The raw diet is so stupid, It’s completely false and based on 0 evidence

[Lord Shadow]

yes, we did have to adapt to it. like i said, humans started as scavengers. no one knows why we came down from the trees (if u believe in that) and starting eating meat. however, we absolutely do have "meat-adapted" guts. calling the darwinian principles a buzzword does make sense, sure ill give u that. evolution is a fact, but sure its not confirmed we evolved from monkeys. when u wake up if its not a hastle, i would like to see where u got the information from regarding the "millions of years of omnivoirous eating", etc. also, glucose is not our prefered fuel source, but i dont blame you for misunderstanding. the bodies uses glucose first because excess glucose is extremely toxic. the body creates all glucose required via gluconeogenesis. and also, of course glucose oxidiation is going to occur a lot when you are consuming the fucking thing, so i get how it seems its our prefered source.i also get that u think i lack the knowledge behind my arguments, but im just trying to spare this thread. i never claimed the randle cycle was my reasoning behind sugar being toxic. i was just describing its relationship with the body's cells.

Alright, fair enough I appreciate you clarifying a few things and I get that you’re not just trying to argue for the sake of it. before I go to bed I'll explain a bit further so the “millions of years of omnivorous eating” comes from both fossil and archaeological records. Early australopithecus species (3 - 4 million years ago) had tooth wear patterns and isotope signatures consistent with mixed diets plants and some meat. Even before fire we were eating roots, tubers, fruits, insects etc later hominins like Homoerectus were for sure eating more meat but also using tools to process plants, starches etc so the omnivory isn’t a new adaptation it’s deeply embedded in our evolution. here's a source, and this. Also while we can digest meat, our gut still resembles that of omnivores more than carnivores we have things like long intestines, a relatively acidic stomach (true, yes) and a microbiome capable of fermenting plant fibers. We’re not lions but we’re not cows either adaptability is our thing. And whilst It’s true the body can make glucose when needed, that doesn’t mean it's not the preferred fuel. Red blood cells require glucose, and the brain runs most efficiently on it unless in prolonged ketosis, so If glucose were toxic just because it’s used first then oxygen must be deadly too by that logic lol the body prioritizes it because it’s efficient not because it’s some emergency detox move. and on the randle cycle I see what you mean and I appreciate the clarification there too It’s a legit mechanism but yeah it’s often misused in low carb circles to villainize carbs. It's more about how the body juggles fuel sources depending on what's available, not proof that one fuel is "bad". Anyway, not trying to dunk on you or anything you clearly care about this stuff and have thought about it just worth making sure the science behind the argument holds up. Respect for keeping it going

i admit i didnt provide adequate explanations behind my attacks, i was just kind of dismissing them as being wrong without providing the why. i guess bart kay has kind of rubbed off on me, he does that a lot. anyway, thanks for the chat and i appreciate hearing ur opposing views without personal attacks (which i started lmao...). u seem like a good dude tbh.

All good bro honestly I respect you owning up to it and I get it we’ve all had moments where we go a little too hard for our side ( iknow I do a lot) lol especially when we’re passionate about something (and yeah, Bart Kay definitely brings the fire lol). I appreciate the back and forth though and despite the wild start it was a good convo. You're clearly thinking deeply about all this which is way better than just blindly following whatever the mainstream says. Cheers, bro no hard feelings have a good rest of ur day!

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Alright, fair enough I appreciate you clarifying a few things and I get that you’re not just trying to argue for the sake of it. before I go to bed I'll explain a bit further so the “millions of years of omnivorous eating” comes from both fossil and archaeological records. Early australopithecus species (3 - 4 million years ago) had tooth wear patterns and isotope signatures consistent with mixed diets plants and some meat. Even before fire we were eating roots, tubers, fruits, insects etc later hominins like Homoerectus were for sure eating more meat but also using tools to process plants, starches etc so the omnivory isn’t a new adaptation it’s deeply embedded in our evolution. here's a source, and this. Also while we can digest meat, our gut still resembles that of omnivores more than carnivores we have things like long intestines, a relatively acidic stomach (true, yes) and a microbiome capable of fermenting plant fibers. We’re not lions but we’re not cows either adaptability is our thing. And whilst It’s true the body can make glucose when needed, that doesn’t mean it's not the preferred fuel. Red blood cells require glucose, and the brain runs most efficiently on it unless in prolonged ketosis, so If glucose were toxic just because it’s used first then oxygen must be deadly too by that logic lol the body prioritizes it because it’s efficient not because it’s some emergency detox move. and on the randle cycle I see what you mean and I appreciate the clarification there too It’s a legit mechanism but yeah it’s often misused in low carb circles to villainize carbs. It's more about how the body juggles fuel sources depending on what's available, not proof that one fuel is "bad". Anyway, not trying to dunk on you or anything you clearly care about this stuff and have thought about it just worth making sure the science behind the argument holds up. Respect for keeping it going

All good bro honestly I respect you owning up to it and I get it we’ve all had moments where we go a little too hard for our side ( iknow I do a lot) lol especially when we’re passionate about something (and yeah, Bart Kay definitely brings the fire lol). I appreciate the back and forth though and despite the wild start it was a good convo. You're clearly thinking deeply about all this which is way better than just blindly following whatever the mainstream says. Cheers, bro no hard feelings have a good rest of ur day!

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interesting study, ive never heard of anything outside of the carnivorous isotopes so this was a bit of a rude awakening for me. we can ferment plant fibers to some degree, but it ferments into harmful byproducts. fiber is also a contraindicated for a few other reasons. however, allow me to make myself clear here: this is all just my opinion. my opinions have been created from my own personal research and nothing else, so yeah it was a bit of a shock to here contradicting studies. but a good shock, kind of broke me out of a bubble i guess. i can be arragont at times, every one can. but i have self awareness and i can and do admit when i am wrong/when i am not educated ENOUGH. youve made some solid points that have grounds in science, and i can owe you the utmost respect for that. one last note about the glucose: yes, we need it for brain function etc., which is kind of what i said: the body creates all the glucose needed at any given time at any given rate, and no more. gluconeogenesis is demand driven. not strictly, there are exceptions. but also: i dont advocate the average person go full carnivore. for people who take pride in athletics and things of the sort, carbs have shown to be of benefit and are probably better for performance shortterm. i dont think they are best or what is most indicated, but that is just my opinion. thanks for the note at the end brah my days almost over, but its been good

 

[Lord Shadow]

interesting study, ive never heard of anything outside of the carnivorous isotopes so this was a bit of a rude awakening for me. we can ferment plant fibers to some degree, but it ferments into harmful byproducts. fiber is also a contraindicated for a few other reasons. however, allow me to make myself clear here: this is all just my opinion. my opinions have been created from my own personal research and nothing else, so yeah it was a bit of a shock to here contradicting studies. but a good shock, kind of broke me out of a bubble i guess. i can be arragont at times, every one can. but i have self awareness and i can and do admit when i am wrong/when i am not educated ENOUGH. youve made some solid points that have grounds in science, and i can owe you the utmost respect for that. one last note about the glucose: yes, we need it for brain function etc., which is kind of what i said: the body creates all the glucose needed at any given time at any given rate, and no more. gluconeogenesis is demand driven. not strictly, there are exceptions. but also: i dont advocate the average person go full carnivore. for people who take pride in athletics and things of the sort, carbs have shown to be of benefit and are probably better for performance shortterm. i dont think they are best or what is most indicated, but that is just my opinion. thanks for the note at the end brah my days almost over, but its been good

Yeah that was really solid of you to say I’ve got a lot of respect for how you handled this (espcially for how young you are). We all get wrapped up in our own research bubbles (me included), so it’s actually refreshing to have a convo that doesn’t just devolve into insults or ego flexing. You clearly think deeply about what you believe and aren’t afraid to challenge your own views which is way more impressive than just being "right". Totally agree on gluconeogenesis too it’s demand driven and efficient also yeah, context matters. There’s no one size fits all diet and I think we both get that performance, genetics, and goals all play a role. Appreciate the convo and your honesty hope the rest of your day goes smooth nightt

 

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Yeah that was really solid of you to say I’ve got a lot of respect for how you handled this (espcially for how young you are). We all get wrapped up in our own research bubbles (me included), so it’s actually refreshing to have a convo that doesn’t just devolve into insults or ego flexing. You clearly think deeply about what you believe and aren’t afraid to challenge your own views which is way more impressive than just being "right". Totally agree on gluconeogenesis too it’s demand driven and efficient also yeah, context matters. There’s no one size fits all diet and I think we both get that performance, genetics, and goals all play a role. Appreciate the convo and your honesty hope the rest of your day goes smooth nightt

for sure, diet is not something you just copy and paste (something i apparently need to learn). appreciate the words man, hope all goes well