The price of becoming visible... LM and BP has both made my life better and worse.

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To start I’m 20, and I’ve been in the LM & BP for 3-4 years now. I was lurking on the forums before I ever made an account. And every year, I only go deeper


I was always an outcast. At 16–17 I was around 5'2–5'3, ugly, skinny as bones, barely had friends, never approached girls, and no girl ever approached me. My teenage years were basically me watching everyone else live while I stayed in the background like I wasn’t even a person.

I only liked 2 girls back then. When my friend mentioned that me and one of them would look cute together, she said she’d kill herself. The second girl once got offered a hat I had worn. She asked if it was mine, and when she found out it was, she threw it on the ground and said, “Ew, get that away from me, I’d never wear that.”

That stuck with me alot... It taught me that having a bad appearance doesn’t just make you invisible, it makes people treat your existence like if its a contamination, as if its something that should not be there.

I was kind. I tried my best to be good to ppl. I never had bad intentions but none of it mattered. No matter how I acted or what I did, I was used, ignored, bullied, and thrown away whenever I stopped being useful. The only one who showed love to me was my mom.

At 18 I was abt 5'8 and looked slightly better but that changed nothing. Still antisocial, still a KHHV, still watching girls look disappointed whenever they had to work with me.

I asked one girl out and she leaked it to the whole school. I then found out that she told her group of friends that even the thought of me made her want to puke.


Everywhere I looked, every person I consulted who had girls, who had friends, who were blessed with their life always told me the same bullshit.
“Just be confident.”
“Be yourself.”
Being myself was exactly what people hated.

Now I’m 20, finally around 6', and I look better compared to before (still nowhere near where i WANT to be tho). Suddenly people are nicer. Girls approach me. Girls who rejected me came back and admit they're obsessed with me. The same person I was that was once treated like a burden is now called funny and confident.

My actual personality never actually changed, I just became more acceptable to look at which indirectly made me more confident, thats it...

Now I see life for what it actually is, that looks really are basically everything. But I can’t even enjoy it. I look in the mirror and don’t see myself. I see every flaw I have, I see my hairline, gonial angle, high ramus, recessed mandible. Its gotten to the point where I’ve scheduled bimax surgery for when I get my inheritance and planning for more. I take pills and injectables just to drag myself closer to a life other men were handed at birth.

The Philosopher Schopenhauer was right, desire never ends.

First I wanted to be seen. Now I’m seen and I still feel defective. Doing all this, just granted me the ability to receive basic humanity.

Some people are born into bodies that make life forgiving. They get love, attention, confidence and experience early enough to think they earned it. Those people are given fufillment from birth.
While many people like me have to do unordinary things to try to imitate a fraction of what they achieved by living. The world is so unfair, but there's nothing to do about it for people like us other than doing the extreme.

Below is attached of what I looked at 16-17 vs now
 

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Those who were born at worse odds and overcame oftentimes have stronger wills than those who were spoonfed everything
 
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Those who were born at worse odds and overcame oftentimes have stronger wills than those who were spoonfed everything
Love that. When life gives you nothing, every part of you has to be built on purpose
 
I agree with everything that you said, in the post. Life really is fucked for people that are exposed to the black-pill. Whether you ascend or not your perception of the world has been blighted. Your innocence has been taken away in a sense.

I know it is hard and you want to be better looking because you feel like once you reach the next desire the pain will go away but I would be very very careful with surgeries. Honestly, I don't think you need them because you look amazing as it is.

I am not saying that to make you feel better. Genuinely you look really good.

I have seen what those surgeries do to other people and the surgeons poorly structure the face when doing them. Even if they are trying to make it look "natural". it gives a very off-putting look on many people even when it is not done to the extreme.

Unless that is not the best picture of you currently I would not suggest getting surgeries because based on the photo I would say that you look completely fine.

This is just a heads up because I don't want you to ruin your life, or make a situation worse out of desperation.
 
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I agree with everything that you said, in the post. Life really is fucked for people that are exposed to the black-pill. Whether you ascend or not your perception of the world has been blighted. Your innocence has been taken away in a sense.

I know it is hard and you want to be better looking because you feel like once you reach the next desire the pain will go away but I would be very very careful with surgeries. Honestly, I don't think you need them because you look amazing as it is.

I am not saying that to make you feel better. Genuinely you look really good.

I have seen what those surgeries do to other people and the surgeons poorly structure the face when doing them. Even if they are trying to make it look "natural". it gives a very off-putting look on many people even when it is not done to the extreme.

Unless that is not the best picture of you currently I would not suggest getting surgeries because based on the photo I would say that you look completely fine.

This is just a heads up because I don't want you to ruin your life, or make a situation worse out of desperation.
I appreciate you telling me I look good. Its not the best picture currently it was js a screenshot from a vid.

Also should mention for surgeries, I have it planned for multiple reasons, looks are a very big part of it but my airways are very poorly obstructed which has its own implications.

The front does not show how bad it actually is from the side, my side profile is probably the main thing that I spend my time being stuck on it about.

The only 2 surgeries im actually planning for is Bimax and a nose surgery where both are necessary health implications and would help looks aswell. as for the nose I have a bone/cartilage growing in a very weird place which causes my sinuses to be disrupted every here and there, and that causes everything to taste and smell like shit.

Thank you for the advice though, its duly noted. I hope I dont stray so far off where I put myself in a bad spot like you said out of desperation
 
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To start I’m 20, and I’ve been in the LM & BP for 3-4 years now. I was lurking on the forums before I ever made an account. And every year, I only go deeper


I was always an outcast. At 16–17 I was around 5'2–5'3, ugly, skinny as bones, barely had friends, never approached girls, and no girl ever approached me. My teenage years were basically me watching everyone else live while I stayed in the background like I wasn’t even a person.

I only liked 2 girls back then. When my friend mentioned that me and one of them would look cute together, she said she’d kill herself. The second girl once got offered a hat I had worn. She asked if it was mine, and when she found out it was, she threw it on the ground and said, “Ew, get that away from me, I’d never wear that.”

That stuck with me alot... It taught me that having a bad appearance doesn’t just make you invisible, it makes people treat your existence like if its a contamination, as if its something that should not be there.

I was kind. I tried my best to be good to ppl. I never had bad intentions but none of it mattered. No matter how I acted or what I did, I was used, ignored, bullied, and thrown away whenever I stopped being useful. The only one who showed love to me was my mom.

At 18 I was abt 5'8 and looked slightly better but that changed nothing. Still antisocial, still a KHHV, still watching girls look disappointed whenever they had to work with me.

I asked one girl out and she leaked it to the whole school. I then found out that she told her group of friends that even the thought of me made her want to puke.


Everywhere I looked, every person I consulted who had girls, who had friends, who were blessed with their life always told me the same bullshit.
“Just be confident.”
“Be yourself.”
Being myself was exactly what people hated.

Now I’m 20, finally around 6', and I look better compared to before (still nowhere near where i WANT to be tho). Suddenly people are nicer. Girls approach me. Girls who rejected me came back and admit they're obsessed with me. The same person I was that was once treated like a burden is now called funny and confident.

My actual personality never actually changed, I just became more acceptable to look at which indirectly made me more confident, thats it...

Now I see life for what it actually is, that looks really are basically everything. But I can’t even enjoy it. I look in the mirror and don’t see myself. I see every flaw I have, I see my hairline, gonial angle, high ramus, recessed mandible. Its gotten to the point where I’ve scheduled bimax surgery for when I get my inheritance and planning for more. I take pills and injectables just to drag myself closer to a life other men were handed at birth.

The Philosopher Schopenhauer was right, desire never ends.

First I wanted to be seen. Now I’m seen and I still feel defective. Doing all this, just granted me the ability to receive basic humanity.

Some people are born into bodies that make life forgiving. They get love, attention, confidence and experience early enough to think they earned it. Those people are given fufillment from birth.
While many people like me have to do unordinary things to try to imitate a fraction of what they achieved by living. The world is so unfair, but there's nothing to do about it for people like us other than doing the extreme.

Below is attached of what I looked at 16-17 vs now
Nigga all u did was hit puberty :lul::lul::lul::lul:
bro acting like he did something difficult
 
Nigga all u did was hit puberty :lul::lul::lul::lul:
bro acting like he did something difficult
lmao as if, I was alr mid puberty at 17-18 still looked just as shit😂. And ik that cuz i used to take blood work as my parents tried to put me on GH replacement. Even a year ago at 19 i wasnt that much better
 
lmao as if, I was alr mid puberty at 17-18 still looked just as shit😂. And ik that cuz i used to take blood work as my parents tried to put me on GH replacement. Even a year ago at 19 i wasnt that much better
If u grew from 5'2 to 6' thats obviously means puberty did the hard lifting for basically everything, including your bone structure :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
If u grew from 5'2 to 6' thats obviously means puberty did the hard lifting for basically everything, including your bone structure :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Late growth spurt ≠ Everything fixes itself, was put on low dose GH for a while since they saw my plates were still open. Hope you have a great day tho brother
 
Late growth spurt ≠ Everything fixes itself, was put on low dose GH for a while since they saw my plates were still open. Hope you have a great day tho brother
Alr im just saying u lucked out.
 
Alr im just saying u lucked out.
I def think genetics played some role in it, but even post puberty compared to a year ago shits measurably different. I appreciate the perspective tho
 

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