The racial triangulation trap of Asian Americans

[Jason Voorhees]

f you want to chimp out about racial ape agenda or superiority BS then this thread is not for your . This is about deep systemic issues in how societies racially position groups.

So what is racial triangulation. Asian Americans and similar non-white groups who are high achievers aren't just outsiders they're positioned in a triangle with Whites at the top and other minorities like Blacks at the bottom. People valorize them relative to others while ostracizing them from full belonging.

Racial triangulation has two processes:

1. Relative valorization Asians get praised as the "model minority" hardworking, successful, law abiding. They made it through merit,why can't those damn niggers do that?" but it's conditional praise. It only lasts as long as it serves to downplay it for others.

2. Civic ostracism At the same time, Asians are framed as "immutably foreign." Perpetual foreigner stereotype no matter how many generations deep, you're asked Where are you *really* from? Japanese internment, COVID-era hate spikes all treat Asian Americans as proxies for foreign enemies. You're "honorary" when useful but never truly "one of us"

This isn't new. Since the 1800s, Chinese immigrants were exploited as labor (railroads, etc.) but barred from citizenship and weren't given higher position via exclusion acts. They were valorized as "industrious" compared to other groups yet ostracized as unassimilable "yellow peril"

Post-1965 immigration, the dynamic was less overt racism, more "cultural" framing.East Asians started out competing the white Americans and European immigrants in various sectors after the removal of exclusion acts so
Model minority myth rose, but the forever foreigner vibe stayed.

The triangle locks you in. Even high achievement doesn't buy full acceptance it just repositions you as a "threat" like. bamboo ceiling in leadership, or "taking spots" in elite schools.

The trap: If you succeed, it's proof the system works just blame the niggers and call them good for nothing If you fail or complain, you're not living up to the model. Either way, you will never "American" enough.

I see it being perpetrated online often that integration is merit based alone and what not but it's rarely that easy. It's shaped by how society racially positions you. For some the door opens wide. For others it's cracked just enough to let you in but never fully inside like the majority of Asians in America today.

 

[IronMike]

So basically asians implement the same copes as whites when life doesn't go their way?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@GynoGladiator @mcmentalonthemic @ReadBooksEveryday @PEENO08 @Former Shortcel

 

[Dhoriscol]

Where'd you get this from? I read 1999 at the bottom but im just curious considering the times we live in (im not american, just from the outside it seems like a very different place from even just 10 years ago)

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

Civic ostracism At the same time, Asians are framed as "immutably foreign." Perpetual foreigner stereotype no matter how many generations deep, you're asked Where are you *really* from? Japanese internment, COVID-era hate spikes all treat Asian Americans as proxies for foreign enemies. You're "honorary" when useful but never truly "one of us"

Even chinese people see chinese americans as not truely american [whilst simultaneously not seeing them as chinese]

 

[ReadBooksEveryday]

What do you propose the shift should be to integrate Asian Americans as truly just Americans

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Where'd you get this from? I read 1999 at the bottom but im just curious considering the times we live in (im not american, just from the outside it seems like a very different place from even just 10 years ago)

Claire Jean Kim's 1999 paper "The Racial Triangulation of Asian Americans." It's still used today because the core dynamics praise as "model" while being treated as forever foreign haven't gone away

 

[Jason Voorhees]

What do you propose the shift should be to integrate Asian Americans as truly just Americans

Easier said than done. Irish/ Italians "whitened" over ~100 years and that was because phenotype proximity to WASPs and no ongoing foreign threat narrative like China. Visibly non-white groups it is even harder with the geopolitics that keeps refreshing the foreigner trope.

 

[Former Shortcel]

The 1992 LA riots and also the events that lead up to said riots is a good example of racial triangulation

Whites at the top, whilst blacks were at the bottom living in the worst areas of LA. Then the asian americans immigrated to LA where they began setting up shop. Model minority.

However blacks who were seen as insiders and inferiors didnt like how asian americans were setting up shop in the black neighbourhoods, as they were the foreigners. Racial tensions rose and eventually lead to the shooting of latasha harlins by an old asian store owner, which then sparked the riots

Whilst the beating of rodney king by white cops also played a role, the main people who suffered in these riots were asian americans. Their own shops looted and burnt to the ground by mexicans blacks and whites, and they were beaten in the streets by blacks also

And after the riots had come to an end, the korean store owners were forced to rebuild their livelihoods with inadequate insurance and a lack of government funding. The devastation lead to many of these asian americans leaving LA entirely

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@PSLbbc @Swarthy Knight @Sprinkles

 

[CkldPsycho]

i dont think its limited to asians. if your group didnt play a part in the founding of the civilization and only came later, you will never fully belong no matter what. if you dont look european you will never be seen as a real european. same with africans (think white south africans). same with asians.

america is unique because at the founding there were whites and their black slaves, but whites are seen as the architects of america, so whites are seen as the real americans, blacks as the second real americans because they were present at the founding of the country, and everyone else came afterwards so they will never be fully american. natives didnt contribute to building the country, so no one thinks of them when you mention america

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@EthiopianMaxxer @Wuzzdio @Heretic

 

[brotato78]

Where do Mexicans fit in this

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The 1992 LA riots and also the events that lead up to said riots is a good example of racial triangulation

Whites at the top, whilst blacks were at the bottom living in the worst areas of LA. Then the asian americans immigrated to LA where they began setting up shop. Model minority.

However blacks who were seen as insiders and inferiors didnt like how asian americans were setting up shop in the black neighbourhoods, as they were the foreigners. Racial tensions rose and eventually lead to the shooting of latasha harlins by an old asian store owner, which then sparked the riots

Whilst the beating of rodney king by white cops also played a role, the main people who suffered in these riots were asian americans. Their own shops looted and burnt to the ground by mexicans blacks and whites, and they were beaten in the streets by blacks also

And after the riots had come to an end, the korean store owners were forced to rebuild their livelihoods with inadequate insurance and a lack of government funding. The devastation lead to many of these asian americans leaving LA entirely

European immigrants proved the it can expand to include later whites with phenotypd assimilation and power, for visibly non-white groups, is tighter belonging has never been purely about chronology imoit's about who holds enough cultural, political, and economic leverage to rewrite the story.,

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Where do Mexicans fit in this

@beancell

 

[BeanCelll]

Where do Mexicans fit in this

normally I would say nothing since their politically irrelevant, but they will become the major voting block in california very soon and they have a sizable portion in texas already, legit lucked out with having the 2 most pivotal states used to be mexican territory

New york too but not as much as the others, that thing is more even as of now.

 

[BeanCelll]

@beancell

Need this guy fucking banned so bad, hopefully he comes back and does something retarded

 

[1966Ford]

The 1992 LA riots and also the events that lead up to said riots is a good example of racial triangulation

Whites at the top, whilst blacks were at the bottom living in the worst areas of LA. Then the asian americans immigrated to LA where they began setting up shop. Model minority.

However blacks who were seen as insiders and inferiors didnt like how asian americans were setting up shop in the black neighbourhoods, as they were the foreigners. Racial tensions rose and eventually lead to the shooting of latasha harlins by an old asian store owner, which then sparked the riots

Whilst the beating of rodney king by white cops also played a role, the main people who suffered in these riots were asian americans. Their own shops looted and burnt to the ground by mexicans blacks and whites, and they were beaten in the streets by blacks also

And after the riots had come to an end, the korean store owners were forced to rebuild their livelihoods with inadequate insurance and a lack of government funding. The devastation lead to many of these asian americans leaving LA entirely

Was this the "Rooftop Koreans"?

 

[brotato78]

normally I would say nothing since their politically irrelevant, but they will become the major voting block in california very soon and they have a sizable portion in texas already, legit lucked out with having the 2 most pivotal states used to be mexican territory

New york too but not as much as the others, that thing is more even as of now.

i guess we dont operate on a 2d shape but instead a 3d pyramid like the aztecs built

 

[Former Shortcel]

Was this the "Rooftop Koreans"?

Yes, im not too familiar with how successful they were in defending their shops from rioters. But from the footage i saw they generally struggled

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@6ft4 @Scandicel @TechnoBoss

 

[Sprinkles]

f you want to chimp out about racial ape agenda or superiority BS then this thread is not for your . This is about deep systemic issues in how societies racially position groups.

So what is racial triangulation. Asian Americans and similar non-white groups who are high achievers aren't just outsiders they're positioned in a triangle with Whites at the top and other minorities like Blacks at the bottom. People valorize them relative to others while ostracizing them from full belonging.


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Racial triangulation has two processes:

1. Relative valorization Asians get praised as the "model minority" hardworking, successful, law abiding. They made it through merit,why can't those damn niggers do that?" but it's conditional praise. It only lasts as long as it serves to downplay it for others.

2. Civic ostracism At the same time, Asians are framed as "immutably foreign." Perpetual foreigner stereotype no matter how many generations deep, you're asked Where are you *really* from? Japanese internment, COVID-era hate spikes all treat Asian Americans as proxies for foreign enemies. You're "honorary" when useful but never truly "one of us"

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This isn't new. Since the 1800s, Chinese immigrants were exploited as labor (railroads, etc.) but barred from citizenship and weren't given higher position via exclusion acts. They were valorized as "industrious" compared to other groups yet ostracized as unassimilable "yellow peril"

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Post-1965 immigration, the dynamic was less overt racism, more "cultural" framing.East Asians started out competing the white Americans and European immigrants in various sectors after the removal of exclusion acts so
Model minority myth rose, but the forever foreigner vibe stayed.

The triangle locks you in. Even high achievement doesn't buy full acceptance it just repositions you as a "threat" like. bamboo ceiling in leadership, or "taking spots" in elite schools.

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The trap: If you succeed, it's proof the system works just blame the niggers and call them good for nothing and useless If you fail or complain, you're not living up to the model. Either way, you will never "American" enough.

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I see it being perpetrated online often that integration is merit based alone and what not but it's rarely that easy. It's shaped by how society racially positions you. For some the door opens wide. For others it's cracked just enough to let you in but never fully inside like the majority of Asians in America today.

life of an ABC

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@BR32 @wishIwasSalludon

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@afroheadluke @davidlaidisme67 @Bryce

 

[Jason Voorhees]

i dont think its limited to asians. if your group didnt play a part in the founding of the civilization and only came later, you will never fully belong no matter what. if you dont look european you will never be seen as a real european. same with africans (think white south africans). same with asians.

america is unique because at the founding there were whites and their black slaves, but whites are seen as the architects of america, so whites are seen as the real americans, blacks as the second real americans because they were present at the founding of the country, and everyone else came afterwards so they will never be fully american. natives didnt contribute to building the country, so no one thinks of them when you mention america

European immigrants proved the it can expand to include later whites with phenotypd assimilation and power, for visibly non-white groups, is tighter belonging has never been purely about chronology imoit's about who holds enough cultural, political, and economic leverage to rewrite the story.,

 

[CkldPsycho]

European immigrants proved the it can expand to include later whites with phenotypd assimilation and power, for visibly non-white groups, is tighter belonging has never been purely about chronology imoit's about who holds enough cultural, political, and economic leverage to rewrite the story.,

interesting thought, can you think of an example where a group rewrote history to belong more afterwards?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

interesting thought, can you think of an example where a group rewrote history to belong more afterwards?

Jewish Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans

 

[widdi]

You forgot to mention the triangle between the Asian’s unprojected nose and recessed upper maxilla

 

[CkldPsycho]

Jewish Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans

yeah good examples. i guess part of the reason is because religion became less important over time and more and more non europeans came to the us so the differences (both in looks and culture) between anglo saxons and italians/irish didnt seem so big anymore. and jews obv look white enough if you have blacks and browns of all shades

 

[PSLbbc]

High iq

 

[FutureExoticChad]

f you want to chimp out about racial ape agenda or superiority BS then this thread is not for your . This is about deep systemic issues in how societies racially position groups.

So what is racial triangulation. Asian Americans and similar non-white groups who are high achievers aren't just outsiders they're positioned in a triangle with Whites at the top and other minorities like Blacks at the bottom. People valorize them relative to others while ostracizing them from full belonging.


View attachment 4684298

Racial triangulation has two processes:

1. Relative valorization Asians get praised as the "model minority" hardworking, successful, law abiding. They made it through merit,why can't those damn niggers do that?" but it's conditional praise. It only lasts as long as it serves to downplay it for others.

2. Civic ostracism At the same time, Asians are framed as "immutably foreign." Perpetual foreigner stereotype no matter how many generations deep, you're asked Where are you *really* from? Japanese internment, COVID-era hate spikes all treat Asian Americans as proxies for foreign enemies. You're "honorary" when useful but never truly "one of us"

View attachment 4684302

This isn't new. Since the 1800s, Chinese immigrants were exploited as labor (railroads, etc.) but barred from citizenship and weren't given higher position via exclusion acts. They were valorized as "industrious" compared to other groups yet ostracized as unassimilable "yellow peril"

View attachment 4684306View attachment 4684307


Post-1965 immigration, the dynamic was less overt racism, more "cultural" framing.East Asians started out competing the white Americans and European immigrants in various sectors after the removal of exclusion acts so
Model minority myth rose, but the forever foreigner vibe stayed.

The triangle locks you in. Even high achievement doesn't buy full acceptance it just repositions you as a "threat" like. bamboo ceiling in leadership, or "taking spots" in elite schools.

View attachment 4684320

The trap: If you succeed, it's proof the system works just blame the niggers and call them good for nothing If you fail or complain, you're not living up to the model. Either way, you will never "American" enough.

View attachment 4684325

I see it being perpetrated online often that integration is merit based alone and what not but it's rarely that easy. It's shaped by how society racially positions you. For some the door opens wide. For others it's cracked just enough to let you in but never fully inside like the majority of Asians in America today.

True to an extent but I think its natural and innate that this is the case

I dont think its due to artificial means or anything.

Am sure if Asians looked like Italians than they'd be considered integrated and seen as true Americans, but they aren't so their always gonna be seen as an "outsider" to an extent by default.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@VHD

 

[ProBono]

Good thread, although this seems to be case specific to the West over the last century or so. Are there other examples of this dynamic occurring with completely different races? Genuinely curious.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Race is too big a topic here, if you’re non white you’ll basically never be eeen as fully American ever

Aside from African Americans maybe

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Good thread, although this seems to be case specific to the West over the last century or so. Are there other examples of this dynamic occurring with completely different races? Genuinely curious.

Another example i can think of is apartheids in South Africa. Coloureds/Indians were considered to be "better" and "more useful" than Blacks they had some voting rights, had white collar jobs,could own buisness in designated areas and were allowed inside white establishments but were always treated as second class citizens by Whites. @alurmo @SouthAfricancel

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Bumo

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@MiserableMan

 

[GonorrhoeaGobbler]

What do you propose the shift should be to integrate Asian Americans as truly just Americans

Why would you want that
If gooks won't even fight for it then why should we