The problem with eye area versus jaw area comparisons, and why this is difficult to answer.

[Ergogenic]

Let us look into both sides of the debate.



(1) EYES over jaw statement: Eyes are more important than jaw because they are the first feature that is noticed on a face. They are a window to the "soul" because that is what we sense from and all share in common. Eyes can show intentions.



(2) EYES over jaw statement: Eyes can reveal health. Bad eyes can destroy a face with other good features.



(1) JAW over eyes statement: Jaw is more important because it shows dimorphism between masculinity and femininity. A strong and defined jaw is what makes a hyper masculine man.



(2) JAW over eyes statement: Look at all pretty boys that women and girls love and crush on. All pretty boys have good jawlines and low fat on faces, but many pretty boys have upper eyelid exposure.



I could not think about any additional reasons or evidence for either side.



You will often read from a higher percentage of users that eyes are more important than jaw according to morphs. The problem with this claim is that the morphs are fundamentally flawed because they always show a decent jaw or a jaw that is not absolutely awful with only the eyes being either hooded hunter eyes or bad eyes. What if only one feature was good, and the other feature was terrible?



I tried to make this comparison as fair as I could by having only one good feature with the rest being bad.

Left side shows hyper masculine and dimorphic jaw with bad eyes.

Right side shows hooded hunter eyes and under developed and bad jaw.

"Both look bad and uncanny".

"They both have no harmony".

My response: This was intentional. This is to highlight which individual feature is more important when other features are bad. I created these to be as fair as I could by mirroring both images and only modifying one area.

That is all I have to write here. Share your thoughts. Provide your side and evidence / reasons. - Ergogenic

 

[Ergogenic]

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[Vitavie]

Not so fair because big jaw also has big neck

I think eyes take it

 

[Ergogenic]

Dimorphism is the first indicator of beauty

Your statement seems to be in support of jaw over eyes. Is that correct?

 

[mistake67]

 

[Ergogenic]

Not so fair because big jaw also has big neck

I think eyes take it

Interesting. I made the neck thicker because that is also dimorphic and next to the jaw bones. Eyes are not inherently dimorphic, I think.

 

[Ascensionsoon]

Those images genuinely terrify me

 

[jailcel]

is that o'pry's eyes

 

[Lemur]

Let us look into both sides of the debate.



(1) EYES over jaw statement: Eyes are more important than jaw because they are the first feature that is noticed on a face. They are a window to the "soul" because that is what we sense from and all share in common. Eyes can show intentions.



(2) EYES over jaw statement: Eyes can reveal health. Bad eyes can destroy a face with other good features.



(1) JAW over eyes statement: Jaw is more important because it shows dimorphism between masculinity and femininity. A strong and defined jaw is what makes a hyper masculine man.



(2) JAW over eyes statement: Look at all pretty boys that women and girls love and crush on. All pretty boys have good jawlines and low fat on faces, but many pretty boys have upper eyelid exposure.



I could not think about any additional reasons or evidence for either side.



You will often read from a higher percentage of users that eyes are more important than jaw according to morphs. The problem with this claim is that the morphs are fundamentally flawed because they always show a decent jaw or a jaw that is not absolutely awful with only the eyes being either hooded hunter eyes or bad eyes. What if only one feature was good, and the other feature was terrible?



I tried to make this comparison as fair as I could by having only one good feature with the rest being bad.

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Left side shows hyper masculine and dimorphic jaw with bad eyes.

Right side shows hooded hunter eyes and under developed and bad jaw.

"Both look bad and uncanny".

"They both have no harmony".

My response: This was intentional. This is to highlight which individual feature is more important when other features are bad. I created these to be as fair as I could by mirroring both images and only modifying one area.

That is all I have to write here. Share your thoughts. Provide your side and evidence / reasons. - Ergogenic

yeh I think jaw matters more, people dont immediately look into ur eyes when seeing you, they recognise ur frame and face as a whole before then looking at ur eyes. Eye area doesnt portray dimorphism like jaw does

 

[Ergogenic]

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I do not think you know how to use "water" correctly. Your post does not choose a side. Can you explain your thoughts in more detail, please? : )

 

[Ergogenic]

Those images genuinely terrify me

They can be creepy because they are uncanny and do not have harmony. I made sure to address this in this thread. What do you think about this debate? Are they equal, or is one more important than the other?

 

[Lemur]

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You can Guess who is better looking without looking at the eyes

couldnt u make the same argument for the eye area as well though?

 

[Ergogenic]

couldnt u make the same argument for the eye area as well though?

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Your response to them is also fair. This is why we have this whole debate. Could it be that eyes and jaw are equally important?

 

[Ergogenic]

is that o'pry's eyes

Yes. Those are Sean's eyes and eyebrows. I used them because Sean has a great eye area for the comparison.

Maybe eyes and jaw are equally important rather than one being more important than the other. What do you think?

 

[Ascensionsoon]

They can be creepy because they are uncanny and do not have harmony. I made sure to address this in this thread. What do you think about this debate? Are they equal, or is one more important than the other?

Judging by those morphs alone, I personally prefer the one with the morphed hunter eyes, he still looks fucking terrifying but the one with the "good" jaw is nightmarefuel, maybe if the morph adjusted the neck proportions I could be swayed to side with jaw, but as of now I feel like the eye area has a higher priority

 

[Lemur]

Your response to them is also fair. This is why we have this whole debate. Could it be that eyes and jaw are equally important?

this might be a random statement but I would say neither side matters that much, all that matters are the health indicators present in both areas that tip the scale. So ig yeh theyre equally important

 

[jailcel]

What do you think?

saint bo2cel looks terrifying in those morphs, but personally i prefer the second morph.

it might be how his features harmonize with one another, but it looks so weird

 

[Ergogenic]

Judging by those morphs alone, I personally prefer the one with the morphed hunter eyes, he still looks fucking terrifying but the one with the "good" jaw is nightmarefuel, maybe if the morph adjusted the neck proportions I could be swayed to side with jaw, but as of now I feel like the eye area has a higher priority

Thank you for sharing. Someone else did point out that I modified the neck too. My reasoning for this is that the neck is also dimporhic and near the jaw bones, so they could be related. Jaw and neck tend to correlate.

 

[Ergogenic]

saint bo2cel looks terrifying in those morphs, but personally i prefer the second morph.

it might be how his features harmonize with one another, but it looks so weird

Thank you for sharing. Maybe harmony is all that matters rather than individual features. We can also zoom in on individual features rather than showing the whole face. We try to avoid choosing based on whole face harmony in this debate.

 

[Ergogenic]

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[jailcel]

Thank you for sharing. Maybe harmony is all that matters rather than individual features. We can also zoom in on individual features rather than showing the whole face. We try to avoid choosing based on whole face harmony in this debate.

this is interesting, because a bad jaw can be mitigated by strong eyes in many scenarios.

The Crucial Role of the Eyes in Predicting Facial Attractiveness from Parts - PMC

Perceiving facial attractiveness based on partial information is a common experience in social interactions, where we often view only parts of faces. However, our understanding of predictions of the whole face from its parts remains limited. This ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

in this analysis study examining dimorphic facial features, eyebrow thickness and jawbone prominence came out as relatively more salient for overall partner attractiveness than eye size or zygos prominence, with small effect sizes, which shows how compelling eye features can play a massive role in raising the perceptions of appeal and potentially mitigating deficiencies in jaw structure through their superior signaling capacity in both short and long term mating contexts


from what i've seen, the jaw signals dimorphism; eyes signal health, emotion, and appeal i guess.
both of them matter but eyes can definitely mitigate what the jaw lacks, as seen in ur 2nd morph he doesnt look absolutely fucking disgusting, but you tend to focus more on the eyes than the jaw.

 

[Ergogenic]

this is interesting, because a bad jaw can be mitigated by strong eyes in many scenarios.

The Crucial Role of the Eyes in Predicting Facial Attractiveness from Parts - PMC

Perceiving facial attractiveness based on partial information is a common experience in social interactions, where we often view only parts of faces. However, our understanding of predictions of the whole face from its parts remains limited. This ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

in this analysis study examining dimorphic facial features, eyebrow thickness and jawbone prominence came out as relatively more salient for overall partner attractiveness than eye size or zygos prominence, with small effect sizes, which shows how compelling eye features can play a massive role in raising the perceptions of appeal and potentially mitigating deficiencies in jaw structure through their superior signaling capacity in both short and long term mating contexts


from what i've seen, the jaw signals dimorphism; eyes signal health, emotion, and appeal i guess.
both of them matter but eyes can definitely mitigate what the jaw lacks, as seen in ur 2nd morph he doesnt look absolutely fucking disgusting, but you tend to focus more on the eyes than the jaw.

I really appreciate your efforts to interact and answer this for us. Great response.

This makes me wonder: Could lowering your body fat percentage by losing fat mass to make the jaw more defined counter productively decrease your overall attractiveness if the eye area loses fat and hooding as a result?

 

[foidlessbum]

Let us look into both sides of the debate.



(1) EYES over jaw statement: Eyes are more important than jaw because they are the first feature that is noticed on a face. They are a window to the "soul" because that is what we sense from and all share in common. Eyes can show intentions.



(2) EYES over jaw statement: Eyes can reveal health. Bad eyes can destroy a face with other good features.



(1) JAW over eyes statement: Jaw is more important because it shows dimorphism between masculinity and femininity. A strong and defined jaw is what makes a hyper masculine man.



(2) JAW over eyes statement: Look at all pretty boys that women and girls love and crush on. All pretty boys have good jawlines and low fat on faces, but many pretty boys have upper eyelid exposure.



I could not think about any additional reasons or evidence for either side.



You will often read from a higher percentage of users that eyes are more important than jaw according to morphs. The problem with this claim is that the morphs are fundamentally flawed because they always show a decent jaw or a jaw that is not absolutely awful with only the eyes being either hooded hunter eyes or bad eyes. What if only one feature was good, and the other feature was terrible?



I tried to make this comparison as fair as I could by having only one good feature with the rest being bad.

View attachment 4663899View attachment 4663900

Left side shows hyper masculine and dimorphic jaw with bad eyes.

Right side shows hooded hunter eyes and under developed and bad jaw.

"Both look bad and uncanny".

"They both have no harmony".

My response: This was intentional. This is to highlight which individual feature is more important when other features are bad. I created these to be as fair as I could by mirroring both images and only modifying one area.

That is all I have to write here. Share your thoughts. Provide your side and evidence / reasons. - Ergogenic

Both are as important
If you have a negative canthal tilt, prey eyes and/or eyebags then its really difficult to look good
Havin a non-visible jaw is as worse as the eyes one, because it will give you a weird look at your side profile and also your front profile since the jaw is not wide enough.

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

Dimorphism is the first indicator of beauty

not true lol andrygonous people exist