The Neurodivergent Social Cycle

[Prøphet]

Neurodivergents are set up to fail by our archaic social systems and group norms in so many different ways that it’s honestly astonishing to see one manage to thrive in a world so hostile to them. One example I was thinking of recently is a sort of vicious cycle that the neurodivergent is forced into by his environment, usually starting from the very first stages of their development.

It starts like this: The neurodivergent has an inability or unwillingness to adopt social cues and behaviors from their peers. He prioritizes his individuality above conformity. This valuation may either be a conscious choice, or more often, an unconscious one. This leads to ostracization, mockery, and in the most severe cases, a downright exile from the group.

Now, the neurodivergent in an isolation has a smaller “pool” of social stimuli to interact with and internalize. He is forced to learn the language of socialization in a much narrower scope. In our times, this manifests as the adoption of behaviors from the family and the media. The effects of this are outright disastrous for the neurodivergent.

He becomes a caricature that draws even more contempt and hatred from the neurotypical world. And thus the cycle only becomes stronger and stronger.

I honestly don’t see a clear solution for this that would realistically work, because of the fundamental incompatibility of the neurodivergent with the neurotypical. It is an absolute tragedy of our society and breeds the worst of the worst in anyone unlucky enough to be born with an alternative neurocircuitry. Sometimes I want to cry for my neurodivergent brothers and the struggle of our people when it comes to even the most basic privileges, rights, and activities. We seem to reward exceptionality in every avenue except sociability. What are your thoughts?

 

[BlackFag]

 

[Lecherous]

It starts like this: The neurodivergent has an inability or unwillingness to adopt social cues and behaviors from their peers. He prioritizes his individuality above conformity. This valuation may either be a conscious choice, or more often, an unconscious one. This leads to ostracization, mockery, and in the most severe cases, a downright exile from the group.

It's a disability, bro. We are a social species, it's not normal to not be able to socialize properly because we are programmed to be able to for our own survival.
And from what I understand, it's caused by genetics.

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

Neurodivergents are set up to fail by our archaic social systems and group norms in so many different ways that it’s honestly astonishing to see one manage to thrive in a world so hostile to them. One example I was thinking of recently is a sort of vicious cycle that the neurodivergent is forced into by his environment, usually starting from the very first stages of their development.

It starts like this: The neurodivergent has an inability or unwillingness to adopt social cues and behaviors from their peers. He prioritizes his individuality above conformity. This valuation may either be a conscious choice, or more often, an unconscious one. This leads to ostracization, mockery, and in the most severe cases, a downright exile from the group.

Now, the neurodivergent in an isolation has a smaller “pool” of social stimuli to interact with and internalize. He is forced to learn the language of socialization in a much narrower scope. In our times, this manifests as the adoption of behaviors from the family and the media. The effects of this are outright disastrous for the neurodivergent.

He becomes a caricature that draws even more contempt and hatred from the neurotypical world. And thus the cycle only becomes stronger and stronger.

I honestly don’t see a clear solution for this that would realistically work, because of the fundamental incompatibility of the neurodivergent with the neurotypical. It is an absolute tragedy of our society and breeds the worst of the worst in anyone unlucky enough to be born with an alternative neurocircuitry. Sometimes I want to cry for my neurodivergent brothers and the struggle of our people when it comes to even the most basic privileges, rights, and activities. We seem to reward exceptionality in every avenue except sociability. What are your thoughts?

Yup noticed much of this among my situation
Its a big old slippery slope
Bookmarked this

 

[BlackFag]

Neurodivergents are set up to fail by our archaic social systems and group norms in so many different ways that it’s honestly astonishing to see one manage to thrive in a world so hostile to them. One example I was thinking of recently is a sort of vicious cycle that the neurodivergent is forced into by his environment, usually starting from the very first stages of their development.

It starts like this: The neurodivergent has an inability or unwillingness to adopt social cues and behaviors from their peers. He prioritizes his individuality above conformity. This valuation may either be a conscious choice, or more often, an unconscious one. This leads to ostracization, mockery, and in the most severe cases, a downright exile from the group.

Now, the neurodivergent in an isolation has a smaller “pool” of social stimuli to interact with and internalize. He is forced to learn the language of socialization in a much narrower scope. In our times, this manifests as the adoption of behaviors from the family and the media. The effects of this are outright disastrous for the neurodivergent.

He becomes a caricature that draws even more contempt and hatred from the neurotypical world. And thus the cycle only becomes stronger and stronger.

I honestly don’t see a clear solution for this that would realistically work, because of the fundamental incompatibility of the neurodivergent with the neurotypical. It is an absolute tragedy of our society and breeds the worst of the worst in anyone unlucky enough to be born with an alternative neurocircuitry. Sometimes I want to cry for my neurodivergent brothers and the struggle of our people when it comes to even the most basic privileges, rights, and activities. We seem to reward exceptionality in every avenue except sociability. What are your thoughts?

described my entire life in a short thread

 

[Prøphet]

It's a disability, bro. We are a social species, it's not normal to not be able to socialize properly because we are programmed to be able to for our own survival.
And from what I understand, it's caused by genetics.

Neurodivergents are not any less social. They only become reclusive out of discrimination and abuse for their identity. Such a constant and bombarding negative reinforcement would do this to anyone in the same position.

 

[BlackFag]

It's a disability, bro. We are a social species, it's not normal to not be able to socialize properly because we are programmed to be able to for our own survival.
And from what I understand, it's caused by genetics.

got to disagree
ND's socialised and reproduced perfectly fine up until 2010 (at the latest)
its only recently where they are becoming more and more pushed out

 

[Orka]

Neurodivergents are set up to fail by our archaic social systems and group norms in so many different ways that it’s honestly astonishing to see one manage to thrive in a world so hostile to them. One example I was thinking of recently is a sort of vicious cycle that the neurodivergent is forced into by his environment, usually starting from the very first stages of their development.

It starts like this: The neurodivergent has an inability or unwillingness to adopt social cues and behaviors from their peers. He prioritizes his individuality above conformity. This valuation may either be a conscious choice, or more often, an unconscious one. This leads to ostracization, mockery, and in the most severe cases, a downright exile from the group.

Now, the neurodivergent in an isolation has a smaller “pool” of social stimuli to interact with and internalize. He is forced to learn the language of socialization in a much narrower scope. In our times, this manifests as the adoption of behaviors from the family and the media. The effects of this are outright disastrous for the neurodivergent.

He becomes a caricature that draws even more contempt and hatred from the neurotypical world. And thus the cycle only becomes stronger and stronger.

I honestly don’t see a clear solution for this that would realistically work, because of the fundamental incompatibility of the neurodivergent with the neurotypical. It is an absolute tragedy of our society and breeds the worst of the worst in anyone unlucky enough to be born with an alternative neurocircuitry. Sometimes I want to cry for my neurodivergent brothers and the struggle of our people when it comes to even the most basic privileges, rights, and activities. We seem to reward exceptionality in every avenue except sociability. What are your thoughts?

Repped for fancy typing style

 

[trueadam1]

nice thread
also ur ur avi was used in my english test wth

 

[Lecherous]

Neurodivergents are not any less social. They only become reclusive out of discrimination and abuse for their identity. Such a constant and bombarding negative reinforcement would do this to anyone in the same position.

I haven't really thought of it that deeply before, some of them, sure.

Others are very reclusive though.

I think you can be non NT and extroverted and suffer but you can also be NT and very reclusive. Although, that itself is kind of non NT since it's also pretty abnormal.

I think I can read social cues just fine but I'm incredibly reclusive and I can't stand to be around crowds of people.

One of my earlier vivid memories I have is when I was about 4 or 5 years old and I was in a small room with 4 or so other kids and they were all talking doing their own thing and I randomly screamed at them to shut up because I couldn't tolerate that much stimulation at once.

Tldr; I can read social cues fine but I hate dealing with other people IRL most of the time.

 

[Lecherous]

got to disagree
ND's socialised and reproduced perfectly fine up until 2010 (at the latest)
its only recently where they are becoming more and more pushed out

The bar keeps getting set higher and higher. Women know they don't have to deal with guys like us anymore, they're encouraged not to. They can always do better.
Why deal with non NT guys? We're 'icky' to them.

It's a vicious cycle. They don't associate with you because you have no connections, but then you can't get any connections because of it.

 

[BlackFag]

The bar keeps getting set higher and higher. Women know they don't have to deal with guys like us anymore, they're encouraged not to. They can always do better.
Why deal with non NT guys? We're 'icky' to them.

It's a vicious cycle. They don't associate with you because you have no connections, but then you can't get any connections because of it.

honestly yeah
only way for us to win is for our looks to compensate for where are social skills failed
only way for us to win bro
only way

 

[Prøphet]

nice thread
also ur ur avi was used in my english test wth

Based teacher

 

[Prøphet]

I haven't really thought of it that deeply before, some of them, sure.

Others are very reclusive though.

I think you can be non NT and extroverted and suffer but you can also be NT and very reclusive. Although, that itself is kind of non NT since it's also pretty abnormal.

I think I can read social cues just fine but I'm incredibly reclusive and I can't stand to be around crowds of people.

One of my earlier vivid memories I have is when I was about 4 or 5 years old and I was in a small room with 4 or so other kids and they were all talking doing their own thing and I randomly screamed at them to shut up because I couldn't tolerate that much stimulation at once.

Tldr; I can read social cues fine but I hate dealing with other people IRL most of the time.

Actually you’re right

I was just thinking of the majority but there are always some people who would’ve been asocial even without being ND

So I guess the question to me is how much of this introversion is just their nature as a person, and how much of it is actually conditioning from the suffering they tend to endure due to their differences

For me I genuinely think it’s the latter, I was always trying to make friends with other kids and fit in but it just never worked because of how I’m wired, pretty much always being ignored or publicly shamed or laughed at like I’m a jester, so I developed a sort of introversion I don’t think i would’ve had if I was normal

 

[Prøphet]

honestly yeah
only way for us to win is for our looks to compensate for where are social skills failed
only way for us to win bro
only way

Yeah Ive said it many times before, I firmly believe the closest thing we have to a “cure” for neurodivergent men is Looksmaxxing. Any attempt to change your nature through pharmacology will lead to biblical level punishment because of how sensitive the GABA-glutamate neurotransmitters are to tolerance. So the only real sustainable option is to make yourself palatable to the world in other ways. You need to make people so satisfied with your face that the halo effect overrides your off-putting maladjusted brain. Only then will you have a chance at breaking the cycle of negative interactions and maybe even healing your “abused dog syndrome”. This is our burden to undertake because society has failed us.

 

[Luquier]

Only way to escape ND is by not caring about ND

Build organic social experience through trial and error then use that to establish NT habits and behaviours

 

[BlackFag]

Yeah Ive said it many times before, I firmly believe the closest thing we have to a “cure” for neurodivergent men is Looksmaxxing. Any attempt to change your nature through pharmacology will lead to biblical level punishment because of how sensitive the GABA-glutamate neurotransmitters are to tolerance. So the only real sustainable option is to make yourself palatable to the world in other ways. You need to make people so satisfied with your face that the halo effect overrides your off-putting maladjusted brain. Only then will you have a chance at breaking the cycle of negative interactions and maybe even healing your “abused dog syndrome”. This is our burden to undertake because society has failed us.

high iq
always said since the start nice that people finally realise it

 

[stonecold trucel]