The Ubermensch is being born

[Deleted member 51358]

I forgot who it was but someone said that the greatest challenge of todays young men will be to conquer loneliness. I have to say I agree, things like loneliness, struggling with women, not being able to make friends which was once relegated to incels or outcasts is becoming more and more of a problem within the young male populace in general.

This has caused more and more men to become doomers and fall into despair as now they feel life has no meaning because they can't get validation from normies and women. They can't cope with the fact that meaning has been transferred into their own hands. The weak and pathetic men who rely on external validation(especially female validation) to determine right and wrong, what they should do, how they feel etc will die off.

They will die both spiritually and physically, their spiritual death will prevent them from going out into the world and spreading their ideas and physically they will die from roping, doing something stupid out of despair or just of a broken heart. In the end the only thing left will be a new race/generation of men of the west who's actions are capable of being self motivated and values self created. We will see less and less NPCs and more and more humans.

A new, more heroic culture in the west will be born from these men. Accelerationism may unironically mog.

@imontheloose @Wicket @SlayerJonas

 

[Deleted member 51358]

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[lnceIs]

My greatest challenge is inserting my penis into a womanz vagina

 

[imontheloose]

DOXXING OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[killcry]

The ubermenschen has already sacrificed his ego and died

 

[Deleted member 51358]

DOXXING OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Seeing the new generation of men which will rise from this is unironically very exciting

 

[imontheloose]

Seeing the new generation of men which will rise from this is unironically very exciting

what r u reading atm

 

[Deleted member 51358]

what r u reading atm

the nichomachean ethics, st augustines confessions and the scapegoat by rene girard.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

what r u reading atm

We are literally witnessing the death of NPCs for the first time in history

We may soon live in a world populated by humans. We are so back

 

[imontheloose]

the nichomachean ethics, st augustines confessions and the scapegoat by rene girard.

ofc ur one of them multiple books at once guys. typical behaviour of solomon. i can only read multiple books at once if they vary in genre, or if its regarding my degree bc i have no choice

 

[imontheloose]

We are literally witnessing the death of NPCs for the first time in history

We may soon live in a world populated by humans. We are so back

the ubermenschen were just bare bones sentient humans all along

 

[Deleted member 51358]

ofc ur one of them multiple books at once guys.

is this bad?

I like reading multiple books because you can connect the differing ideas and come up with a new result from all of them

Its insanely interesting how so many things in life follow what Hegel described as

1.Thesis
2.Anti Thesis
3.Synthesis

 

[imontheloose]

is this bad?

I like reading multiple books because you can connect the differing ideas and come up with a new result from all of them

Its insanely interesting how so many things in life follow what Hegel described as

1.Thesis
2.Anti Thesis
3.Synthesis

no im just pulling ur leg. i wish i could, but i really dislike the concept of reading multiple books at once. the benefit is i finish each individual book quicker, but i, as u say, dont get the luxury of connecting the dots as they happen; i have to retroactively do so.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

i have to retroactively do so.

I don't think I could trust myself to do that

I'd probably end up forgetting so many thoughts I have.

I always take notes on every book I read to further prevent this

 

[imontheloose]

I don't think I could trust myself to do that

I'd probably end up forgetting so many thoughts I have.

I always take notes on every book I read to further prevent this

my ltm has been in decline since i went mia. i am able to put together concepts equally as fine as b4 but i oddly suffer blurs for less literal concepts like ur avg memory of chilling with friends etc.

i dont take notes ever. never in uni either. i just sit and absorb when i need to. if needs be, i go home and practice with application of it. i really sucked at this whole note taking to learn thing. its a way to train ur memory n i dislike that. i prefer to really rationalise these things and hence it takes me a while to finish a book as i ponder on rather superficial details, but to me theyre important.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

my ltm has been in decline since i went mia. i am able to put together concepts equally as fine as b4 but i oddly suffer blurs for less literal concepts like ur avg memory of chilling with friends etc.

i dont take notes ever. never in uni either. i just sit and absorb when i need to. if needs be, i go home and practice with application of it. i really sucked at this whole note taking to learn thing. its a way to train ur memory n i dislike that. i prefer to really rationalise these things and hence it takes me a while to finish a book as i ponder on rather superficial details, but to me theyre important.

thats an interesting way of thinking

 

[imontheloose]

thats an interesting way of thinking

what two quarts of tea a day does to u.

 

[alurmo]

I forgot who it was but someone said that the greatest challenge of todays young men will be to conquer loneliness. I have to say I agree, things like loneliness, struggling with women, not being able to make friends which was once relegated to incels or outcasts is becoming more and more of a problem within the young male populace in general.

This has caused more and more men to become doomers and fall into despair as now they feel life has no meaning because they can't get validation from normies and women. They can't cope with the fact that meaning has been transferred into their own hands. The weak and pathetic men who rely on external validation(especially female validation) to determine right and wrong, what they should do, how they feel etc will die off.

They will die both spiritually and physically, their spiritual death will prevent them from going out into the world and spreading their ideas and physically they will die from roping, doing something stupid out of despair or just of a broken heart. In the end the only thing left will be a new race/generation of men of the west who's actions are capable of being self motivated and values self created. We will see less and less NPCs and more and more humans.

A new, more heroic culture in the west will be born from these men. Accelerationism may unironically mog.

@imontheloose @Wicket @SlayerJonas

i dont like accelerationism
young men first need to abandon their past beliefs, as they are useless for the advancement of specie
the limitations the modern world brings us is many, we cant die heroically liek the greats, but we can express ourselves beyond ouorselves in many ways

loneliness is a effect of the society, to fix loneliness would be to fix the society itself, without fixing the inherent problem, there will still be loneliness, women is another story, prob would need a whole thread on it, not being able to make friends in many however a great thing to have, doesnt really advance the species, we humans evolved the communication faculty to communicate a comon deed among the group,unless we need to communicate something badly, its useless wanting friends, as it means there are more ways to sabotage yourself
ive been in a special solitude for a good year, no people no society, its a peaceful existence, going outside, studying behaviours of people, plants andimals, u get to peace with life, and in turn learn to love life

not to be the dork here but nietzsche laygit talked abt the doomer arcethype, the person where the belief in god or hope is no longer powerful or neccessary, so he falls into a empty void of valuelessness, but it being caused from normies and women is kind ainaccurate imo, and yes, how weak minded and moldy the modern man has become, the men of the ancient world would trade places with anyone here in a heartbeat, as the modern man walks throguh life with no struggle, he creates struggles that are irrelevant to the advancement of himself or the species

and yes, pessimism is a popular belief modernly, bc it justifies alot of things the man believes in, esp it validates his hatred for the world


the cure for this is to build values from the ground up and work towards a higher goal dedicated for the love of life

 

[alurmo]

My greatest challenge is inserting my penis into a womanz vagina

just rape

 

[alurmo]

and to correct you OP
the ubermensche is not something we can see in our lifetime, we can strive to be like the ubermensch or in better words the higher man but we will never truly see a ubermench in our lifetime

 

[alurmo]

The ubermenschen has already sacrificed his ego and died

is that not superior to forum talk, you on the otherhand, risking nothing, sacrificing nothing, you decadent rotting piece of shit
the last man has never became so apparent to the eyes of knowledge, these cretins run the society like viruses OP

 

[alurmo]

the nichomachean ethics, st augustines confessions and the scapegoat by rene girard.

the first book was too metaphysical for me
the second book was too theistic for me
the third was also too metaphysical

 

[Mess]

We will never reach the ubermensch, it is only a distant aspiration.
We should decimate the human race only for the sick ass edits.

 

[unstable]

the nichomachean ethics, st augustines confessions and the scapegoat by rene girard.

imagine reading ethics and christian propaganda

 

[Deleted member 51358]

and to correct you OP
the ubermensche is not something we can see in our lifetime, we can strive to be like the ubermensch or in better words the higher man but we will never truly see a ubermench in our lifetime

technically true but this is semantics and misses the point of the thread

the point is we are moving far closer to it now to the point that a new generation of men is about to be born. Theres a reason I said " the ubermensch" as in singular and didnt say "ubermenschen" are being born.

We are moving towards a race of men who value the concept of the ubermensch and that is why I said the ubermensch is being born. I didnt mean literally we will see its perfect embodiment.

loneliness is a effect of the society, to fix loneliness would be to fix the society itself,

the society will fix itself once the men who managed to overcome this disease are all who are left. If we try to fix it artificially all it will do is let the NPCs flourish. Gynocentric men, men who need normie validation, men who can't think originally etc need to be removed.

Then the men who are left will create a superior heroic culture.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

just rape

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

DNR

 

[killcry]

is that not superior to forum talk, you on the otherhand, risking nothing, sacrificing nothing, you decadent rotting piece of shit
the last man has never became so apparent to the eyes of knowledge, these cretins run the society like viruses OP

I dont understand why ur assuming things. I take risks and sacrifice things everyday. I can almost promise u im the most low inhib person youll ever meet

 

[MOSSADGLOWIE]

I forgot who it was but someone said that the greatest challenge of todays young men will be to conquer loneliness. I have to say I agree, things like loneliness, struggling with women, not being able to make friends which was once relegated to incels or outcasts is becoming more and more of a problem within the young male populace in general.

This has caused more and more men to become doomers and fall into despair as now they feel life has no meaning because they can't get validation from normies and women. They can't cope with the fact that meaning has been transferred into their own hands. The weak and pathetic men who rely on external validation(especially female validation) to determine right and wrong, what they should do, how they feel etc will die off.

They will die both spiritually and physically, their spiritual death will prevent them from going out into the world and spreading their ideas and physically they will die from roping, doing something stupid out of despair or just of a broken heart. In the end the only thing left will be a new race/generation of men of the west who's actions are capable of being self motivated and values self created. We will see less and less NPCs and more and more humans.

A new, more heroic culture in the west will be born from these men. Accelerationism may unironically mog.

@imontheloose @Wicket @SlayerJonas

something like this might happen
but the opposition to this is that in modern society there are so many crutches for weak people
i believe the normies who are currently falling into despair and excessive nihilism are for now a loud minority
and i believe that the majorty of normies are content with their lives if given the right bullshit
cuz some1 who watches nfl and jerks off every day will never care whether his life has meaning or not
do those people even have enough iq to self-reflect?
however these people will die out as well probably since they're basically less than background noise
+ they're infertile


though all this seems too idealistic and it will never be this simple

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

I forgot who it was but someone said that the greatest challenge of todays young men will be to conquer loneliness. I have to say I agree, things like loneliness, struggling with women, not being able to make friends which was once relegated to incels or outcasts is becoming more and more of a problem within the young male populace in general.

This has caused more and more men to become doomers and fall into despair as now they feel life has no meaning because they can't get validation from normies and women. They can't cope with the fact that meaning has been transferred into their own hands. The weak and pathetic men who rely on external validation(especially female validation) to determine right and wrong, what they should do, how they feel etc will die off.

They will die both spiritually and physically, their spiritual death will prevent them from going out into the world and spreading their ideas and physically they will die from roping, doing something stupid out of despair or just of a broken heart. In the end the only thing left will be a new race/generation of men of the west who's actions are capable of being self motivated and values self created. We will see less and less NPCs and more and more humans.

A new, more heroic culture in the west will be born from these men. Accelerationism may unironically mog.

@imontheloose @Wicket @SlayerJonas

As a human you arent supposed to be lonely tho
I can resist it but not having some milestones handicaps you

 

[Sycophant]

i dont like accelerationism
young men first need to abandon their past beliefs, as they are useless for the advancement of specie
the limitations the modern world brings us is many, we cant die heroically liek the greats, but we can express ourselves beyond ouorselves in many ways

loneliness is a effect of the society, to fix loneliness would be to fix the society itself, without fixing the inherent problem, there will still be loneliness, women is another story, prob would need a whole thread on it, not being able to make friends in many however a great thing to have, doesnt really advance the species, we humans evolved the communication faculty to communicate a comon deed among the group,unless we need to communicate something badly, its useless wanting friends, as it means there are more ways to sabotage yourself
ive been in a special solitude for a good year, no people no society, its a peaceful existence, going outside, studying behaviours of people, plants andimals, u get to peace with life, and in turn learn to love life

not to be the dork here but nietzsche laygit talked abt the doomer arcethype, the person where the belief in god or hope is no longer powerful or neccessary, so he falls into a empty void of valuelessness, but it being caused from normies and women is kind ainaccurate imo, and yes, how weak minded and moldy the modern man has become, the men of the ancient world would trade places with anyone here in a heartbeat, as the modern man walks throguh life with no struggle, he creates struggles that are irrelevant to the advancement of himself or the species

and yes, pessimism is a popular belief modernly, bc it justifies alot of things the man believes in, esp it validates his hatred for the world


the cure for this is to build values from the ground up and work towards a higher goal dedicated for the love of life

key concept you talk on here, and I will very concisely summarise is, "our primary objective is no longer to survive, it's to live." The macro distractions we give ourselves, task or what have you, detracts from the mundane life we now live - almost like a synthetic version of actual tasks that needed to be performed to survive. The most over-exaggerated example is - forget to maintain your crops one day in winter and you're dead - there's actually a necessity for your input.

Coming at some point in the future - this idea that our input is ultimately useless and our need for our triumphs and tribulations to be heard - I will put into a large high effort post. Essentially a massive thought piece on validation for people.


but from your reply - this isn't some ultimate battle between ancient times and the modern depressed man who's read nietzsche once and had some massive revelation. I think you're subverting the contention if you make it a time dependant thing.

You're correct on how to interpret "just be happy bro" - like without going into further detail, just observe things you enjoy doing that don't have some long term destructive affect and js do it to pass time. - more details on this soon, but I'm js in pure agreeance with the very general concept maybe not with the execution

 

[Sycophant]

I forgot who it was but someone said that the greatest challenge of todays young men will be to conquer loneliness. I have to say I agree, things like loneliness, struggling with women, not being able to make friends which was once relegated to incels or outcasts is becoming more and more of a problem within the young male populace in general.

This has caused more and more men to become doomers and fall into despair as now they feel life has no meaning because they can't get validation from normies and women. They can't cope with the fact that meaning has been transferred into their own hands. The weak and pathetic men who rely on external validation(especially female validation) to determine right and wrong, what they should do, how they feel etc will die off.

- some key points
it's difficulty to really dive into the nuance on what you said with "needing validation from normies and women" without going into understanding why that's difficult

mind you, your entire concept of right and wrong is entirely observed - built up since your upbringing - but can be entirely rebuilt with a more mature view on the world. Typically people alone don't develop critical ideas because they don't expose themselves to multiple views, of which other people in their lives provide - so js saying "don't let normies have influence on ur lives" is a little outlandish.

But in the sentiment that - most people have atleast a facade portraying a selfless care for other around them - it's hard to develop this understanding. To quote my half written post "Everyone is innately selfish, and we constantly try to prove to those more innocent that we are selfless, and to those who aren't as innocent - that there exists selflessness in the world."

Validation exists to act as a status/fact check, but if you're in the same boat as Kafka and can't discern people tend to maintain a facade to hide their public opinions - you're ultimately left playing a game of meaningless pr attempts with people that only care on their public image.

I struggled with this for my life, but once you notice it, you'll always notice it - the smartest people never say what's on their mind because avoiding conflict with retards is probably the most beneficial thing for your day.

Like I said before, some people are truely innocent - and think everyone is genuine. Obviously this isn't the case - and you may even forget it like I have.

but yk don't be fucking stupid, you either realise it or you don't

 

[Sycophant]

As a human you arent supposed to be lonely tho

Part of this comes from the jealousy, watching other people easily communicate with peers and seemingly have well developed relationships that seem even.

Like there's no other reason that affects me as much, to have something I fantasized about reading books and watching a movie whereby someone could form something of a tight brethren/camaraderie to just go throughout life with.

it's like a build up of primitive ideas formulated as a kid, that gets shit on being an adult and never experiencing.

 

[Centurion_Hunter]

Part of this comes from the jealousy, watching other people easily communicate with peers and seemingly have well developed relationships that seem even.

Like there's no other reason that affects me as much, to have something I fantasized about reading books and watching a movie whereby someone could form something of a tight brethren/camaraderie to just go throughout life with.

it's like a build up of primitive ideas formulated as a kid, that gets shit on being an adult and never experiencing.

Its jealousy in a way I agree

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Coming at some point in the future - this idea that our input is ultimately useless and our need for our triumphs and tribulations to be heard - I will put into a large high effort post. Essentially a massive thought piece on validation for people.

Tag me in it. But yea we do live in a very strange time in the sense where I would argue the vast majority of people’s efforts really aren’t “necessary” to the same extent they were in the past.

but from your reply - this isn't some ultimate battle between ancient times and the modern depressed man who's read nietzsche once and had some massive revelation. I think you're subverting the contention if you make it a time dependant thing.

Its obviously not quite as reductive as that but I would say that in principle we are. As I alluded to in the post we are living in times where more traditional ways of establishing meaning are vanishing and meaning is shifting more and more into the hands of the individuals. There are many mechanisms of this(e.g Nietzsche believed as time has progressed humans have gone through a process called the "internalization of man" which has turned us into sort of self torturing creatures).

Philosophers in the past have already diagnosed this issue, the issues we are seeing now were already predicted by them and their work was in part meant as a way to prevent these things.

Both the work of Doestvysky(although you may not consider him a philosopher) and Nietzsche works were in part meant to address the coming existential crisis which would result in the changes society has been going through. Nietzsche is famous for his "God is dead quote" but it wasn't meant to be this sort of cringe r/atheism triumphant celebration but he was emphasizing caution. What would be the implications of a core tenant of society being upended? That was his point.

did people in the past experience existential dread, yes of course but it is the EXTENT that matters. It is in principle right to view this as a modern problem.

it's difficulty to really dive into the nuance on what you said with "needing validation from normies and women" without going into understanding why that's difficult

its important to note that this thread is just a description of a change which is happening in society compared to the past. it is not meant to give prescriptive advice on anything(at least not explicitly). So the actual mechanisms of being able to live authentically aren't meant discussed.

Typically people alone don't develop critical ideas because they don't expose themselves to multiple views, of which other people in their lives provide

Im not saying don't expose yourself to ideas, in fact that is the opposite of what im saying. What Im talking about is the transfer of the "selection" process of ideas being from the herd and geared more towards your own self. Also it's important to note were talking particularly about ethics/personal philosophy. I'm not saying you should believe the earth is flat for example.

so js saying "don't let normies have influence on ur lives" is a little outlandish.

living completely free from external influences is impossible of course but it is the extent which matters. When discussing ethics its asinine to demand the same amount of precision as you would when discussing Mathematics. We are discussing things in so far as they are generally true. Aristotle puts it best.

"Our discussion will be adequate if it has as much clearness as the subject-matter admits of, for precision is not to be sought for alike in all discussions, any more than in all the products of the crafts. Now fine and just actions, which political science investigates, admit of much variety and fluctuation of opinion, so that they may be thought to exist only by convention, and not by nature. And goods also give rise to a similar fluctuation because they bring harm to many people; for before now men have been undone by reason of their wealth, and others by reason of their courage. We must be content, then, in speaking of such subjects and with such premisses to indicate the truth roughly and in outline, and in speaking about things which are only for the most part true and with premisses of the same kind to reach conclusions that are no better. In the same spirit, therefore, should each type of statement be received; for it is the mark of an educated man to look for precision in each class of things just so far as the nature of the subject admits; it is evidently equally foolish to accept probable reasoning from a mathematician and to demand from a rhetorician scientific proofs." - The Nicomachean Ethics, Book 1 page 3.

It goes back to what I said to @alurmo the point of the thread is to explain that society is going through phenomenon which I speculate will leave only men who values closely align with the Ubermensch left. Essentially women worshipping simps and people who can't live without external validation are done for.

 

[lightswinning]

I forgot who it was but someone said that the greatest challenge of todays young men will be to conquer loneliness. I have to say I agree, things like loneliness, struggling with women, not being able to make friends which was once relegated to incels or outcasts is becoming more and more of a problem within the young male populace in general.

This has caused more and more men to become doomers and fall into despair as now they feel life has no meaning because they can't get validation from normies and women. They can't cope with the fact that meaning has been transferred into their own hands. The weak and pathetic men who rely on external validation(especially female validation) to determine right and wrong, what they should do, how they feel etc will die off.

They will die both spiritually and physically, their spiritual death will prevent them from going out into the world and spreading their ideas and physically they will die from roping, doing something stupid out of despair or just of a broken heart. In the end the only thing left will be a new race/generation of men of the west who's actions are capable of being self motivated and values self created. We will see less and less NPCs and more and more humans.

A new, more heroic culture in the west will be born from these men. Accelerationism may unironically mog.

@imontheloose @Wicket @SlayerJonas

I disagree tbh, online paid porn/ OF simpcucks are on the fucking rise more than every nowadays, even the supposed high T niggas like Larry Wheels are selling their soul for pussy. Most of the NPCs will continue to propagate their genes via betabuxxing a roastie bcuz they have 0 sentience/self respect eod, i don't think the NPCs will die out, if anything a larger fraction of men will be NPC/simpcucks due to more atomization.

 

[Chungus]

Ubermensch = coping wageslaves that are aspiring betabuxxes

 

[HundredManSlayer]

perfectly said

 

[ToDelirium]