve of the eyelid around the eyeball exist even after anterior augmentation (and to the same extent it initially was)?

Is there any way to vertically increase the height of this crease?
Or make the crease less deep?

@Orc @NZb6Air @RealSurgerymax @Allornothing @Zenis

have no idea what you’re saying tbh
and sounds like you are saying aegyo sal is bad which goes against mainstream thought

 

[greycel]

have no idea what you’re saying tbh
and sounds like you are saying aegyo sal is bad which goes against mainstream thought

Look at this dude:


You see no undereye crease right?
How do you achieve that with surgery. Is the reason why ishowspeed doesn't have it because of undereye hollowing?

 

[solodolo]

Maybe fat grafting is the way to go. This is one of the things I’m looking into potentially getting along with rhino.

 

[solodolo]

I've seen this feature a lot before and I thought initially it was to do with good Undereyes, but I don't think it's exactly that.

It's called the Inferior Palpebral Sulcus
"Anatomically, the inferior skin crease is seen around 3 to 5 mm below the outer aspect of the lid margin."

I'm referring to a highset Inferior Palpebral Sulcus.
Here is where the fat pads are, they exist below the crease.
View attachment 3278484

Subconsciously, a high-set crease, signals good craniofacial development. Which is why I think it looks so striking.
Latinos and Latinas have this. Alongside African Americans:

View attachment 3278474



Notice how the guy above doesn't have a fold at all. It's a large part of why his eye area is very attractive. Alongside the PFL of course.
Now there do exist people with very tall lower eyelid exposures (distance from margin of lower orbital eyelid rim to Inferior Palpebral Sulcus).

As long as there is Hooding, it isn't bad. But of course it could've been much better.
View attachment 3278587

This is what Salih's eyes (left is good example) look like without it:
View attachment 3278580

The smooth undereye is very mogger.
I believe this is what @Pei was talking about when he was referring to the undereye area, and the signs of Craniofacial Development. Look at Nicki Minaj's. It's smooth with no visible crease with makeup:
View attachment 3278584

Without makeup, her crease is very highset:
View attachment 3278550 View attachment 3278552

@Xangsane At one point in time too had a PFP of this girl with incredible undereyes. Of course her fat pads were very thick, but look at the absence of her crease:
View attachment 3278558View attachment 3278560

The complete opposite of this is a tall lower eyelid like Salih's. It's Lower Eyelid Exposure.

Lower eyelid exposure might be one of the most underlooked things through whole PSL history

u see the lower fat pad ? it looks like a complete shit

looksmax.org

I too noticed that it's a massive looks killer, because the most important feature for looks is health, and LEE can be accompanied with dark circles, infra recession etc. In the thread above, a user mentioned that:
View attachment 3278602

So people can have shit undereye support/ sclera show etc without LEE.

And others like Atesh Salih can have 0 Sclera show, and distance between the margins of the upper and lower eyelids (PFH) can be small, yet they will have the LEE:
View attachment 3278631

Others have said that:
View attachment 3278632

This makes sense for somebody like Salih. When you look at his side:
View attachment 3278643

His Orbital Vector does not look recessed.

The reason why this feature is mogger is because women like this for appeal, with almond UEE.
Ideal is to have zero crease/ very highset crease.

This is an example of a deep crease, where it follows most of the lower eyelid:


@Zeta himself would look much better if there was no crease (from a PSL perspective). His appeal is actually good with the crease, because of his hooded eyes with striking features he would not have any appeal/approachableness:
View attachment 3278666View attachment 3278667

Some PSL Icons/Terrachads with no crease appearance:
View attachment 3278669View attachment 3278672

View attachment 3278676View attachment 3278680View attachment 3278684

Look at the difference between Barrett above, and below:
View attachment 3278689

It ruins his undereye. Whilst it might be more youthful due to Aegyo Sal or whatever bullshit, it would look much better if it was smooth and there was an absence of any indent.

Questions
So my question is does Fat Grafting or Infras help with this? Because if the fat pads are below the crease, then it will only slightly vertically raise the lower margin of the eyelid, but the crease remains.

I figure Infras with vertical augmentation can help, but it's unlikely everybody requires such a drastic surgery. Will the appearance of it be reduced if there is only anterior projection of the Infra area, so less of the eyelid curves around the globe of the eyeball (assuming person is recessed)?
Or will the curve of the eyelid around the eyeball exist even after anterior augmentation (and to the same extent it initially was)?

Is there any way to vertically increase the height of this crease?
Or make the crease less deep?

@Orc @NZb6Air @RealSurgerymax @Allornothing @Zenis

Did salludon not achieve something similar through surgery? Do you figure it was just lower lid retraction plus fat graft or something else?

 

[Surfsup]

Good thread

 

[greycel]

Did salludon not achieve something similar through surgery? Do you figure it was just lower lid retraction plus fat graft or something else?

No he didn't actually
His lower-eyelid height remained the same/ slightly increased from him squinching to reduce PFH
Which is also why I don't believe he achieved true craniofacial development, but rather masked it with surgeries

Lower lid retraction is to help with sclera show. I'm not sure if it changes what I am talking about. I believe undereye fat grafts do to some extent

 

[Bars]

Then why are east asians so obsessed over this?

 

[greycel]

Then why are east asian so obsessed over this?

Because it's all about rarities
What is good looking is a "positive" rarity.

Most Asians have an absence of a crease:

Which is why they aim for aegyo sal and double eyelids.

For other races, they have a crease.. and it's better to have no crease. It signals good craniofacial development which matters more than striking features in today's society.

This girl still looks subhuman in the after:

Compared to this woman in the "before":

The height of the lower eyelid matters a lot. Especially much more for women

 

[solodolo]

Because it's all about rarities
What is good looking is a "positive" rarity.

Most Asians have an absence of a crease:
View attachment 3304281
Which is why they aim for aegyo sal and double eyelids.

For other races, they have a crease.. and it's better to have no crease. It signals good craniofacial development which matters more than striking features in today's society.

This girl still looks subhuman in the after:
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Compared to this woman in the "before":
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The height of the lower eyelid matters a lot. Especially much more for women

Literally the missing piece for my eye area.

 

[Ruthless]

 

[_Tigrim_]

Colour of eyes matter more for foid than they do for guys IMO

Idk I feel like it's the opposite. Because light eyes look more striking which is more important for guys since softer features are better for women than men. I noticed it when I saw one of those reels on ig where they change the colour of models with light eyes to brown and the guys looked worse than the women. Big brown doe eyes can still look cute on women whereas lighter eyes make guys look striking.