The underrated part of looksmaxing

[chadisbeingmade]

Everybody knows that leanmaxing is important, but you can't do that properly without bulking first. You need to maintain an above-average or at least average bodyweight while simultaneously being shredded (8-12%). You will not get to that without first eating more to put on the weight. It is mandatory to bulk at first.

And while you can debate how much body matters to your SMV

Spoiler

(it matters more for respect, masculinity, aesthetics, & halo effect than female gaze imo)

no one can argue with how big defined neck, traps, & shoulders are a game-changer for your face. & you won't get those without initially gaining weight.

Too many young guys on this forum are starving themselves for a lean face & weigh 120-140 lbs.

Set a higher target weight on a scale & eat until you get to that. Then once you reach that goal weight whilst simultaneously going to the gym to pack on mass, then you can cut whilst training and preserving the lean mass you have built.

Here are some physiques that are peak female gaze IMO. A good amount of muscle, and decent leanness (could be better). Anything more than this is for male respect / male gaze, but the ideal physique is a different debate. What’s not debatable is the initial bulking faze.

Looksmaxing is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. And it’s not a linear pathway, you will have to go through phases of being looksminned due to bloat, body fat etc, then you can cut down and re-ascend. This goes for many looksmax methods even surgerymax (recovery etc)

Spoiler

Anyone denying this is probably a twink maxxing faggot that would lose in a fight to my sister most likely.

@Jonas2k7

 

[3links2]

23 bmi is ideal

 

[sawyerbaal]

Everybody knows that leanmaxing is important, but you can't do that properly without bulking first. You need to maintain an above-average or at least average bodyweight while simultaneously being shredded (8-12%). You will not get to that without first eating more to put on the weight. It is mandatory to bulk at first.

And while you can debate how much body matters to your SMV

Spoiler

(it matters more for respect, masculinity, aesthetics, & halo effect than female gaze imo)

no one can argue with how big defined neck, traps, & shoulders are a game-changer for your face. & you won't get those without initially gaining weight.

Too many young guys on this forum are starving themselves for a lean face & weigh 120-140 lbs.

Set a higher target weight on a scale & eat until you get to that. Then once you reach that goal weight whilst simultaneously going to the gym to pack on mass, then you can cut whilst training and preserving the lean mass you have built.

Here are some physiques that are peak female gaze IMO. A good amount of muscle, and decent leanness (could be better). Anything more than this is for male respect / male gaze, but the ideal physique is a different debate. What’s not debatable is the initial bulking faze.

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Looksmaxing is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. And it’s not a linear pathway, you will have to go through phases of being looksminned due to bloat, body fat etc, then you can cut down and re-ascend. This goes for many looksmax methods even surgerymax (recovery etc)

@Jonas2k7

i been knew this thats why im bulking rn cause im 140 at 15 5'10

 

[chadisbeingmade]

23 bmi is ideal

You aren’t really going to be ideal bodyfat at this bmi unless you have elite genetics / on roids.

 

[3links2]

You aren’t really going to be ideal bodyfat at this bmi unless you have elite genetics / on roids.

Nigga what are you talking about lmfao

 

[chadisbeingmade]

@maxlooksmax this thread was made in name of your 56kg ass.

 

[3links2]

You aren’t really going to be ideal bodyfat at this bmi unless you have elite genetics / on roids.

If you can't stay lean at 6'0 170 pounds then you're physically disabled
Even easier the taller u are

 

[sawyerbaal]

Everybody knows that leanmaxing is important, but you can't do that properly without bulking first. You need to maintain an above-average or at least average bodyweight while simultaneously being shredded (8-12%). You will not get to that without first eating more to put on the weight. It is mandatory to bulk at first.

And while you can debate how much body matters to your SMV

Spoiler

(it matters more for respect, masculinity, aesthetics, & halo effect than female gaze imo)

no one can argue with how big defined neck, traps, & shoulders are a game-changer for your face. & you won't get those without initially gaining weight.

Too many young guys on this forum are starving themselves for a lean face & weigh 120-140 lbs.

Set a higher target weight on a scale & eat until you get to that. Then once you reach that goal weight whilst simultaneously going to the gym to pack on mass, then you can cut whilst training and preserving the lean mass you have built.

Here are some physiques that are peak female gaze IMO. A good amount of muscle, and decent leanness (could be better). Anything more than this is for male respect / male gaze, but the ideal physique is a different debate. What’s not debatable is the initial bulking faze.

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Looksmaxing is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. And it’s not a linear pathway, you will have to go through phases of being looksminned due to bloat, body fat etc, then you can cut down and re-ascend. This goes for many looksmax methods even surgerymax (recovery etc)

Spoiler

Anyone denying this is probably a twink maxxing faggot that would lose in a fight to my sister most likely.

@Jonas2k7

what should i be taking on a bulk im taking creaitne and ashwaganda and eating healthy but should i take mk or soemthing like that

 

[chadisbeingmade]

If you can't stay lean at 6'0 170 pounds then you're physically disabled

I’m willing to bet most people on this forum aren’t. IDK if you’ve seen the people here.

I’m at about 75kg lean 6’

 

[chadisbeingmade]

what should i be taking on a bulk im taking creaitne and ashwaganda and eating healthy but should i take mk or soemthing like that

Creatine ain’t needed. You’ll just bloat even more. Ashwagabda won’t go anything that yields results either. Don’t take MK, the only thing that will give you is diabetes.
Just eat in a slight surplus each day whist going gym 4x a week and eating high protein. Eat your carbs pre workout. It’s that simple.

 

[3links2]

I’m willing to bet most people on this forum aren’t. IDK if you’ve seen the people here.

I’m at about 75kg lean 6’

It's called lifting weights and not going on a bulk without training properly
You're retarded

 

[chadisbeingmade]

It's called lifting weights and not going on a bulk without training properly
You're retarded

nigga this is the average frame of a .org user.

 

[zemult]

If you have a normie frame at least, there's no excuse not to gymmax.

Also leanmaxxing is a cope for the most part, if you don't have visible bones at 20% you're not gonna be much different at 10%.
maybe +0.1 psl gain in specific cases

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Also leanmaxxing is a cope for the most part, if you don't have visible bones at 20% you're not gonna be much different at 10%.
maybe +0.1 psl gain in specific cases

That’s extreme cope. Well maybe your boneless idk, but if you have bones then even going from 15-10% makes a huge difference, hollows come out etc, at least that’s my experience.

 

[zemult]

That’s extreme cope. Well maybe your boneless idk, but if you have bones then even going from 15-10% makes a huge difference, hollows come out etc, at least that’s my experience.

yeah if you actually have the bones & forward growth then that's different, it can help a lot for those reasons. but you would still at least see a visibility of bone at around 20% bf

a lot of ppl cope by starvemaxxing when they need to bimax and implantmax

 

[chadisbeingmade]

yeah if you actually have the bones & forward growth then that's different, it can help a lot for those reasons. but you would still at least see a visibility of bone at around 20% bf

a lot of ppl cope by starvemaxxing when they need to bimax and implantmax

At 20%+ I can see zygos lateral projection and hollows when talking, but other than that, a bloated mess tbh. Leanmax saved my life.

You can easily tell people like this will have 0 definition no matter what body fat.

 

[zemult]

At 20%+ I can see zygos lateral projection and hollows when talking, but other than that, a bloated mess tbh. Leanmax saved my life.

You can easily tell people like this will have 0 definition no matter what body fat.
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in my experience, i'm around 20% bf and probably never dropped below 17% in my life for the reason that i've never seen my abs.

i have a pretty good jaw forward growth from the side with normal teeth/occlusion, long ramus, etc. but my bigonial width at 83% completely fucks over the look from the front

it's in cases like this where you are a high bodyfat but leanmaxxing won't really benefit you much at all

 

[zemult]

although leanmaxxing will probably benefit me after i get infras/jaw angles

 

[maxlooksmax]

Everybody knows that leanmaxing is important, but you can't do that properly without bulking first. You need to maintain an above-average or at least average bodyweight while simultaneously being shredded (8-12%). You will not get to that without first eating more to put on the weight. It is mandatory to bulk at first.

And while you can debate how much body matters to your SMV

Spoiler

(it matters more for respect, masculinity, aesthetics, & halo effect than female gaze imo)

no one can argue with how big defined neck, traps, & shoulders are a game-changer for your face. & you won't get those without initially gaining weight.

Too many young guys on this forum are starving themselves for a lean face & weigh 120-140 lbs.

Set a higher target weight on a scale & eat until you get to that. Then once you reach that goal weight whilst simultaneously going to the gym to pack on mass, then you can cut whilst training and preserving the lean mass you have built.

Here are some physiques that are peak female gaze IMO. A good amount of muscle, and decent leanness (could be better). Anything more than this is for male respect / male gaze, but the ideal physique is a different debate. What’s not debatable is the initial bulking faze.

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Looksmaxing is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. And it’s not a linear pathway, you will have to go through phases of being looksminned due to bloat, body fat etc, then you can cut down and re-ascend. This goes for many looksmax methods even surgerymax (recovery etc)

Spoiler

Anyone denying this is probably a twink maxxing faggot that would lose in a fight to my sister most likely.

@Jonas2k7

Bookmarked

 

[chadisbeingmade]

in my experience, i'm around 20% bf and probably never dropped below 17% in my life for the reason that i've never seen my abs.

i have a pretty good jaw forward growth from the side with normal teeth/occlusion, long ramus, etc. but my bigonial width at 83% completely fucks over the look from the front

it's in cases like this where you are a high bodyfat but leanmaxxing won't really benefit you much at all

It’s usually the % points below 15% that make the most facial difference. That’s many, including my experience.

Post in thread 'Is 10% body fat cope?'
https://looksmax.org/threads/is-10-body-fat-cope.690322/post-10918278

When you get visible abs without flexing that would be ~15%, and ~10% is where you get vein abs.

If you have good bones I don’t see why leanmax wouldn’t benefit you, even if your jaw is slightly narrow. Do you see any visibility of hollows etc at all?

You’ve seen this photo I think before. But in the before pic I would honestly think he is boneless. he isn’t actually fat. The difference between them is about 5-7kg as he said himself. That much weight completely destroyed his face. It’s worth leaning down to see what happens (i’m not implying that you become Colton, but what i am saying is the few kg under 15% change everything provided there is bone underneath)

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Bookmarked

Go to bed bro it’s 3AM
OVER FOR YOUR HEIGHT GROWTH UR GONNA STAY 5’8

 

[zemult]

It’s usually the % points below 15% that make the most facial difference. That’s many, including my experience.

Post in thread 'Is 10% body fat cope?'
https://looksmax.org/threads/is-10-body-fat-cope.690322/post-10918278

When you get visible abs without flexing that would be ~15%, and ~10% is where you get vein abs.

If you have good bones I don’t see why leanmax wouldn’t benefit you, even if your jaw is slightly narrow. Do you see any visibility of hollows etc at all?

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You’ve seen this photo I think before. But in the before pic I would honest think he is boneless. he isn’t actually fat. The difference between them is about 5-7kg as he said himself. That much weight completely destroyed his face. It’s worth leaning down to see what happens (i’m not implying that you become Colton, but what i am saying is the few kg under 15% change everything)

Nah I actually haven't seen this before photo before, that's lifefuel for leanmaxxing ngl.

You're right it's worth leaning down just to see what's there. I cope greatly with my side profile but my front profile looks like a bloated mess and I'm pretty sure it's mostly due to my gonion width / shape & possible lack of malar projection. But to be fair I have never been lean in my life.

Another problem with my face is that it's slightly too compact (~1.1 midface 2.0-2.05 fwhr) but I don't think downgrafting will help because my mandible is properly tall, gonial angle is 115-120, smile has gum show, etc.

 

[maxlooksmax]

Go to bed bro it’s 3AM
OVER FOR YOUR HEIGHT GROWTH UR GONNA STAY 5’8

Good point , but i will sleep 9 hours anyway so why does it matter

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Nah I actually haven't seen this before photo before, that's lifefuel for leanmaxxing ngl.

Another example. Obviously provided you have bones underneath still, but there is only one real way to tell, and that’s to try.

You're right it's worth leaning down just to see what's there. I cope greatly with my side profile but my front profile looks like a bloated mess and I'm pretty sure it's mostly due to my gonion width / shape & possible lack of malar projection. But to be fair I have never been lean in my life.

It’s worth leaning down 100%. You will get to see what your true bone structure looks like. You have fat over your gonians etc just rounding you out and making you look bloated.

Orc said this is about 15% to 10%. Its a crazy difference. Bloated and looks diabolically shit in the top pic. 0 jaw.
You will be able to properly asses surgeries etc once lean.

Another problem with my face is that it's slightly too compact (~1.1 midface 2.0-2.05 fwhr) but I don't think downgrafting will help because my mandible is properly tall, gonial angle is 115-120, smile has gum show, etc.

Compact faces tend to hold fat worse than not so compact faces as well. Barrett for example, even though an extreme example.

You should lean down, there’s no harm in doing so hinesltly, you may be surprised

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Good point , but i will sleep 9 hours anyway so why does it matter

Sleep till 1pm theory

mirin schedule

 

[Vultus Tui Res]

Creatine ain’t needed. You’ll just bloat even more. Ashwagabda won’t go anything that yields results either. Don’t take MK, the only thing that will give you is diabetes.
Just eat in a slight surplus each day whist going gym 4x a week and eating high protein. Eat your carbs pre workout. It’s that simple.

Any specific protein you recommend?

 

[zemult]

Another example. Obviously provided you have bones underneath still, but there is only one real way to tell, and that’s to try.
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It’s worth leaning down 100%. You will get to see what your true bone structure looks like. You have fat over your gonians etc just rounding you out and making you look bloated.
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Orc said this is about 15% to 10%. Its a crazy difference. Bloated and looks diabolically shit in the top pic. 0 jaw.
You will be able to properly asses surgeries etc once lean.


Compact faces tend to hold fat worse than not so compact faces as well. Barrett for example, even though an extreme example.

You should lean down, there’s no harm in doing so hinesltly, you may be surprised

Yeah I've heard that compact faces hold fat worse than longer faces, I'm hoping this is what it is jfl.

Appreciate the talk, gave me some leanmaxxing lifefuel.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Yeah I've heard that compact faces hold fat worse than longer faces, I'm hoping this is what it is jfl.

Appreciate the talk, gave me some leanmaxxing lifefuel.

Good luck bro.

Any specific protein you recommend?

Meats mate, any meat. I don’t see a reason to consume protein powder in all honestly, since it’s not hard to hit protein target with real food. Red meat (steaks, ground beef), chicken, tuna, salmon etc. Just any animal produce and you are good. I primarily eat beef.

 

[copercel123]

Everybody knows that leanmaxing is important, but you can't do that properly without bulking first. You need to maintain an above-average or at least average bodyweight while simultaneously being shredded (8-12%). You will not get to that without first eating more to put on the weight. It is mandatory to bulk at first.

And while you can debate how much body matters to your SMV

Spoiler

(it matters more for respect, masculinity, aesthetics, & halo effect than female gaze imo)

no one can argue with how big defined neck, traps, & shoulders are a game-changer for your face. & you won't get those without initially gaining weight.

Too many young guys on this forum are starving themselves for a lean face & weigh 120-140 lbs.

Set a higher target weight on a scale & eat until you get to that. Then once you reach that goal weight whilst simultaneously going to the gym to pack on mass, then you can cut whilst training and preserving the lean mass you have built.

Here are some physiques that are peak female gaze IMO. A good amount of muscle, and decent leanness (could be better). Anything more than this is for male respect / male gaze, but the ideal physique is a different debate. What’s not debatable is the initial bulking faze.

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Looksmaxing is not a sprint, it’s a marathon. And it’s not a linear pathway, you will have to go through phases of being looksminned due to bloat, body fat etc, then you can cut down and re-ascend. This goes for many looksmax methods even surgerymax (recovery etc)

Spoiler

Anyone denying this is probably a twink maxxing faggot that would lose in a fight to my sister most likely.

@Jonas2k7

You didn’t explained why you need to gain weight before cutting

 

[slaters]

but my bigonial width at 83% completely fucks over the look from the front

Your gonions will be 5x better and wider leaner
I never realized how much a difference lean max makes until I saw a pic of my jaw 8 months ago now it’s a round piece of shit during the bulk

Compact faces tend to hold fat worse than not so compact faces as well

Brutal for compact faces they look like shit 90% of the time irl

 

[slaters]

You didn’t explained why you need to gain weight before cutting

You need to be in a calorie surplus to gain muscle first

 

[copercel123]

You need to be in a calorie surplus to gain muscle first

I never did a cut and my physique was insane within a year of training

 

[AverageCurryEnjoyer]

trt and slight cut mogs

 

[jeff1234]

You didn’t explained why you need to gain weight before cutting

 

[chadisbeingmade]

You didn’t explained why you need to gain weight before cutting

@jeff1234 unless ur currently fat you will need to gain weight.

 

[Va-qoh]

DNR