The official thread of why boobs>ass

It's so disgusting. Overly big breasts too.
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Don’t have time to read the replies so excuse me if this has already been said but:

Whilst amazing tits are coomfuel, they are much rarer and harder to find. There are more factors that go into a great pair. Breast size, nipple size, nipple colour, sagginess, symmetry. Chances are, you will never find someone irl with all of those ideal.

However, an ass only needs to be big. It’s impossible to have assymetrical cheeks, there is no nipple factor, and colour matters less. Saggy asses only happen with older women, but there are plenty of young women with saggy tits.

To some, this may make tits more attractive due to the rarity factor, but whats the point when you will never get that in person. Plus, you can’t tell if they’re good until you see her naked. She could have weird nipples, and even they seem big she could be wearing a push-up bra. It’s far harder and rarer to fraud a good ass.

Also, there is less you can do with tits. It’s more visual. You can squeeze them and suck them, but that’s about it. Titjobs are overhyped and kinda impractical. Asses? You literally get to fuck them. Spank them too. Boobs are too sensitive to spank.

Another thing, a girl with a good ass almost always has a good hip width too, and hence is also more likely to have a good hip:waist ratio.

Overall, you made some valid points, but I am still Team Ass all the way. Good thread.
 
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Don’t have time to read the replies so excuse me if this has already been said but:

Whilst amazing tits are coomfuel, they are much rarer and harder to find. There are more factors that go into a great pair. Breast size, nipple size, nipple colour, sagginess, symmetry. Chances are, you will never find someone irl with all of those ideal.

However, an ass only needs to be big. It’s impossible to have assymetrical cheeks, there is no nipple factor, and colour matters less. Saggy asses only happen with older women, but there are plenty of young women with saggy tits.

To some, this may make tits more attractive due to the rarity factor, but whats the point when you will never get that in person. Plus, you can’t tell if they’re good until you see her naked. She could have weird nipples, and even they seem big she could be wearing a push-up bra. It’s far harder and rarer to fraud a good ass.

Also, there is less you can do with tits. It’s more visual. You can squeeze them and suck them, but that’s about it. Titjobs are overhyped and kinda impractical. Asses? You literally get to fuck them. Spank them too. Boobs are too sensitive to spank.

Another thing, a girl with a good ass almost always has a good hip width too, and hence is also more likely to have a good hip:waist ratio.

Overall, you made some valid points, but I am still Team Ass all the way. Good thread.
Yeah that’s what I said in the thread just in different words basically.
 
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this body fogs imo everyone has their preference.
 

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My first love was big tit smaller ass 😕
 
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I was saying all ts 10 years ago. Thanks for providing some evidence to back me up
 
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good thread boobs mog
 
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Well i saw that yall really wanted me to make it so here we go:

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The official thread of why boobs>ass

Propotions MATTER, so that means that having nice big boobs wont save your girl if her ass is nonexistent. So in this thread I’m not pointing out that boobs are the only thing that matter but that it’s just better than ass. BTW if you read all the thread you’re mentally ill.

View attachment 3823170


Evolutionary hardcoding
women are the only species where the breasts stay enlarged even when not lactating. That’s not a coincidence, it evolved specifically to grab attention. Boobs aren’t just “fat sacks,” they’re a signal. They say: “I’ve got estrogen, I can reproduce, and I’ve never had a kid yet (if they’re perky and symmetrical).”

Ass? Useful, yeah. Holds fat reserves, shows lumbar curve strength. But every human has an ass. Breasts are unique to women, making them a more exclusive visual cue. You don’t subconsciously crave a trait that both sexes can have.


Study receipts:

Desmond Morris and Owen Lovejoy argue breasts imitate buttocks to signal sexual maturity and grab attention frontally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleavage_(breasts)


A sharp eye-tracking review confirms evolution wired us to see torso cues, especially boobs, as markers of reproductive value. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6491769/


Visual Circuitry: First Glance Wins


Within 200 ms of seeing a sexy body, the brain’s locking onto the breasts or waist—not the face, not the butt. Breasts are part of the “visual triangle” (eyes to face to cleavage); powerful layout, high arousal.

study receipts

In one eye-tracking experiment, 47 % of men looked at the breasts first, 33 % at the waist,
only 20 % at the face or lower body.

More broad work shows that first fixations land on breasts or waist within 200 ms, and the gaze sticks longer there vs. hips/legs.


Hormone Signals: Boobs Speak Biology


Big, firm, symmetrical, perky breasts = direct estrogen signposts; they also drop hints of age, parity, and fertility. The waist-to-bust ratio, bikini curves , it’s all hormonal billboard pop culture uses, but the biology’s real.

Study receipts:

Men rate medium-to-large, round, perky, non-saggy breasts with close-set nipples as most attractive, firmness and youth-over-size matter.

Colors matter: darker areolae = deeper youth/fertility cues, and men rated those more attractive.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20169468/?utm_source=Google


Asses can be built, boobs can’t

A girl’s ass can be changed, so it’s not rare to see a girl with a nice ass, but seeing a girl with nice boobs is different, especially if she’s between 14-20. They got it naturally and it’s making it rarer to see a girl with nice tits.

What would you prefer:

nice
boobs

View attachment 3823250
(Credit to @PseudoMaxxer)

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View attachment 3823270



Nice ass

View attachment 3823265

View attachment 3823271

View attachment 3823273

Conclusion:
At the end of the day, proportions matter far more than any single feature. You can’t seriously claim a girl is attractive just because she has nice boobs if her lower half is completely lacking, same thing the other way around. A good body is about balance and symmetry.

Now, that being said, if I had to choose between the two, I’d go with boobs , and here’s why: a girl can grow her glutes over time. With consistent training, nutrition, and even some enhancements, a flat ass can turn into a bubble butt. But boobs? That’s genetic. You either got them or you don’t. And most of the time, unless surgery is involved, even then it won’t look natural. you’re not changing your cup size naturally.

So while both are important aesthetically, boobs have the upper hand because they’re harder to “build.” You can sculpt an ass, you can’t sculpt breasts. Proportions will always be king, but in terms of raw, unchangeable value, boobs win.
Bad boobs are exuding low quality, unlike ass that shows that girl isn’t a whore. Big ass=whore trait.



Yeah it’s a shitty thread but just wanted to make it clear: proportions >boobs > ass.

So… what your guys opinions? Ass or tits?


tags:
@AverageTevvezFan @Zagro @BonesmashFinalBoss @kazama



tits>ass ofc
 
I cuddled this girl once and just closed my eyes thinking about her brutal shit
She rejected me, I didn’t even got to know her. But she’s try hottest girl I have even seen.
 
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She rejected me, I didn’t even got to know her. But she’s try hottest girl I have even seen.
It’s gonna be more brutal if u get into 2 years on and off relationship
 
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Well i saw that yall really wanted me to make it so here we go:

Song of the thread:
Song:



The official thread of why boobs>ass

Propotions MATTER, so that means that having nice big boobs wont save your girl if her ass is nonexistent. So in this thread I’m not pointing out that boobs are the only thing that matter but that it’s just better than ass. BTW if you read all the thread you’re mentally ill.

View attachment 3823170


Evolutionary hardcoding
women are the only species where the breasts stay enlarged even when not lactating. That’s not a coincidence, it evolved specifically to grab attention. Boobs aren’t just “fat sacks,” they’re a signal. They say: “I’ve got estrogen, I can reproduce, and I’ve never had a kid yet (if they’re perky and symmetrical).”

Ass? Useful, yeah. Holds fat reserves, shows lumbar curve strength. But every human has an ass. Breasts are unique to women, making them a more exclusive visual cue. You don’t subconsciously crave a trait that both sexes can have.


Study receipts:

Desmond Morris and Owen Lovejoy argue breasts imitate buttocks to signal sexual maturity and grab attention frontally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleavage_(breasts)


A sharp eye-tracking review confirms evolution wired us to see torso cues, especially boobs, as markers of reproductive value. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6491769/


Visual Circuitry: First Glance Wins


Within 200 ms of seeing a sexy body, the brain’s locking onto the breasts or waist—not the face, not the butt. Breasts are part of the “visual triangle” (eyes to face to cleavage); powerful layout, high arousal.

study receipts

In one eye-tracking experiment, 47 % of men looked at the breasts first, 33 % at the waist,
only 20 % at the face or lower body.

More broad work shows that first fixations land on breasts or waist within 200 ms, and the gaze sticks longer there vs. hips/legs.


Hormone Signals: Boobs Speak Biology


Big, firm, symmetrical, perky breasts = direct estrogen signposts; they also drop hints of age, parity, and fertility. The waist-to-bust ratio, bikini curves , it’s all hormonal billboard pop culture uses, but the biology’s real.

Study receipts:

Men rate medium-to-large, round, perky, non-saggy breasts with close-set nipples as most attractive, firmness and youth-over-size matter.

Colors matter: darker areolae = deeper youth/fertility cues, and men rated those more attractive.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20169468/?utm_source=Google


Asses can be built, boobs can’t

A girl’s ass can be changed, so it’s not rare to see a girl with a nice ass, but seeing a girl with nice boobs is different, especially if she’s between 14-20. They got it naturally and it’s making it rarer to see a girl with nice tits.

What would you prefer:

nice
boobs

View attachment 3823250
(Credit to @PseudoMaxxer)

View attachment 3823252
View attachment 3823256
View attachment 3823270



Nice ass

View attachment 3823265

View attachment 3823271

View attachment 3823273

Conclusion:
At the end of the day, proportions matter far more than any single feature. You can’t seriously claim a girl is attractive just because she has nice boobs if her lower half is completely lacking, same thing the other way around. A good body is about balance and symmetry.

Now, that being said, if I had to choose between the two, I’d go with boobs , and here’s why: a girl can grow her glutes over time. With consistent training, nutrition, and even some enhancements, a flat ass can turn into a bubble butt. But boobs? That’s genetic. You either got them or you don’t. And most of the time, unless surgery is involved, even then it won’t look natural. you’re not changing your cup size naturally.

So while both are important aesthetically, boobs have the upper hand because they’re harder to “build.” You can sculpt an ass, you can’t sculpt breasts. Proportions will always be king, but in terms of raw, unchangeable value, boobs win.
Bad boobs are exuding low quality, unlike ass that shows that girl isn’t a whore. Big ass=whore trait.



Yeah it’s a shitty thread but just wanted to make it clear: proportions >boobs > ass.

So… what your guys opinions? Ass or tits?


tags:
@AverageTevvezFan @Zagro @BonesmashFinalBoss @kazama



mirin high effort
 
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ass fogs

but both are good :love:
 
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It’s gonna be more brutal if u get into 2 years on and off relationship
Yeah probably. I didn’t really care about her I just admire her beauty tbh.
 
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Water thread
Well i saw that yall really wanted me to make it so here we go:

Song of the thread:
Song:



The official thread of why boobs>ass

Propotions MATTER, so that means that having nice big boobs wont save your girl if her ass is nonexistent. So in this thread I’m not pointing out that boobs are the only thing that matter but that it’s just better than ass. BTW if you read all the thread you’re mentally ill.

View attachment 3823170


Evolutionary hardcoding
women are the only species where the breasts stay enlarged even when not lactating. That’s not a coincidence, it evolved specifically to grab attention. Boobs aren’t just “fat sacks,” they’re a signal. They say: “I’ve got estrogen, I can reproduce, and I’ve never had a kid yet (if they’re perky and symmetrical).”

Ass? Useful, yeah. Holds fat reserves, shows lumbar curve strength. But every human has an ass. Breasts are unique to women, making them a more exclusive visual cue. You don’t subconsciously crave a trait that both sexes can have.


Study receipts:

Desmond Morris and Owen Lovejoy argue breasts imitate buttocks to signal sexual maturity and grab attention frontally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleavage_(breasts)


A sharp eye-tracking review confirms evolution wired us to see torso cues, especially boobs, as markers of reproductive value. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6491769/


Visual Circuitry: First Glance Wins


Within 200 ms of seeing a sexy body, the brain’s locking onto the breasts or waist—not the face, not the butt. Breasts are part of the “visual triangle” (eyes to face to cleavage); powerful layout, high arousal.

study receipts

In one eye-tracking experiment, 47 % of men looked at the breasts first, 33 % at the waist,
only 20 % at the face or lower body.

More broad work shows that first fixations land on breasts or waist within 200 ms, and the gaze sticks longer there vs. hips/legs.


Hormone Signals: Boobs Speak Biology


Big, firm, symmetrical, perky breasts = direct estrogen signposts; they also drop hints of age, parity, and fertility. The waist-to-bust ratio, bikini curves , it’s all hormonal billboard pop culture uses, but the biology’s real.

Study receipts:

Men rate medium-to-large, round, perky, non-saggy breasts with close-set nipples as most attractive, firmness and youth-over-size matter.

Colors matter: darker areolae = deeper youth/fertility cues, and men rated those more attractive.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20169468/?utm_source=Google


Asses can be built, boobs can’t

A girl’s ass can be changed, so it’s not rare to see a girl with a nice ass, but seeing a girl with nice boobs is different, especially if she’s between 14-20. They got it naturally and it’s making it rarer to see a girl with nice tits.

What would you prefer:

nice
boobs

View attachment 3823250
(Credit to @PseudoMaxxer)

View attachment 3823252
View attachment 3823256
View attachment 3823270



Nice ass

View attachment 3823265

View attachment 3823271

View attachment 3823273

Conclusion:
At the end of the day, proportions matter far more than any single feature. You can’t seriously claim a girl is attractive just because she has nice boobs if her lower half is completely lacking, same thing the other way around. A good body is about balance and symmetry.

Now, that being said, if I had to choose between the two, I’d go with boobs , and here’s why: a girl can grow her glutes over time. With consistent training, nutrition, and even some enhancements, a flat ass can turn into a bubble butt. But boobs? That’s genetic. You either got them or you don’t. And most of the time, unless surgery is involved, even then it won’t look natural. you’re not changing your cup size naturally.

So while both are important aesthetically, boobs have the upper hand because they’re harder to “build.” You can sculpt an ass, you can’t sculpt breasts. Proportions will always be king, but in terms of raw, unchangeable value, boobs win.
Bad boobs are exuding low quality, unlike ass that shows that girl isn’t a whore. Big ass=whore trait.



Yeah it’s a shitty thread but just wanted to make it clear: proportions >boobs > ass.

So… what your guys opinions? Ass or tits?


tags:
@AverageTevvezFan @Zagro @BonesmashFinalBoss @kazama


 
Thanks for reminding me to never visit this site when doing no fap
 
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Well i saw that yall really wanted me to make it so here we go:

Song of the thread:
Song:



The official thread of why boobs>ass

Propotions MATTER, so that means that having nice big boobs wont save your girl if her ass is nonexistent. So in this thread I’m not pointing out that boobs are the only thing that matter but that it’s just better than ass. BTW if you read all the thread you’re mentally ill.

View attachment 3823170


Evolutionary hardcoding
women are the only species where the breasts stay enlarged even when not lactating. That’s not a coincidence, it evolved specifically to grab attention. Boobs aren’t just “fat sacks,” they’re a signal. They say: “I’ve got estrogen, I can reproduce, and I’ve never had a kid yet (if they’re perky and symmetrical).”

Ass? Useful, yeah. Holds fat reserves, shows lumbar curve strength. But every human has an ass. Breasts are unique to women, making them a more exclusive visual cue. You don’t subconsciously crave a trait that both sexes can have.


Study receipts:

Desmond Morris and Owen Lovejoy argue breasts imitate buttocks to signal sexual maturity and grab attention frontally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleavage_(breasts)


A sharp eye-tracking review confirms evolution wired us to see torso cues, especially boobs, as markers of reproductive value. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6491769/


Visual Circuitry: First Glance Wins


Within 200 ms of seeing a sexy body, the brain’s locking onto the breasts or waist—not the face, not the butt. Breasts are part of the “visual triangle” (eyes to face to cleavage); powerful layout, high arousal.

study receipts

In one eye-tracking experiment, 47 % of men looked at the breasts first, 33 % at the waist,
only 20 % at the face or lower body.

More broad work shows that first fixations land on breasts or waist within 200 ms, and the gaze sticks longer there vs. hips/legs.


Hormone Signals: Boobs Speak Biology


Big, firm, symmetrical, perky breasts = direct estrogen signposts; they also drop hints of age, parity, and fertility. The waist-to-bust ratio, bikini curves , it’s all hormonal billboard pop culture uses, but the biology’s real.

Study receipts:

Men rate medium-to-large, round, perky, non-saggy breasts with close-set nipples as most attractive, firmness and youth-over-size matter.

Colors matter: darker areolae = deeper youth/fertility cues, and men rated those more attractive.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20169468/?utm_source=Google


Asses can be built, boobs can’t

A girl’s ass can be changed, so it’s not rare to see a girl with a nice ass, but seeing a girl with nice boobs is different, especially if she’s between 14-20. They got it naturally and it’s making it rarer to see a girl with nice tits.

What would you prefer:

nice
boobs

View attachment 3823250
(Credit to @PseudoMaxxer)

View attachment 3823252
View attachment 3823256
View attachment 3823270



Nice ass

View attachment 3823265

View attachment 3823271

View attachment 3823273

Conclusion:
At the end of the day, proportions matter far more than any single feature. You can’t seriously claim a girl is attractive just because she has nice boobs if her lower half is completely lacking, same thing the other way around. A good body is about balance and symmetry.

Now, that being said, if I had to choose between the two, I’d go with boobs , and here’s why: a girl can grow her glutes over time. With consistent training, nutrition, and even some enhancements, a flat ass can turn into a bubble butt. But boobs? That’s genetic. You either got them or you don’t. And most of the time, unless surgery is involved, even then it won’t look natural. you’re not changing your cup size naturally.

So while both are important aesthetically, boobs have the upper hand because they’re harder to “build.” You can sculpt an ass, you can’t sculpt breasts. Proportions will always be king, but in terms of raw, unchangeable value, boobs win.
Bad boobs are exuding low quality, unlike ass that shows that girl isn’t a whore. Big ass=whore trait.



Yeah it’s a shitty thread but just wanted to make it clear: proportions >boobs > ass.

So… what your guys opinions? Ass or tits?


tags:
@AverageTevvezFan @Zagro @BonesmashFinalBoss @kazama



I prefer the waist a thousand time but yeah I solid agree. Get this on botb
 
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I prefer the waist a thousand time but yeah I solid agree. Get this on botb
How do you even get attracted to a girl’s waist? I mean yeah if her waist is too blocky it will turn me off but I never got attracted to a girl because of her waist.
 
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Small boobs and big ass >> big boobs and small ass



Now big boobs with medium ass >>> medium boobs with big ass
 
Small boobs and big ass >> big boobs and small ass



Now big boobs with medium ass >>> medium boobs with big ass
“stay with me now” ahh
 
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great thread. but DNR.

i personally prefer ass, @kazama what about you
:feelshmm: very very difficult tbh, for a casual fling? Ass, for something lasting? Breasts
The bigger the ass the harder it is for my penis to enter, and thats hard when ur country is known for asses :feelshehe:
@copercel123 wtf man, this thread of urs is making me think. This is harder than I thought ngl
 
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I cant find a term to say which one I prefer
good boobs: they seem to be wonderful for foreplay
Good ass: looks good for sex, but.....breasts :feelsrope:
@jeff1234 IDK, I think the shape of the butt would matter more
 
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I cant find a term to say which one I prefer
good boobs: they seem to be wonderful for foreplay
Good ass: looks good for sex, but.....breasts :feelsrope:
@jeff1234 IDK, I think the shape of the butt would matter more
Yeah I get it.
 
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bump NIGGAS, boobs is high T
 
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I cant find a term to say which one I prefer
good boobs: they seem to be wonderful for foreplay
Good ass: looks good for sex, but.....breasts :feelsrope:
@jeff1234 IDK, I think the shape of the butt would matter more
yeah thats too, but its harder to have good tits rather thang odd ass
 
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Well i saw that yall really wanted me to make it so here we go:

Song of the thread:
Song:



The official thread of why boobs>ass

Propotions MATTER, so that means that having nice big boobs wont save your girl if her ass is nonexistent. So in this thread I’m not pointing out that boobs are the only thing that matter but that it’s just better than ass. BTW if you read all the thread you’re mentally ill.

View attachment 3823170


Evolutionary hardcoding
women are the only species where the breasts stay enlarged even when not lactating. That’s not a coincidence, it evolved specifically to grab attention. Boobs aren’t just “fat sacks,” they’re a signal. They say: “I’ve got estrogen, I can reproduce, and I’ve never had a kid yet (if they’re perky and symmetrical).”

Ass? Useful, yeah. Holds fat reserves, shows lumbar curve strength. But every human has an ass. Breasts are unique to women, making them a more exclusive visual cue. You don’t subconsciously crave a trait that both sexes can have.


Study receipts:

Desmond Morris and Owen Lovejoy argue breasts imitate buttocks to signal sexual maturity and grab attention frontally. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleavage_(breasts)


A sharp eye-tracking review confirms evolution wired us to see torso cues, especially boobs, as markers of reproductive value. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6491769/


Visual Circuitry: First Glance Wins


Within 200 ms of seeing a sexy body, the brain’s locking onto the breasts or waist—not the face, not the butt. Breasts are part of the “visual triangle” (eyes to face to cleavage); powerful layout, high arousal.

study receipts

In one eye-tracking experiment, 47 % of men looked at the breasts first, 33 % at the waist,
only 20 % at the face or lower body.

More broad work shows that first fixations land on breasts or waist within 200 ms, and the gaze sticks longer there vs. hips/legs.


Hormone Signals: Boobs Speak Biology


Big, firm, symmetrical, perky breasts = direct estrogen signposts; they also drop hints of age, parity, and fertility. The waist-to-bust ratio, bikini curves , it’s all hormonal billboard pop culture uses, but the biology’s real.

Study receipts:

Men rate medium-to-large, round, perky, non-saggy breasts with close-set nipples as most attractive, firmness and youth-over-size matter.

Colors matter: darker areolae = deeper youth/fertility cues, and men rated those more attractive.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20169468/?utm_source=Google


Asses can be built, boobs can’t

A girl’s ass can be changed, so it’s not rare to see a girl with a nice ass, but seeing a girl with nice boobs is different, especially if she’s between 14-20. They got it naturally and it’s making it rarer to see a girl with nice tits.

What would you prefer:

nice
boobs

View attachment 3823250
(Credit to @PseudoMaxxer)

View attachment 3823252
View attachment 3823256
View attachment 3823270



Nice ass

View attachment 3823265

View attachment 3823271

View attachment 3823273

Conclusion:
At the end of the day, proportions matter far more than any single feature. You can’t seriously claim a girl is attractive just because she has nice boobs if her lower half is completely lacking, same thing the other way around. A good body is about balance and symmetry.

Now, that being said, if I had to choose between the two, I’d go with boobs , and here’s why: a girl can grow her glutes over time. With consistent training, nutrition, and even some enhancements, a flat ass can turn into a bubble butt. But boobs? That’s genetic. You either got them or you don’t. And most of the time, unless surgery is involved, even then it won’t look natural. you’re not changing your cup size naturally.

So while both are important aesthetically, boobs have the upper hand because they’re harder to “build.” You can sculpt an ass, you can’t sculpt breasts. Proportions will always be king, but in terms of raw, unchangeable value, boobs win.
Bad boobs are exuding low quality, unlike ass that shows that girl isn’t a whore. Big ass=whore trait.



Yeah it’s a shitty thread but just wanted to make it clear: proportions >boobs > ass.

So… what your guys opinions? Ass or tits?


tags:
@AverageTevvezFan @Zagro @BonesmashFinalBoss @kazama



@The Homelander @True truecel @Сигма Бой @LTNUser @2025cel bump this boys!
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How do you even get attracted to a girl’s waist? I mean yeah if her waist is too blocky it will turn me off but I never got attracted to a girl because of her waist.
And I never get attracted to a girl because of her boobs I just say that I'd rather her having a good waist than good boobs
 
Porn is bad not gooning
Gooning without porn just makes me stare at my dick throbbing after nutting sex is best but here won’t experience that
 

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