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How to achieve a wider mouth!
Your mouth width is much more important than what you get told.
In this guide I'll explain how to get a fuller, bigger and especially wider mouth using only natural ways (none of which have negative side effects).
The mouth most of the time is disregarded when pointing out negative features on someone's face, but a wide mouth is enough to ascend an average looking guy. A wide, proportional and full mouth helps portray a more dominant and masculine expression.
Therefore, wide lips are preferred over narrow ones.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103115300251
https://pinkmirror.com/blog/why-is-...h-width-to-nose-width-attractive-among-males/
Model with a wide vs narrow mouth.
Exactly the same photo just with a smaller mouth, the difference is extreme.
Examples of a preferred mouth width:
The perfect length for mouth width is 50-60 mm, or a better way to make sure your mouth width is desirable is by measuring the length from each corner of your mouth in proportion to the length from each extreme of your nose. Your mouth should be 1.6 times wider than your nose, therefore the proportion of your nose width to your mouth width should be around 1.6:1. This proportion only applies if your nose width is average.
This guide to increase width and size is mostly experimental and has little scientific backing. I can say that this has worked for me and many other people, and all of these methods have little to no negative effects so it won't hurt trying. I'm not going to include surgical procedures since this site is full of surgeries and they are much more spoken about. The best one i could find is lateral commissuroplasty, a surgical procedure that extends the corners of the mouth by making precise incisions and repositioning tissue to increase oral width and enhance facial harmony.
Mouth Stretching
To achieve the best results it is best to have a device (microstomia prevention splint) able to hold your mouth in an elongated position over a long period of time, every one to two weeks the length of the instrument should be increased by about 0.5 cm.
This is probably the only guide this detailed about this method. Ive seen it multiple times on this thread but has a few flaws ill address, (skip the guide to see flaws and solutions).
The idea here is to stretch the mouth in such a way that the lips vermillion (skin) doesn’t tear, but instead gradually thickens and adjusts to being stretched wider than normal so that a greater width can be maintained without conscious effort. A very positive long-term side-benefit of the stretching techniques I will describe is a greatly reduced or totally cured tendency toward chapped lips.
This is a challenge because the human mouth is surrounded by one of the most forgiving and stretchable muscles in the body, the orbicularis oris. It’s basically a sphincter that forms an unbroken loop around a normal mouth. That’s why it’s possible to form your lips into the tiny circle needed for whistling, then open wide during a yawn to over twice the width and height of your normally relaxed mouth size.
What you need to do is to stretch this muscle, and the neighboring cheek muscles, beyondyour normal maximum width that you can achieve with just cheek and lips muscles efforts alone. That will require a horizontal lips stretcher, the most familiar method being a splint.
The object is to force (without tearing!!!) your orbiculus oris muscle to stretch beyond its normal limit and get the adjoining cheek muscles to adapt to the greater desired width. This will require lots of smiling and other expression efforts while wearing the splint (you may not see much actual movement at first, but in time you will see it as your cheek muscles adapt to the mouth opening being much closer than usual to where the muscles insert into cheekbones, etc. by shortening somewhat, but not losing their maximum stretches) This won’t be very comfortable, but if you’re motivated, you’ll push through the most painful first few days and gradually start to see results.
The above splint and muscles pictures are from “Microstomia Treatment & Management” by Homere Al Moutran, MD, and Arlen D. Meyers, MD, MBA.
This is what you’re up against (another type of splint). Those loose-looking muscles over the person’s stretched mouth below will in time straighten out as their relaxed length shortens some, allowing a larger overall range of motion. There are a good number of accessory muscles that will need to be exercised and encouraged to contract to shorter lengths to accommodate a wider smile for this to work (see picture below this one).
I developed my own mouth stretching apparatus with a unique shape and used it successfully to noticeably widen my mouth.
Update 12/30/18: One of the most amazing positive side-effects of my own mouth stretching regimen is I have not had chapped lips in two years. I used to get painful and sometimes bleeding chapped lips every winter several times a month, and even sometimes in other seasons—even with regular use of chapstick. A lot of this had to do with living in semi-arid, low-humidity southern Idaho. I still live in southern Idaho, but my mouth stretching has toughened up my lips’ vermilion enough that I can sing and widely smile all I want to even in the winter without fear of painfully splitting my lips, and I almost never use chapstick anymore. The only exception now is for sunscreen protection while surface-mining opal or spending a lot of time outside on sunlit snow.
Update 11/20/20: Make that four years without chapped lips.
Even if the stretching regimen doesn’t result in you getting a much wider mouth, curing your lips’ tendencies toward painful chapping is likely worth the regular horizontal mouth stretching all by itself.
Edit (6/22/19). Due to increased interest I am now showing my favorite mouth stretcher design. This mouth-widening brace uses smoothed and highly polished perforated springy semi-rigid stainless steel sheets. It takes into account the need to have something to stretch my mouth, some tabs on the ends to stabilize and hold the ends in my lateral commissures, and a wide portion where my entire upper and lower lips are supported in a stretched natural curvature. The other splint designs require you to manually hold your mouth wide with sustained conscious effort, limiting the time that you can wear the splint to what your muscles can endure.
Edit (4/15/22). I am working on further refinements of the mouth-widening brace design that now is cut with a water jet metal cutter from thin solid sheets of stainless steel (easier to cut, polish, shape, and keep clean) with horizontal rows of breath holes. All edges are smoothed and rounded by application of metalworking carborundum paper followed by stainless steel polish, as is the rest of the brace/appliance. The otherwise thin ends are then covered with thermoplastic so as to spread out the stretching force so even the most extreme stretching doesn’t result in injured lips, and allows tolerance of longer periods of wear.
My “10 cm” mouth brace uses blue electrical tape to spread the pressure over a wider area, and my “11 cm” mouth brace uses sports mouth guard silicone to soften its end edges. (Update: the 10 cm one now also uses “boil and bite” mouthguard thermoplastic.) The perforations permit normal breathing and somewhat coherent speech while the brace is being worn. Due to the small size of the perforations, breathing through the appliance while it’s being worn produces a pleasant white sound rather than whistling or annoying hisses.
I’m also in the process of determining which horizontal hole pattern in the newer solid stainless steel sheet-cut ones produces the least amount of noise when breathed through (some prototypes’ breath holes actually whistle when breathed through—I personally think it’s fun, though I suspect most people wouldn’t want that).
While slightly slurred and sounding somewhat different from my normal appliance-free speech, if I substitute “n” for “m,” “d” for “b,” and “t” for “p,” moving my tongue as far forward as possible with the substitute consonants, and normal tongue position for words that actually use m, b, or p, my speech is fully intelligible for most listeners. To make the “f” sound, merely sending a puff of exhaled breath at the right moment through the perforations makes a passable phoneme. The letter “v” is just the voiced version of the “f” puffed breath adaptation. It took practice, but I can now talk on the phone and not have to remove the mouth-widening appliance.
Of course you can just take out the appliance/brace while you’re on the phone and put it back in your mouth when you’re done.
Here’s what the perforated stainless steel ones look like.
Please excuse the so-so quality of my selfie. I was 57 when this picture was taken and not a model. This shows what the 10 cm one it looks like worn properly. I can wear this for a couple of hours or the 11 cm one for maybe 20 minutes before removing it due to discomfort. The most important thing to notice about my appliance is that you do not need to keep your cheek muscles tensed up to keep it from popping out of your mouth like other splints might. Your lips themselves hold the appliance in place. This way the only limit on how long you can wear it is the need to relieve discomfort from an extreme stretch or to eat or talk normally.
Another advantage to the design is the fact that if properly curved the middle part of the appliance applies little or no pressure on your front teeth. Thus, in widening your mouth this way, you won’t have to get orthodontic work done to move your teeth back forward to their proper position. The curvature has to be right; if too curved the appliance tends to come out of your mouth, and if not curved enough there will be some pressure on the teeth and gums. The wide part of the mouth-widening brace/appliance supports the upper and lower orbicularis oris muscles from behind on both the top and bottom and uses the pressure from the ends to keep the brace curved away from pressing on your teeth. If done right, a mouth-widening brace can be worn for minutes to hours without serious discomfort or danger of shifting your teeth, yet give your lips the sustained stretch you’re seeking.
Other stretchers that rely only on hooks and elastic for sustained pulling on the corners of the mouth pull the lips tightly against the teeth. The sustained pressure over time will likely push the teeth so they shift backward toward the mouth’s interior. You do not want that.
If anyone wants something like this, let me know by sending me a message. You will need a series with 0.5 to 1.0 cm increments wider as your mouth stretching progresses. I’m notdoing this for profit, but instead I have gone to the trouble of describing my methods because I think wider mouths look beautiful and I want to see more people enjoying both the visual and practical aspects of having them—and I know my appliance works.
My mouth used to be between 4.5 and 5 cm wide when relaxed and closed and is now 6 cm wide. Before I started my maximum smile width used to be about 7.5 cm wide and is now 9+ cm (10+ for a couple of hours immediately after a stretching session) with muscular efforts alone. To get this result I had to gradually work my way up from 9 cm forced stretches (the effort hurt, especially at first!) to now 12 cm wide with very little pain (if it hurts, I stop—I have learned to heed the warnings my body makes). I can still whistle, so I haven’t injured anything. This took about six months of serious effort and my designing and testing several novel apparatuses on myself to achieve this (other models involve stainless steel hooks or headgear—most of these caused pressure on my teeth so I abandoned them).
Edit (4/16/22): My current measurements are a bit over 6.0 cm wide measured straight across, 7.0+ cm if I follow the curve of my lips with a flexible ruler, and my maximum forced smile with cheek muscle efforts alone is 9 cm measured straight across and 11 cm if I follow the curve of my lips. When viewed from the sides, I can see my upper first molars while doing my widest smile.
This shows I’m starting to get my own wraparound smile, though I also need to drop about 40–50 pounds so my thick cheeks stop getting in the way (picture from 6/22/19).
My most recent trip to the dentist with my more stretchable mouth resulted in the easiest teeth cleaning I’ve ever had, and I can now open my mouth much wider for singing without cheek cramps. It’s not just for looks alone I did this. I haven’t had chapped lips at all (I guess the stretching toughened them up) this year, either. Finally, to my pleasant surprise, I have not acquired additional wrinkles around my mouth and face (I’m 58).
This requires time and commitment, and like you having to wear a retainer daily for the rest of your life after orthodontic treatment, you may have to do a daily mouth stretch to maintain the desired final width of your mouth. The mouth-widening braces by the time you’ve reached that point are usually comfortable enough to wear for an hour or more without any discomfort; you may even be able to sleep wearing one. I have slept wearing one maybe a half an inch or 1 cm shorter than my “therapeutic” one that still actively stretches my lips beyond normal.
Update 2/13/20: I realized that side views don’t tell my own story adequately, so I found two “Photo Booth” pictures I had taken a bit over three years apart. One was taken July 7th 2016 before I had started my own mouth-widening project. The other was taken November 13th 2019. I sized the images so they’re at the same scale, though the resolution and lighting is a bit different. Notice in the first image my mouth is only a tiny bit wider than my nose. I didn’t like how my mouth to nose width ratio looked in this and other pictures taken of me prior to then, hence the inspiration for my mouth-widening project.
Now take a look at the next image taken three years later. My face is just as relaxed as it was in the first image—or else my nose and face shape would have been different. Notice that I have no more wrinkles or sagging on the corners of my mouth despite the stretching, yet it’s obviously visibly wider—and I’m now 58.
If my appliances hadn’t worked on me, I would never have mentioned them, since I don’t exactly feel like embarrassing myself in front of over 300k readers (so far). I believe in them because they work, and I have made more progress (without giving myself sagging wrinkles, lips, or other damage) in a year with this design than with any other appliance I’ve come up with.
I have made additional progress in the couple of months since then, as I have since made and currently use a 12 cm appliance (it’s of course a tight fit as expected); I can now force-smile widely enough while wearing the 10 cm appliance to permit it to fall out of my mouth with a slight tongue push. My mouth is as of today between 6–6.5 cm wide straight across, and if I follow the curve of my lips around the front of my face, it’s between 6.5 and 7 cm as of February 13th, 2020. My nose is still 4.2 cm wide. The mouth to nose width ratio range is from 1.55 to 1.67 for the curve following measurement, meaning the average is 1.61, almost exactly the Golden Ratio—my goal.
This device has a few problems, also due to the fact that it was custom made for the designer and only him. Many peoples skin and bodies will react differently since this prolonged stretching is not natural and can lead to issues in the future.
The delicate skin and mucosa around the oral commissures are not designed to withstand prolonged tension, which can result in microtears, irritation, inflammation, and even permanent tissue damage. Repeated stretching can also compromise the elasticity of the skin and underlying muscles, potentially leading to asymmetry, scarring, or chronic discomfort.
Another negative aspect of this is that it is extremely hard to find this product, if not impossible, and if you do find it, the price is just not worth it and the measurements are not always correct. Therefore you either custom make it or use a random object that won't work but will just promote wrinkles.
The prolonged pulling of the tissue will also lead to a more flappy skin and stronger smile lines, (as seen from the example his mouth did widen but his smile lines worsened.). Keeping your mouth open all day and especially at night can also lead to involuntary mouth breathing, that can lead to problems much worse than a narrow mouth.
Therefore, for most people (including me), the cons override the pros, but this won't make a narrow mouth disappear. I used to have a mouth to nose proportion of 1.1:1, now it's around 1.6:1. All these methods have been backed by other people and sites (and some have scientific backing too), none of these have negative effects apart from specific cases and allergies.
1. Moisturise.
Making sure your lips are constantly moisturised is the minimum to have healthy and plump lips, moisture can so slightly plump the edges of your mouth giving a wider look. Apart from that moisturising your lips gives a cleaner, smoother appearance and enhances overall appeal.
2. Drink a fuckton of water.
When well hydrated, your lips retain the moisture and remain full and healthy. It will help them look as big as possible while also remaining smooth and shiny, water will help avoid crusty lips, drying your lips will make them smaller. Think of your lips as a sponge, having the same effect when given water.
3. Brush your lips.
Apart from brushing off all the dead skin, keeping them healthy and bright, brushing your lips ever so slightly irritates them (as long as you brush them softly not too hard), making them appear bigger and fuller for the day. A small thing that has worked for me but I have never seen is brushing the corners of your mouth with the corners of the bristles of your toothbrush (only works with electric toothbrush), it acts as a small knife opening the corners of your mouth and over a long period of time can act as a mouth widening surgery following the same principles. Here it is ok to go a bit harder but remember you don't want to injure you're lips, if you notice scabbing or prolonged redness that won't go away after 5 minutes brush them a bit softer.
4. Make it a habit to puff your lips.
Slightly puffing your lips makes them look bigger, wider and fuller. Learn to do it so it becomes second nature, but remember to puff them only slightly, if not you will just look dumb and grumpy. If done correctly the expression will look natural and once you learn it you will feel weird not puffing them.
5. Stretching.
Do this before going to bed as it will make your face look puffed. It is a simple stretching routine that has helped me achieve wider lips. Pull them as far apart as you can for a minute (extra hard for the last 10 seconds) and release. Do this 3 times every night. Then for about 30 seconds pull the top corner and the bottom corner of your lips apart (you shouldn't need much force), do this for each corner twice. It will take a lot, but if you're consistent every night you should notice results after a couple of months or even just a few weeks. This stretching routine aims to gradually widen the mouth by applying repeated mechanical tension to the perioral tissues, particularly the orbicularis oris muscle and surrounding connective structures. Consistent, controlled stretching may stimulate a process known as mechanotransduction, where cells respond to physical forces by remodeling tissue, potentially increasing elasticity and soft tissue length over time. This is possible since our mouth is one of the stretchiest tissues in our body ( this is why we can do so many different expressions with our mouth).
6. Makeup.
I have not personally tried this, but if it works for women, why not for men. Make sure it is subtle and is aimed to make the width of the mouth bigger, not the height.
7. Slim your nose.
Slimming down your nose will reduce how big your mouth needs to be to fit the golden ratio. It will also make it appear bigger just due to the mouth now occupying more space than the nose and having a more 'influential role' on your face.
8. Slim down / debloat.
Just having a less chubby face makes your mouth seem bigger due to the fact it is occupying a larger % of your face. This is the same as sliming down your nose, just making the mouth more visible and important will make it appear bigger.
9. Volufiline
Volufiline is a cosmetic ingredient known for its ability to enhance lip volume by stimulating adipogenesis—the process through which fat cells grow and multiply. When applied volufiline penetrates the skin and activates lipid storage within fat cells, leading to increased fullness and plumpness over time. This volumizing effect not only makes the lips appear bigger and rounder but can also contribute to a slightly wider look due to the expansion of soft tissue. Apply an appropriate dosage every day before vaseline or lip balm.
As said I have personally tried each method (apart from makeup) and have had great results:
Before:
After:
(This took about 6 months, but results were rapid.)
There is everything you can possibly do to achieve a wider mouth, this is my first guide so id appreciate any support I can get, thanks to anyone who has read this.
