the nutrition rabbit hole is the deepest one there is.

[Deleted member 20565]

A million controversies, what someone calls healthy other calls poisonous, and there is simply no way to discern who is in the right. Academic understanding of complexities of human body and its mechanisms is pre-requisite required merely to start researching and experimenting, and maybe after couple decades of intense dedication you could come to some kind of useful conclusion, which is still going to be controversial and denied by thousands, of course. For a young person with fucked up hormones and overall health, its truly a nightmare. Meanwhile your friend eats mcdonalds every day sleeps 3h and jacks off 5 times per day has a perfectly clear skin and 3 girls on rotation. and here you are, experimenting weird megadoses of some random supplements which at best wont do anything and at worst will make your hair fall out

 

[Unhuman]

just eat raw meat man.

 

[kalefartbomb]

There is a way to discern who is right and it's by analysis of what your ancestors ate. That is all that matters. For any species its optimal diet is the closest thing to what its gut is adapted to eating which will be foods local to its native environment. So you need to ask yourself what foods those are, ignoring all the propaganda, marketing, fake studies and everything else that is designed to cloud your judgement.

I do agree it's a very deep rabbit hole though. Realising that so many industries and institutions are actively working against your interests is very redpilling.

 

[Patient A]

Realising that so many industries and institutions are actively working against your interests is very redpilling.

welcome to the dystopia bucko

 

[Gonthar]

A million controversies, what someone calls healthy other calls poisonous, and there is simply no way to discern who is in the right.

Stop listening to retard youtubers and eat what your ancestor ate...

 

[traveler]

 

[Moggable]

 

[Deleted member 20631]

ok I will eat figs, cactus fruit, fish, peppers, olive oil, and red meat

 

[Deleted member 21620]

They probably poisoned our food lol

 

[softlysoftly]

There is a way to discern who is right and it's by analysis of what your ancestors ate.

this is like total bullshit
watch this video and it explains why going by what ancestors ate is so ridiculous

A million controversies, what someone calls healthy other calls poisonous, and there is simply no way to discern who is in the right. Academic understanding of complexities of human body and its mechanisms is pre-requisite required merely to start researching and experimenting, and maybe after couple decades of intense dedication you could come to some kind of useful conclusion, which is still going to be controversial and denied by thousands, of course. For a young person with fucked up hormones and overall health, its truly a nightmare. Meanwhile your friend eats mcdonalds every day sleeps 3h and jacks off 5 times per day has a perfectly clear skin and 3 girls on rotation. and here you are, experimenting weird megadoses of some random supplements which at best wont do anything and at worst will make your hair fall out

nutrition is not a big rabbit hole it only appears so because of charlatans like @Prettyboy and @kalefartbomb

Simply go look at the meta-analysis and randomized control trials done on HUMANS stop listening to what garbage comes out of random people's mouth and instead look at what the body of evidence tells you

 

[serbiangandy]

It’s so hard to evaluate every single food. Imo all you can really do is decisively eliminate certain foods. Anything with sugar, anything processed, vegetable oils, etc. whether you choose to go carnivore keto or paleo it doesn’t really matter a whole lot. Just don’t eat chemical junk and specialize your diet based on your experience with types of food

 

[autistic_tendencies]

I think lot of the nutrition rabbit hole is a psy op to make you fear everything. Fear = stress

 

[noodlelover]

A million controversies, what someone calls healthy other calls poisonous, and there is simply no way to discern who is in the right.

If you read and learn enough, you can figure it out.

The reason is plenty of authors and nutritionists are missing key theories, and conceptual understandings of different mechanisms, that once you come across those ideas you get a clearer picture of what's going on, and who's right and who's wrong.

Academic understanding of complexities of human body and its mechanisms is pre-requisite required merely to start researching and experimenting, and maybe after couple decades of intense dedication you could come to some kind of useful conclusion,

It doesn't take that long. Spend a couple years reading the best books on the subject, from a variety of different perspectives and you'll be light years ahead of every one else, including ahead of trained nutrition's which are taught propaganda that's not backed by science, and outdated ideas.

If an author brings up an outdated idea that you KNOW is factually wrong, such as "never skip breakfast", "many small meals a day", "everything in moderation", "add whole grains", "avoid meat", "add a cheat meal/cheat day", "take a daily multivitamin" then put down the book and don't waste any more time. If an author get's something basic like this wrong, they are going to get plenty more wrong as well (because they are a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to interpret scientific research) and you don't want to waste any more time reading the thoughts of an idiot when you could be reading something more educational.

which is still going to be controversial and denied by thousands, of course. For a young person with fucked up hormones and overall health, its truly a nightmare. Meanwhile your friend eats mcdonalds every day sleeps 3h and jacks off 5 times per day has a perfectly clear skin and 3 girls on rotation.

If what you're saying actually occurred there are only two possibilities:

1) He's young and has at most two years left of his current habits before he becomes subhuman/average looking. I've seen young pretty boys and girls (that every one was either jealous of or in love with) descend hard, and in less than a year, because of poor habits in college.

2) He's smart and creates that illusion. This involves LYING about what he eats, and rarely ever eating processed food, but going to places to take pictures where it looks like he's eating that food. You take a bite, spit it into a bag, take a picture, then dump the rest of the food in the trash. If you're with people, you have a few bites, say you're full from earlier, get a to-go container, then when you get home, throw it in the trash.

and here you are, experimenting weird megadoses of some random supplements which at best wont do anything and at worst will make your hair fall out

Most vitamins are harmful in large doses, and harmful when not in the combinations they come in, in whole foods like fruits, vegetables, eggs, and fish.

However there are a few specific ones that have been shown to have positive effects when taken solo, and in larger doses than you could ever get from whole foods. This is because these compounds are extremely useful to the body, but rare and expensive for nature to produce.

Looking at experiments in a wide variety of species (animals aren't going to have a placebo reaction), as well as humans, and having a decent theoretical/mechanistic understanding helps.

BTW, I've haven't come across any other users on this website that know shit about nutrition, or have read a single book on it. Do your own research.

 

[Moggable]

If an author brings up an outdated idea that you KNOW is factually wrong, such as "never skip breakfast", "many small meals a day", "everything in moderation", "add whole grains", "avoid meat", "add a cheat meal/cheat day", "take a daily multivitamin" then put down the book and don't waste any more time. If an author get's something basic like this wrong, they are going to get plenty more wrong as well (because they are a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to interpret scientific research) and you don't want to waste any more time reading the thoughts of an idiot when you could be reading something more educational.

fax. also if they have any of these names iykyk

 

[Chinacurry]

A million controversies, what someone calls healthy other calls poisonous, and there is simply no way to discern who is in the right. Academic understanding of complexities of human body and its mechanisms is pre-requisite required merely to start researching and experimenting, and maybe after couple decades of intense dedication you could come to some kind of useful conclusion, which is still going to be controversial and denied by thousands, of course. For a young person with fucked up hormones and overall health, its truly a nightmare. Meanwhile your friend eats mcdonalds every day sleeps 3h and jacks off 5 times per day has a perfectly clear skin and 3 girls on rotation. and here you are, experimenting weird megadoses of some random supplements which at best wont do anything and at worst will make your hair fall out

Everest IQ my man.

And yeah like the dude said don't eat shit that wasn't around 300 years ago. @kalefartbomb

But even then it's nit that simple, lifestyle is so different, food is so abundant, and farmig methods have gone to shit. 300 years ago ancestors prob ate less than 1200 cals a day, and always were in a surplus cos of how hard they worked, whereas our bodies metabolism is so different.

Then there's the debatable crap like oh well did ancestors eat beans or not, etc.

It's still not easy bhai.

 

[BucketCrab]

I think we should focus on what we know is bad for you instead of chasing the "perfect diet".
So for example we are reasonably sure that these foods are terrible for you:

• Alcoholic drinks.
• Sugary drinks (coke, soda).
• Hyper-salty foods (potato chips, cured meats).
• Fast food and fried food in general.
• Processed food, especially meat.
• Hyper-caloric, hyper-sweet foods (chocolate, cake, ice cream).

So we can already steer clear of those. What remains are generally "ok" foods that shouldn't cause issues.

Then, we just have to craft a good balanced diet, which has:

• the correct amount of macronutrients: carbohydrates, protein, fat.
• the correct amount of micronutrients such as fiber and omega-3.
• the correct amount of calories for our metabolism and energy expenditure.
• and you can top it off with a multivitamin pill to make sure you're getting all your vitamins and nutrients.

It's honestly that simple.
What makes nutrition hard is attempting to min-max every possible little thing, finding the "perfect superfood", or the "perfect weight loss diet". There's no secret formula to a good diet, only simple steps and a lot of consistency and perseverance.

What one should be wary of might be when you're always eating the same things, stuff like red meat for example can increase risk of cancer when eaten too often.

 

[kalefartbomb]

Everest IQ my man.

And yeah like the dude said don't eat shit that wasn't around 300 years ago. @kalefartbomb

But even then it's nit that simple, lifestyle is so different, food is so abundant, and farmig methods have gone to shit. 300 years ago ancestors prob ate less than 1200 cals a day, and always were in a surplus cos of how hard they worked, whereas our bodies metabolism is so different.

Then there's the debatable crap like oh well did ancestors eat beans or not, etc.

It's still not easy bhai.

I'd say (for a white european) :
1million to 10,000 years ago - very good ie meat, fish, eggs, raw dairy
10,000 to 500 years ago - ok depending on how its cooked and prepared ie fermented veg / rye bread
500 to 100 years ago - generally unhealthy but not bad in moderation ie potatoes, coffee, beet sugar
100 years ago to now - crap either nutritionally empty or designed to harm you ie cash crops, vegetable oils, HFCS etc

If some "expert" is saying you have to eat something only introduced a couple of hundred years ago to be healthy, you're dealing with a quack. Healthy is what we are adapted to eat and it takes thousands of years to change this adaptation.

 

[Chinacurry]

I'd say (for a white european) :
1million to 10,000 years ago - very good ie meat, fish, eggs, raw dairy
10,000 to 500 years ago - ok depending on how its cooked and prepared ie fermented veg / rye bread
500 to 100 years ago - generally unhealthy but not bad in moderation ie potatoes, coffee, beet sugar
100 years ago to now - crap either nutritionally empty or designed to harm you ie cash crops, vegetable oils, HFCS etc

If some "expert" is saying you have to eat something only introduced a couple of hundred years ago to be healthy, you're dealing with a quack. Healthy is what we are adapted to eat and it takes thousands of years to change this adaptation.

I totally agree, I'd go so far as to say, and I'm gonna talk just northern Europe here, that what they ate even 250 years ago was great.

well balanced macros, the processing they did had a purpose, like salting, bringing, smoking etc.

apparently legumes have been around for nearly 1200 years, so.shoud be fine Haha.

they also had a good intake of fruits and veg, something that now pretty much only meds, Japanese, and arguably Pacific islanders have (yes I know curries, ethnics, and ricemen eat fruit and veg but in all their recipes now they are over processed).

the problem I think is quantity, I think even 300 years ago a manual labourer prob ate like 50g of organ meat and 20g of real meat a day on average, with maybe a spoon of lard. so his body was super efficient.at using that energy, now with our abundance a typical meal in a cafe will be 150g of meat easily!

 

[kalefartbomb]

The fruit and veg that exists today isn't the same as what was around 1000 years ago, from a selective breeding point of view, and also due to the soil being depleted. That's why I think you can't draw a parallel between fermented vegetation which is a feature of pretty much every indigenous diet from the native americans to the far east and to south america... with modern consumption of vegetables that are altered to be more digestible raw which is a very unhealthy way to eat them. It's also a matter of social strata, people would eat as much meat as they could afford, the rich weren't feasting on quinoa and rolled oats, they were feasting on duck, lobster, gammon, wild pheasants etc. The point being that fermented veg and stuff like that is just a caloric filler, a less harmful way to consume plant calories and that people have always eaten as much meat and fish as they could, until very recently when propaganda has flipped that wisdom on its head.

 

[Deleted member 20565]

The fruit and veg that exists today isn't the same as what was around 1000 years ago, from a selective breeding point of view, and also due to the soil being depleted. That's why I think you can't draw a parallel between fermented vegetation which is a feature of pretty much every indigenous diet from the native americans to the far east and to south america... with modern consumption of vegetables that are altered to be more digestible raw which is a very unhealthy way to eat them. It's also a matter of social strata, people would eat as much meat as they could afford, the rich weren't feasting on quinoa and rolled oats, they were feasting on duck, lobster, gammon, wild pheasants etc. The point being that fermented veg and stuff like that is just a caloric filler, a less harmful way to consume plant calories and that people have always eaten as much meat and fish as they could, until very recently when propaganda has flipped that wisdom on its head.

are you clued in on why animal organs are so cheap and why they're considered ''waste''? they are incredibly nutritious, there has to be a catch.

 

[tooLOW]

are you clued in on why animal organs are so cheap and why they're considered ''waste''? they are incredibly nutritious, there has to be a catch.

there isnt a fucking catch
eat meat,organs,raw dairy
u get tall
u get healthy
u get lean
ur going to be happy

vegetables are poor mans food
you cant even get 10% of the stuff u get from meat from plant
rich in anti nutrients
too sugar heavy
worthless protein
shit fatty acids

 

[Deleted member 20565]

there isnt a fucking catch
eat meat,organs,raw dairy
u get tall
u get healthy
u get lean
ur going to be happy

vegetables are poor mans food
you cant even get 10% of the stuff u get from meat from plant
rich in anti nutrients
too sugar heavy
worthless protein
shit fatty acids

yeah but why are vegetables so expensive for the shit poorly absorbed nutrients they contain and organ meat is so cheap while being insanely nutritious, it just doesnt add up? are people disgusted by the fact theyre eating organs?

 

[tooLOW]

yeah but why are vegetables so expensive for the shit poorly absorbed nutrients they contain and organ meat is so cheap while being insanely nutritious, it just doesnt add up? are people disgusted by the fact theyre eating organs?

Look man meat is not cheap
if i say meat i mean high quality meat grass fed and organic
and
never get cheap pork and chicken (expect chicken breast)
since these animals absorb all the soy and shit they are fed in their fat
argans of all animals are good
since body needs to fucking survive it takes good care of organs and fill them with vitamins and minerals.

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

There is a way to discern who is right and it's by analysis of what your ancestors ate. That is all that matters. For any species its optimal diet is the closest thing to what its gut is adapted to eating which will be foods local to its native environment. So you need to ask yourself what foods those are, ignoring all the propaganda, marketing, fake studies and everything else that is designed to cloud your judgement.

I do agree it's a very deep rabbit hole though. Realising that so many industries and institutions are actively working against your interests is very redpilling.

you are the best poster on looksmax

 

[softlysoftly]

I've haven't come across any other users on this website that know shit about nutrition

I do but I am like overwhelmed as to where to start because of so much misinformation being passed around on here
lately I been trying to crack down on prettyboy and these elimination diet copers

 

[Moggable]

meat/organs + raw dairy + eggs + honey is probably the best diet you could eat. I see no issues with it. i’d add fruit but due to how unnatural it is nowadays I can’t say for sure is it’s as good as the other foods mentioned.

 

[softlysoftly]

i’d add fruit but due to how unnatural it is nowadays I can’t say for sure is it’s as good as the other foods mentioned.

are you retarded? fruits and veggies are like undoubtedly part of a healthy diet

 

[tooLOW]

are you retarded? fruits and veggies are like undoubtedly part of a healthy diet

fuck veggies

 

[Moggable]

are you retarded? fruits and veggies are like undoubtedly part of a healthy diet

why is that?

 

[Deleted member 5815]

certain populations did well and lived healthy lives on lowcarb others on high carb sometimes 70% white rice but everything went down hill after the introduction of seed oils it's main factor of modern diseases imo

I got rid of my autistic diet obsession and just try to avoid pufas, feeling good on dairy + eggs + gelatin/bone broth + fish/shellfish + organ meats + fruits + fermented and seasonal vegetables

 

[incel194012940]

fuck veggies

you sound like a toddler

 

[tooLOW]

you sound like a toddler

fuck you too