The theory of infraorbital implant sagging, is it just a theory ? (in depth details on why we age)

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firstly, i want to show a clear reason why infras is worthy, and what better way then to show a actor who has some sort of eye socket implant on only one side.

Norman reedus was in car accident so the right eye on the pic has titanium around it:

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And the right side obv aged well becuase of reasons i show and write about in the pic below:

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Lets now discuss the midface sagging people talk about after infra orbital implant:
Firstly i want to say that i am not sure if the midface sag is real, I think its more the design and the base that determines it mostly.

But yea the guy below had a infra orbital implants or cheek implants, and his nasalfolds seem to be more prounced(we pretend its sagging from the implants, only example i could find, could be swelling, could be body fat etc)


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Lets theorize why this could happen:


To under stand this we need to understand the face:

the nasal folds are fat in the cheeks, and when we smile those fat pads rises. But it isnt really that easy


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Even if the fat pads are the layer in highest up closest to the skin, the whole face is kept tight when we are young by underlying ligaments attached to the bone as seen in the pic below, the white is not bone but ligaments. Those ligaments no matter the bone come downwards and sag with age.

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How could those be influenced via surgery ? hmm lets do some thinking and i will show the photos below, When you do leforte or a places infra orbital implants, you open up and goes below even the ligaments because you need to place the implant on the bone or you need to cut the upper jaw of in a leforte 1:

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so in theory the ligament could get strectched, not healing properly, Healing in a lower position, the implant pushin it down, whatever the theory. The photo explains what happens and show it( in a over dramatic way but just for visual and clear purposes) The first pic is before, the middle pic is during surgery lol, and the right is after with implant inside:

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And this is why people recommend a subperiosteal face lift or a type of deepplane face lift to resoolve this, where you either go from the temples and maybe the eyelids lifting muscles, fat and ligaments as shown in the pics below:

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unfortunatley, i have never seen result from someone getting face lift and implants, so i cant really talk about, the surgeon everyone link too when talking about this stuff like @chrishell and others is the guy below:

but for some reason he dont have one result of a male who have done any type of upper facelift in a age below 55+. And from the result i have seen from deepplane facelift on women they look pretty fake afterwards and uncanny esp in motion, so i dont know if this method is even valid, i am happily to be proven wrong, but when there is no result online on it i dont know how good it can be.


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skimmed. decent thread
 
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skimmed. decent thread
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also its brutal if you get deepplane facelift but if its still your muscles that creates the nasal folds, then you get this weird identations and shit that looks absolutley horrid
 
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nice thread
 
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its a bit related to this thread from @thecel
 
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The image you showed didn't really do it justice since the 3/4 wasnt exactly the same

He had nasiolabial folds all along. The 2nd image isn't a true side profile but just by using the front profile for comparison I highly doubt his nasiolabial folds changed at all

I personally don't think it exists but good theory
 
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The image you showed didn't really do it justice since the 3/4 wasnt exactly the same

He had nasiolabial folds all along. The 2nd image isn't a true side profile but just by using the front profile for comparison I highly doubt his nasiolabial folds changed at all

I personally don't think it exists but good theory
Yea i mean i couldnt find any results on it, same as i couldnt find one good result on a midfacelift on a male under 45
 
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All the soft tissues you dissect will never re-attach, they will just float over the encapsulated implant, so I guess you just have that much less holding your face to your skull. And I guess if the shortest path for the ligaments is to go around the bottom of the implant than over it, they will do that.
 
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All the soft tissues you dissect will never re-attach, they will just float over the encapsulated implant, so I guess you just have that much less holding your face to your skull. And I guess if the shortest path for the ligaments is to go around the bottom of the implant than over it, they will do that.
But the standard design implant wont have any ligament on it except the tear through one. And that is not corrected via midface lift eeither way to a big degree
 
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good shit as always bhai :feelshah:
 
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I found this account which kinda does a malar lift but I’m not sure if this is just a full facelift lol. Plus the fact he’s obviously done mandibular reshaping.


Checkout this result from him lol:
 
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I found this account which kinda does a malar lift but I’m not sure if this is just a full facelift lol. Plus the fact he’s obviously done mandibular reshaping.


Checkout this result from him lol:

dude i saw this and i shared it with @yussimania too but i dont know if its real? i feel like chinese love their photoshop
 
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firstly, i want to show a clear reason why infras is worthy, and what better way then to show a actor who has some sort of eye socket implant on only one side.

Norman reedus was in car accident so the right eye on the pic has titanium around it:

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And the right side obv aged well becuase of reasons i show and write about in the pic below:

View attachment 4770200



Lets now discuss the midface sagging people talk about after infra orbital implant:
Firstly i want to say that i am not sure if the midface sag is real, I think its more the design and the base that determines it mostly.

But yea the guy below had a infra orbital implants or cheek implants, and his nasalfolds seem to be more prounced(we pretend its sagging from the implants, only example i could find, could be swelling, could be body fat etc)


View attachment 4770235View attachment 4770236



Lets theorize why this could happen:


To under stand this we need to understand the face:

the nasal folds are fat in the cheeks, and when we smile those fat pads rises. But it isnt really that easy


View attachment 4770277


Even if the fat pads are the layer in highest up closest to the skin, the whole face is kept tight when we are young by underlying ligaments attached to the bone as seen in the pic below, the white is not bone but ligaments. Those ligaments no matter the bone come downwards and sag with age.

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How could those be influenced via surgery ? hmm lets do some thinking and i will show the photos below, When you do leforte or a places infra orbital implants, you open up and goes below even the ligaments because you need to place the implant on the bone or you need to cut the upper jaw of in a leforte 1:

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so in theory the ligament could get strectched, not healing properly, Healing in a lower position, the implant pushin it down, whatever the theory. The photo explains what happens and show it( in a over dramatic way but just for visual and clear purposes) The first pic is before, the middle pic is during surgery lol, and the right is after with implant inside:

View attachment 4770364


And this is why people recommend a subperiosteal face lift or a type of deepplane face lift to resoolve this, where you either go from the temples and maybe the eyelids lifting muscles, fat and ligaments as shown in the pics below:

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unfortunatley, i have never seen result from someone getting face lift and implants, so i cant really talk about, the surgeon everyone link too when talking about this stuff like @chrishell and others is the guy below:

but for some reason he dont have one result of a male who have done any type of upper facelift in a age below 55+. And from the result i have seen from deepplane facelift on women they look pretty fake afterwards and uncanny esp in motion, so i dont know if this method is even valid, i am happily to be proven wrong, but when there is no result online on it i dont know how good it can be.


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lurking i got le forte 1 are you saying i am cooked
also do you know the solution to nasolabial folds or the tendons streching with age?
 
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dude i saw this and i shared it with @yussimania too but i dont know if its real? i feel like chinese love their photoshop
His fwhr decreased alot from the facelift it's like they shaved his skull down
 
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@lurking truecel
Did you experience any sagging after the procedure?


Also, do infraorbital implants alone help reduce the appearance of dark circles, or do they mainly push the skin outward—meaning fat grafting would still be needed to properly soften the area and reduce the dark/ hollow look?
 
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Nasolabial folds can be more pronounced if you get infraorbital implants, and you have a recessed maxilla.

You're gonna get more projection in the upper face, while the maxilla stays in place, hence nasolabial folds will be more pronounced.
 
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Did you experience any sagging after the procedure?


Also, do infraorbital implants alone help reduce the appearance of dark circles, or do they mainly push the skin outward—meaning fat grafting would still be needed to properly soften the area and reduce the dark/ hollow look?
Yes you would need to combine, maybe
 
firstly, i want to show a clear reason why infras is worthy, and what better way then to show a actor who has some sort of eye socket implant on only one side.

Norman reedus was in car accident so the right eye on the pic has titanium around it:

View attachment 4770186

View attachment 4770184

And the right side obv aged well becuase of reasons i show and write about in the pic below:

View attachment 4770200



Lets now discuss the midface sagging people talk about after infra orbital implant:
Firstly i want to say that i am not sure if the midface sag is real, I think its more the design and the base that determines it mostly.

But yea the guy below had a infra orbital implants or cheek implants, and his nasalfolds seem to be more prounced(we pretend its sagging from the implants, only example i could find, could be swelling, could be body fat etc)


View attachment 4770235View attachment 4770236



Lets theorize why this could happen:


To under stand this we need to understand the face:

the nasal folds are fat in the cheeks, and when we smile those fat pads rises. But it isnt really that easy


View attachment 4770277


Even if the fat pads are the layer in highest up closest to the skin, the whole face is kept tight when we are young by underlying ligaments attached to the bone as seen in the pic below, the white is not bone but ligaments. Those ligaments no matter the bone come downwards and sag with age.

View attachment 4770280
View attachment 4770312

How could those be influenced via surgery ? hmm lets do some thinking and i will show the photos below, When you do leforte or a places infra orbital implants, you open up and goes below even the ligaments because you need to place the implant on the bone or you need to cut the upper jaw of in a leforte 1:

View attachment 4770318
View attachment 4770319


so in theory the ligament could get strectched, not healing properly, Healing in a lower position, the implant pushin it down, whatever the theory. The photo explains what happens and show it( in a over dramatic way but just for visual and clear purposes) The first pic is before, the middle pic is during surgery lol, and the right is after with implant inside:

View attachment 4770364


And this is why people recommend a subperiosteal face lift or a type of deepplane face lift to resoolve this, where you either go from the temples and maybe the eyelids lifting muscles, fat and ligaments as shown in the pics below:

View attachment 4770373
View attachment 4770377View attachment 4770381




unfortunatley, i have never seen result from someone getting face lift and implants, so i cant really talk about, the surgeon everyone link too when talking about this stuff like @chrishell and others is the guy below:

but for some reason he dont have one result of a male who have done any type of upper facelift in a age below 55+. And from the result i have seen from deepplane facelift on women they look pretty fake afterwards and uncanny esp in motion, so i dont know if this method is even valid, i am happily to be proven wrong, but when there is no result online on it i dont know how good it can be.


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Remember what snicket used to say?, know when and where to stop, that's the magic for ascending.
 
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His fwhr decreased alot from the facelift it's like they shaved his skull down
Because it stretched the muscle, fat, ligaments and saggy skin, thus making his fwhr much lower, those are on the same level as bones.
 
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I mean, most users even if they have NOV 85% of the times need fat grafts + LLR, there's 2 types on fat grafts, one for volume and the other for skin quality.

Implants are to the extreme level, one example is thr black guy with big orbitals who went to giant.
 
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lurking i got le forte 1 are you saying i am cooked
also do you know the solution to nasolabial folds or the tendons streching with age?
Face lift as they get worse, otherwise its just to eat healthy i guess to keep it.
 


I found this account which kinda does a malar lift but I’m not sure if this is just a full facelift lol. Plus the fact he’s obviously done mandibular reshaping.


Checkout this result from him lol:

Koreans allways photoshop there after and uses filter and stuff. I wouldnt trust it even remotley aa all of there result are so far away from the western results.
 
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Koreans allways photoshop there after and uses filter and stuff. I wouldnt trust it even remotley aa all of there result are so far away from the western results.
Agree, shit is always frauded.
 
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interesting but i think its dependent on the case, good read.
 
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