The Root of Being Unable to Form Connections

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So I was thinking about the process that makes young men isolated and unable to form any new connections- for jobs, relationships, and other opportunities. Yes, part of it is that every relationship is transactional in nature, and you won't get far if you don't have a way to advertise that you have some value to that other person.

There's something deeper though when you don't even have the tools to initiate and start a normal conversation. It's boring and lame to talk about so much basic shit, sure, but part of that rationalization is just cope when you know deep down that people who do this know that all the bullshit is just a ritual to form these useful connections. Even with women it's basically a bunch of bullshit you have to proceed through while she evaluates the possible exchange of value. The tools to go through the motions seemlessly like this and get down to business seem to come from practice, and this practice comes from a habit of pro social behavior that starts early and stays strong. The longer you stay on this right track the easier it is to get down to business and not be left guessing if it's just you and buying into the red pill shit etc.

Especially in early development, habits form out of feedback. First from your family, if you're lucky enough for that to be positive it's a strong start. Next is from other kids from the neighborhood, which is part genetics(even kids recognize ugly/abnormal) and part environment, which your parents had some influence over. As you get older things get more competitive and violent as sex comes into the picture and already a lack of connections will make it harder to be competitive. Honestly if you slip at this point, and you don't have much earlier reinforcement to be pro-social to fall back on, it's most likely just gonna keep going downhill and you shut down more and more around other people.

I know this is basically a water post but I felt like I had to write down this thought when it occurred. Without positive feedback for being pro social growing up you eventually just shut down and fall behind irretrievably in your ability to form connections. And then you are 30 sounding like a blithering idiot whenever you want to try having an actual conversation instead of something about work or a transaction at the store. And nobody cares they see you as a lost cause honestly.
 
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women only care about looks
 
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women only care about looks
Women care a great deal about looks, probably more than we do. However there are more factors in maximizing opportunities to ascend and most of them are most easily reached through connections.
 
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dnrd, summarize it for me.
 
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dnrd, summarize it for me.
The ability to form connections is essential to maximizing opportunities to ascend, such as career maxxing, obviously social circle maxxing, and getting help in all sorts of areas like mental health that just makes everything easier. It's not nearly as significant and just being good looking but then again it makes surgurymaxxing young possible too.

To initiate conversations and form connections through life it has to be a habit that comes naturally, and that has to start young, requiring positive feedback to be reinforced.
 
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The ability to form connections is essential to maximizing opportunities to ascend, such as career maxxing, obviously social circle maxxing, and getting help in all sorts of areas like mental health that just makes everything easier. It's not nearly as significant and just being good looking but then again it makes surgurymaxxing young possible too.

To initiate conversations and form connections through life it has to be a habit that comes naturally, and that has to start young, requiring positive feedback to be reinforced.
its either through family, or genetics like NT. anyway you dont have much control lol
 
 
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So I was thinking about the process that makes young men isolated and unable to form any new connections- for jobs, relationships, and other opportunities. Yes, part of it is that every relationship is transactional in nature, and you won't get far if you don't have a way to advertise that you have some value to that other person.

There's something deeper though when you don't even have the tools to initiate and start a normal conversation. It's boring and lame to talk about so much basic shit, sure, but part of that rationalization is just cope when you know deep down that people who do this know that all the bullshit is just a ritual to form these useful connections. Even with women it's basically a bunch of bullshit you have to proceed through while she evaluates the possible exchange of value. The tools to go through the motions seemlessly like this and get down to business seem to come from practice, and this practice comes from a habit of pro social behavior that starts early and stays strong. The longer you stay on this right track the easier it is to get down to business and not be left guessing if it's just you and buying into the red pill shit etc.

Especially in early development, habits form out of feedback. First from your family, if you're lucky enough for that to be positive it's a strong start. Next is from other kids from the neighborhood, which is part genetics(even kids recognize ugly/abnormal) and part environment, which your parents had some influence over. As you get older things get more competitive and violent as sex comes into the picture and already a lack of connections will make it harder to be competitive. Honestly if you slip at this point, and you don't have much earlier reinforcement to be pro-social to fall back on, it's most likely just gonna keep going downhill and you shut down more and more around other people.

I know this is basically a water post but I felt like I had to write down this thought when it occurred. Without positive feedback for being pro social growing up you eventually just shut down and fall behind irretrievably in your ability to form connections. And then you are 30 sounding like a blithering idiot whenever you want to try having an actual conversation instead of something about work or a transaction at the store. And nobody cares they see you as a lost cause honestly.
the reason is monogamy is dead and we need to compete with eachother
 
very good thread. i've noticed that people who have good conversation skills typically acquire it at a younger age

meanwhile socially isolated genetic trash always feel like they're larping or faking it when talking to anyone, be it normies or women
 
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basically, if you ended up here it's kinda over no matter what.
 
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solution?


Those of us who missed out on all those important years of development can never catch up. Just have to learn the basics we can an live as birds with broken wings mang.
 
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Those of us who missed out on all those important years of development can never catch up. Just have to learn the basics we can an live as birds with broken wings mang.

we can catch up tho.
 
we can catch up tho.
I have tried for a long time. It's not so much that WE are not capable of it but that the circumstances we had on the playgrounds and classrooms and neighborhoods aren't coming back everyone is experienced around us and just focused on getting theirs in life. Maybe getting a lot of money would help since people would gravitate around us but even that would be too fake.
 
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I have tried for a long time. It's not so much that WE are not capable of it but that the circumstances we had on the playgrounds and classrooms and neighborhoods aren't coming back everyone is experienced around us and just focused on getting theirs in life. Maybe getting a lot of money would help since people would gravitate around us but even that would be too fake.
how old are you ?
 


Those of us who missed out on all those important years of development can never catch up. Just have to learn the basics we can an live as birds with broken wings mang.

u can with drugs and practice
 
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What drugs?
lyrica or nardil, amphetamines, fluvoxamine, cerebrolysin, sodium valproate

the combination of which would increase neuroplasticity, lower inhibition, decrease anxiety, and upregulate dopamine
the perfect combo for social interactions
combine that with actually practicing social interactions and eventually it'll become the norm

unless ur autistic
 
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Ypure just socially retarded bro, keep socializing and you'll get better at it
Worked for me
 
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alcohol overdose yourself man, also, fake it till you make it
 
I used to be so NT. and everyone's best friend. Good at sports lol. Where did it go wrong. Lmaooo
 
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True. A lot of your personality is based on your early years. I will make sure my son thinks he is the goat.
 
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I have tried for a long time. It's not so much that WE are not capable of it but that the circumstances we had on the playgrounds and classrooms and neighborhoods aren't coming back everyone is experienced around us and just focused on getting theirs in life. Maybe getting a lot of money would help since people would gravitate around us but even that would be too fake.
Yes I thought about that too. Maybe a solution would be to looksmaxx and later start a relationship with a LTB just to practice and get experience.
 
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I used to be so NT. and everyone's best friend. Good at sports lol. Where did it go wrong. Lmaooo
When everybody started going through puberty is when it changed for me, it really does change everything
 
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So I was thinking about the process that makes young men isolated and unable to form any new connections- for jobs, relationships, and other opportunities. Yes, part of it is that every relationship is transactional in nature, and you won't get far if you don't have a way to advertise that you have some value to that other person.

There's something deeper though when you don't even have the tools to initiate and start a normal conversation. It's boring and lame to talk about so much basic shit, sure, but part of that rationalization is just cope when you know deep down that people who do this know that all the bullshit is just a ritual to form these useful connections. Even with women it's basically a bunch of bullshit you have to proceed through while she evaluates the possible exchange of value. The tools to go through the motions seemlessly like this and get down to business seem to come from practice, and this practice comes from a habit of pro social behavior that starts early and stays strong. The longer you stay on this right track the easier it is to get down to business and not be left guessing if it's just you and buying into the red pill shit etc.

Especially in early development, habits form out of feedback. First from your family, if you're lucky enough for that to be positive it's a strong start. Next is from other kids from the neighborhood, which is part genetics(even kids recognize ugly/abnormal) and part environment, which your parents had some influence over. As you get older things get more competitive and violent as sex comes into the picture and already a lack of connections will make it harder to be competitive. Honestly if you slip at this point, and you don't have much earlier reinforcement to be pro-social to fall back on, it's most likely just gonna keep going downhill and you shut down more and more around other people.

I know this is basically a water post but I felt like I had to write down this thought when it occurred. Without positive feedback for being pro social growing up you eventually just shut down and fall behind irretrievably in your ability to form connections. And then you are 30 sounding like a blithering idiot whenever you want to try having an actual conversation instead of something about work or a transaction at the store. And nobody cares they see you as a lost cause honestly.
being ugly=not form connections water thread
 
dnr

nevER began for my autism
 
dnr

nevER began for my autism
There are studies. Parents of autistic babies statistically interact with and provide for them less. Most people here are not left out just for pure autism though.
 
There are studies. Parents of autistic babies statistically interact with and provide for them less. Most people here are not left out just for pure autism though.
I am a manlet, have Asperger, ADD and am unattractive. From a biological and societal view i have no value
 
I am a manlet, have Asperger, ADD and am unattractive. From a biological and societal view i have no value
Ok you're pretty fucked. I have 3 out of those 4 things myself and I'm fucked. Find a way to make money and escortmax I say.
 
So I was thinking about the process that makes young men isolated and unable to form any new connections- for jobs, relationships, and other opportunities.
wanna know? bar lounges were just proto-tiktoks. Things never just stop existing, they change form
 
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lyrica or nardil, amphetamines, fluvoxamine, cerebrolysin, sodium valproate

the combination of which would increase neuroplasticity, lower inhibition
But how often to use sodium valproate for this and how much to not get nasty side effects and I heard it is also anti androgenic, is 150mg enough once or a few times a week for fear extinction?+lyrica 600mg and while on both practice exposing a lot to fears?Are these 2 enough to lower inhibitions?
 
I'm autistic and I only ever got complaints from nerds on a discord. I went on a date last year with a girl who was extremely attracted to me and let me tell you, she did not say one thing about me being weird or creepy, and yet, many times I tried making friends with a bunch of NT nerds, they think I'm obnoxious, narcissistic or just an asshole.

Women are very forgiving in terms of social skills, they're just not very forgiving if you're very insecure or if you're not putting effort into your appearance.
 
But how often to use sodium valproate for this and how much to not get nasty side effects and I heard it is also anti androgenic, is 150mg enough once or a few times a week for fear extinction?+lyrica 600mg and while on both practice exposing a lot to fears?Are these 2 enough to lower inhibitions?
no one is the same.
experiment
 
no one is the same.
experiment
I will experiment, but I don't know how to start and I heard from some people that valproic acid is felt after a few days, so it needs build up in system?I wanted to use valproic acid as an alternative to varinostat, so once a week, any suggestions?
 

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