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NOTE: Still have some "megathreads" left in the tank apparently. This'll be my most "subjective" thread yet. Feel free to share songs/artists you like, otherwise post "DNR" to bump my thread k thanks.
Top 100 Spotify male musicians cucking men worldwide
Call me crazy, but I think any male music artist on the top 100 Spotify list might as well be the list of the most metaphysically impactful men on the planet. I'd rank them amongst the top alongside top actors and athletes, maybe even above them both. B-but Donald Trump". Most people who glaze politicians are giga copers who think that anything ever happens and that Trump would be the one to bring their dream virgin waifu to fruition. "B-but CR7 and Messi are more famous!!". Yes, but it takes some conscious effort and emotional investment to appreciate what they're doing, unlike certain music, which does not ask for permission to bypass all rationality within you. Inb4 "Water. Everyone and their dog already knows this". I'm gonna flip a table if anyone says that because it clearly isn't when I take one look at the posts being made here every day.
A complete Dionysian disruptor, the "right" music slips past the rational gates, straight into the limbic system, the amygdala, rewiring moods, memories, and even moral compasses in ways that philosophers or world leaders and politicians can only dream of. While a TED Talk might inspire one paradigm shift, a hook from Taylor Swift embeds itself in a woman's neural playlist for life, influencing how they process heartbreak or empowerment. Hence, I fear mainstream popstars cucking us more than any jeet billionaire.
Justin Bieber (in his prime) was perhaps the most metaphysically powerful individual in the world at one point, influencing the psyche of many teenage girls and women worldwide, much like siren songs. You had teenage girls back then decorating their rooms with posters of him and whatnot, redefining their sexual psyche permanently. I remember hearing Justin Bieber's name for the first time 15 years ago back in elementary school. Some guys in my class were bantering before sports class and calling each other "gay" and comparing them to "Justin Bieber". Bieber's name was almost synonymous with being gay and flung as a playground insult. But was he really "gay", or were the kids just paranoid of Bieber cucking them without even being physically present?
Fast forward a decade or so later, One Direction and BTS came and gone. In the present day, The Weeknd basically became the symbol of the ethnic takeover many users here are panicking about. No matter the ethnicity of the woman, white, black, asian, their pussies are somehow getting wet for low-inhib ethnic badboys. I bet even the most conservative good girls or some shit while doing housework would involuntarily get wet after listening to lyrics like "make that pussy pop and do it how I want it" on the radio. Not even that one Japanese JB girl that lives in the rural countryside and bikes to school every day with their packed bento box lunch to study hard and make her parents proud would be able to stop her thighs clenching and pussy juices leaking mid-kanji after being exposed to that shiet. No man's oneitis, female cousin, sister, aunt or even their mom is safe from that. It's basically like a psychological Trojan horse. In terms of the men that contribute to the psychosexual development of a woman, I'd argue the holy trinity includes her father (or lack of), her first love or chad (raw unfiltered sexual desire) and male music artists/entertainers (like Justin Bieber, One Direction, The Weeknd, etc). If you're not even part of a woman's "holy trinity" here, has it ever begun? You might think it's The Weeknd's fault (or any hip-hop/R&B artist) for turning women worldwide into degenerate whores, seeing your virgin oneitis as another pussy to "pop" and to do whatever he wants to it. But I think he's merely the messenger and documenting something that has already been there since the dawn of humanity. He's a reminder that your oneitis also has a vagina and is also capable of sexual pleasure like every other woman.
AI replacing music
"B-but AI will replace music and The Weeknd. The jeets will eventually take over the world!!!". One thing that tech nerds rarely understand is nuance. They don't understand that a lot of the appeal in music isn't the technical perfection, but the emotional potency that lights up the amygdala. AI music lacks grit, lived heartbreaks, traumas, and a personal history for fans and listeners to emotionally invest in. I suppose one of the "superpowers" humans seemingly have no matter if they're a complete retard or a genius, is that they can feel that something is "empty" or "hollow". I'd argue that advocating for AI to replace music is self-cuckoldry. When that happens, the music market is going to be flooded with Weeknd-lite wet dreams since they know that it's the most profitable type of music to make. The consequence is that The Weeknd gets immortalized even further, monopolizing the music industry, leaving no chance for fresh talents to thrive and amplifying the cuckoldry worldwide.
A solution?
So is it all over for us average citizens? Unfortunately, it's an inevitability that your women will be made wet by external sources at one point or another. At most, you could try gathering some intel from a woman (very discreetly) to find out what music she likes. But there should be a balance between trying too hard to please her and playing your own music. However, it's always a safe bet to play any music artist who is currently popular or in the top 100 (cuz duh generally women can't think for themselves). Even though you might not be the original singer/rapper of the songs, you could at least be their DJ to gauge their reactions and adjust according to the vibe. If you're lucky, she might even start associating those songs with you a little.
Regardless of how she presents herself, no matter the culture or ethnicity, no matter how studious or trad, it would rarely ever hurt you to steer away from playing/sharing metal, rock, classical, country, political (just why JFL), video game, or any other niche music that screams "other" or non-NT in front of her. They're all a bit too "Apollonian" (too rational, orderly and self-disciplined to get the juices flowing) for a lack of a better word. Personally, I think Final Fantasy soundtracks are absolute bangers that make me feel like a complete badass. But I now know they don't make no pussy wet. It's now become something I reserve for my inner child.
TL;DR: The thing that seemingly no one admits is that the male popstars in Spotify's Top 100 wield more metaphysical power over women's sexual psyche than any politician, billionaire or athlete. Music bypasses rationality and rewires the limbic system directly. A single hook can permanently shape a woman's desires, moods and even moral compass. Every "good girl", regardless of culture, religion or upbringing, gets wet to the same low-inhib, hedonistic badboy anthems. This forms a psychosexual "holy trinity" for women: father, first love, and favorite male artists. If you're none of these, you might as well have never mattered to her. AI music will only exacerbate how things already are by immortalizing the most arousing archetype forever. Average men are left with two choices: seethe and listen to metal, country, video game/anime soundtracks alone, or accept this reality and become her Spotify Top 100 DJ.
Cuck story
Addressing the Madonna-Whore Complex with music
Formative music tastes
Has music degenerated?
What it means to be an "artist"
@TiktokUser @bloomercel @LLcel @(-__-+) @greycel
Top 100 Spotify male musicians cucking men worldwide
Call me crazy, but I think any male music artist on the top 100 Spotify list might as well be the list of the most metaphysically impactful men on the planet. I'd rank them amongst the top alongside top actors and athletes, maybe even above them both. B-but Donald Trump". Most people who glaze politicians are giga copers who think that anything ever happens and that Trump would be the one to bring their dream virgin waifu to fruition. "B-but CR7 and Messi are more famous!!". Yes, but it takes some conscious effort and emotional investment to appreciate what they're doing, unlike certain music, which does not ask for permission to bypass all rationality within you. Inb4 "Water. Everyone and their dog already knows this". I'm gonna flip a table if anyone says that because it clearly isn't when I take one look at the posts being made here every day.
A complete Dionysian disruptor, the "right" music slips past the rational gates, straight into the limbic system, the amygdala, rewiring moods, memories, and even moral compasses in ways that philosophers or world leaders and politicians can only dream of. While a TED Talk might inspire one paradigm shift, a hook from Taylor Swift embeds itself in a woman's neural playlist for life, influencing how they process heartbreak or empowerment. Hence, I fear mainstream popstars cucking us more than any jeet billionaire.
Justin Bieber (in his prime) was perhaps the most metaphysically powerful individual in the world at one point, influencing the psyche of many teenage girls and women worldwide, much like siren songs. You had teenage girls back then decorating their rooms with posters of him and whatnot, redefining their sexual psyche permanently. I remember hearing Justin Bieber's name for the first time 15 years ago back in elementary school. Some guys in my class were bantering before sports class and calling each other "gay" and comparing them to "Justin Bieber". Bieber's name was almost synonymous with being gay and flung as a playground insult. But was he really "gay", or were the kids just paranoid of Bieber cucking them without even being physically present?
Fast forward a decade or so later, One Direction and BTS came and gone. In the present day, The Weeknd basically became the symbol of the ethnic takeover many users here are panicking about. No matter the ethnicity of the woman, white, black, asian, their pussies are somehow getting wet for low-inhib ethnic badboys. I bet even the most conservative good girls or some shit while doing housework would involuntarily get wet after listening to lyrics like "make that pussy pop and do it how I want it" on the radio. Not even that one Japanese JB girl that lives in the rural countryside and bikes to school every day with their packed bento box lunch to study hard and make her parents proud would be able to stop her thighs clenching and pussy juices leaking mid-kanji after being exposed to that shiet. No man's oneitis, female cousin, sister, aunt or even their mom is safe from that. It's basically like a psychological Trojan horse. In terms of the men that contribute to the psychosexual development of a woman, I'd argue the holy trinity includes her father (or lack of), her first love or chad (raw unfiltered sexual desire) and male music artists/entertainers (like Justin Bieber, One Direction, The Weeknd, etc). If you're not even part of a woman's "holy trinity" here, has it ever begun? You might think it's The Weeknd's fault (or any hip-hop/R&B artist) for turning women worldwide into degenerate whores, seeing your virgin oneitis as another pussy to "pop" and to do whatever he wants to it. But I think he's merely the messenger and documenting something that has already been there since the dawn of humanity. He's a reminder that your oneitis also has a vagina and is also capable of sexual pleasure like every other woman.
AI replacing music
"B-but AI will replace music and The Weeknd. The jeets will eventually take over the world!!!". One thing that tech nerds rarely understand is nuance. They don't understand that a lot of the appeal in music isn't the technical perfection, but the emotional potency that lights up the amygdala. AI music lacks grit, lived heartbreaks, traumas, and a personal history for fans and listeners to emotionally invest in. I suppose one of the "superpowers" humans seemingly have no matter if they're a complete retard or a genius, is that they can feel that something is "empty" or "hollow". I'd argue that advocating for AI to replace music is self-cuckoldry. When that happens, the music market is going to be flooded with Weeknd-lite wet dreams since they know that it's the most profitable type of music to make. The consequence is that The Weeknd gets immortalized even further, monopolizing the music industry, leaving no chance for fresh talents to thrive and amplifying the cuckoldry worldwide.
A solution?
So is it all over for us average citizens? Unfortunately, it's an inevitability that your women will be made wet by external sources at one point or another. At most, you could try gathering some intel from a woman (very discreetly) to find out what music she likes. But there should be a balance between trying too hard to please her and playing your own music. However, it's always a safe bet to play any music artist who is currently popular or in the top 100 (cuz duh generally women can't think for themselves). Even though you might not be the original singer/rapper of the songs, you could at least be their DJ to gauge their reactions and adjust according to the vibe. If you're lucky, she might even start associating those songs with you a little.
Regardless of how she presents herself, no matter the culture or ethnicity, no matter how studious or trad, it would rarely ever hurt you to steer away from playing/sharing metal, rock, classical, country, political (just why JFL), video game, or any other niche music that screams "other" or non-NT in front of her. They're all a bit too "Apollonian" (too rational, orderly and self-disciplined to get the juices flowing) for a lack of a better word. Personally, I think Final Fantasy soundtracks are absolute bangers that make me feel like a complete badass. But I now know they don't make no pussy wet. It's now become something I reserve for my inner child.
TL;DR: The thing that seemingly no one admits is that the male popstars in Spotify's Top 100 wield more metaphysical power over women's sexual psyche than any politician, billionaire or athlete. Music bypasses rationality and rewires the limbic system directly. A single hook can permanently shape a woman's desires, moods and even moral compass. Every "good girl", regardless of culture, religion or upbringing, gets wet to the same low-inhib, hedonistic badboy anthems. This forms a psychosexual "holy trinity" for women: father, first love, and favorite male artists. If you're none of these, you might as well have never mattered to her. AI music will only exacerbate how things already are by immortalizing the most arousing archetype forever. Average men are left with two choices: seethe and listen to metal, country, video game/anime soundtracks alone, or accept this reality and become her Spotify Top 100 DJ.
Cuck story
Certain music can act as a soundtrack to a specific point in our lives, for the better or worse. In my case, music was also something that added salt to my wounds when I got "cucked" by that dark triad-maxxed sub-5 asian guy. While I already covered the details of what happened, I didn't talk about the music I was listening to back then and how it amplified my pre-existing emotions.
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Looking back, she fit 80% of the female manipulator archetype depicted below (Genshin Impact, Valorant, Hello Kitty aesthetics, The Weeknd, Drake, the cutesy emojis, Hello Kitty aesthetics, the black hair, etc). At this point, I'm not even surprised if the "millions of exes" thing was true and I'd been lied to the whole time. The music she listened to also matched what these types of girls liked. I remembered seeing her listen to "Cigarettes After Sex" on Spotify several times JFL. She might as well have been a government-issued biological entity specifically sent to test me.
After my virgin oneitis blocked me and we met again on our college Discord server, I started listening to The Weeknd in an attempt to lighten myself up and make my texts sound more NT. But his songs, in particular "Creepin" was playing (basically a cuck song) and actually pried open my emotional wounds while I watched that asian guy neg and "corrupt" her. But in retrospect, he probably helped "liberate" her inner whore that she suppressed the whole time when I was still talking to her. Yes I know it's basically a remake of a song by another person and so on, but it was The Weeknd's voice in particular that made it feel like I got stabbed by a knife and that my nerves felt every inch of that cold blade in my flesh. Every "I don't wanna knowwww" felt like electrocution. It evoked the mental imagery of unfiltered hedonism, one-night stands one after another, and neon lights flickering against rain-slicked streets. This represented my Dionysian (chaos, passion, irrationality) dissolution phase, the comforting illusions I once had being stripped down, forcing me to embrace the true horror of the primal. Inb4 "I call this story a dramatized larppppp. You were not stabbed!!". No shit you fucking low-functioning autist. It's called an analogy.
The one particular Weeknd song that basically "finished" me off was "Often". When that song was playing in my playlist, it made me think of when that asian guy started making sexual remarks towards my oneitis (it felt like he was taunting me through that song), and straight-up admitted being "rock solid" for her in a League game, screenshotting himself saying that and sending it into the college server for everyone to see. It's as if my oneitis told him everything about me, and needed his help to make me suffer as deeply as possible for her own amusement. I could almost hear her giggling with her sweet voice while covering her mouth, crinkled crescent eyes, but with faux-innocent malice. I remember putting in all my willpower to stop myself from tearing up and trembling while I stared in disbelief at my screen. At that point, I couldn't take it anymore, and that was what prompted me to reach out to her in DMs for closure, almost begging for mercy. Every "Often, often, girl I do this often / Make that pussy poppin', do it how I want it" hook twisted the blade deeper, further imprinting the thought that it'd already be generous for me even to get sloppy seconds after she'd been reduced to a mere cumrag. But in reality, as The Weeknd said, "Bitches down to do it either way". He narrated my "L" in 4K. It was her choice to become a "cumrag". It was a brutal wakeup call that my oneitis had a vagina just like every other woman, and it was finally put to use.
To hype and give myself the strength to DM her for closure, I started listening to Eminem songs for that Apollonian balance. His songs "Love The Way You Lie" and "Not Afraid" stuck out to me the most then and basically acted as the soundtrack for the "final stand" and "end credits" with my oneitis. I had to learn to "like the way it hurts". Mind you, I don't consider myself a hip-hop fan, but his songs felt like the most relevant thing to me in that very moment. Inb4 "Y-you just listened to his songs just because he's white!!". Regardless of the outcome, I was just glad the suffering was finally over, and I developed newfound strength.
Through a Nietzschean lens, I experienced a Dionysian ignition where it demanded my total surrender to the unfiltered primal truths: joy, horror, and my virgin oneitis's inner whore. The Weeknd was my soundtrack to that whole process. Through Eminem's songs, it helped impose boundaries on the chaos, structure to my scars, transforming the pain into affirmations. It represented the Apollonian refinement.
The fusion of these two opposing forces (Dionysian and Apollonian) created tragedy, the highest form of art (hence "The Birth of Tragedy"). This "tragic joy" and catharsis allowed me to survive and even affirm all that I had to endure.
However, society's increasing obsession with STEM represents the gradual death of this art form. Although you could argue it all started way back to Socrates and his sheer emphasis on logic, rationality, and theoretical knowledge (Apollonian excess) over a delicate balance. The advent of Socratic thought, which sought to make everything intelligible, led to the suppression of the Dionysian spirit and its mythological, emotive worldview. This resulted in a culture that prioritized being analytical over the visceral, emotional experience that tragedy provided. Many STEMcels and jeets now see themselves as being too "advanced" and "noble" for sex. "B-but being analytical is ideal don't you see? Women love smart men!!". If that's so, you'd be drowning in more pussy than every thugmaxxed fuckboi. This Apollonian excess through the dickriding of STEM led to us losing touch with raw, unfiltered, primal truths of the human condition. I've already mentioned that it's a form of self-cuckoldry multiple times, but STEMcels and jeets especially ain't gonna listen. But hey, maybe some jeets here don't wanna get disowned by their fathers and get side-eyes from "aunties" on Diwali for ditching their engineering career to become a masseur or fitness instructor.
I've covered this dilemma previously in this thread:
looksmax.org
TL;DR: When I got cucked by that dark-triad sub-5 Asian guy on Discord, The Weeknd basically became the real-time narrator/bard of my humiliation. My "virgin" oneitis got "corrupted" in front of everyone while "Creepin'" and "Often" played in my headphones. Every lyric about getting cucked and making pussy "pop" felt like a personal knife twist as that Asian guy bragged about being "rock solid" for her on the server. The Weeknd's voice turned the whole ordeal into a neon-lit nightmare of one-night stands and primal betrayal. I was forced to watch my illusions shatter and accept that even my "pure" oneitis had a vagina that got wet like every other woman.
For the "final stand", I deliberately switched to Eminem for the strength to DM her for closure. The standout songs were "Love The Way You Lie" and "Not Afraid", and those provided me the rational scaffolding to turn pain into "tragic joy". It gave me catharsis and rebirth. Modern STEM/Socratic obsession killed this balance and instinct, breeding analytical copers that only cuck themselves.
How I fully embraced the blackpill (MEGATHREAD + COMPILATION)
Intro Shoutout to @emeraldglass for prompting me to write this thread after he broke my profile’s hymen to ask why I basically never posted this whole time since 2020. Although he seems to have gone MIA ever since. Looks like I got pumped n dumped and @greycel got his sloppy seconds. I made...
looksmax.org
Looking back, she fit 80% of the female manipulator archetype depicted below (Genshin Impact, Valorant, Hello Kitty aesthetics, The Weeknd, Drake, the cutesy emojis, Hello Kitty aesthetics, the black hair, etc). At this point, I'm not even surprised if the "millions of exes" thing was true and I'd been lied to the whole time. The music she listened to also matched what these types of girls liked. I remembered seeing her listen to "Cigarettes After Sex" on Spotify several times JFL. She might as well have been a government-issued biological entity specifically sent to test me.
After my virgin oneitis blocked me and we met again on our college Discord server, I started listening to The Weeknd in an attempt to lighten myself up and make my texts sound more NT. But his songs, in particular "Creepin" was playing (basically a cuck song) and actually pried open my emotional wounds while I watched that asian guy neg and "corrupt" her. But in retrospect, he probably helped "liberate" her inner whore that she suppressed the whole time when I was still talking to her. Yes I know it's basically a remake of a song by another person and so on, but it was The Weeknd's voice in particular that made it feel like I got stabbed by a knife and that my nerves felt every inch of that cold blade in my flesh. Every "I don't wanna knowwww" felt like electrocution. It evoked the mental imagery of unfiltered hedonism, one-night stands one after another, and neon lights flickering against rain-slicked streets. This represented my Dionysian (chaos, passion, irrationality) dissolution phase, the comforting illusions I once had being stripped down, forcing me to embrace the true horror of the primal. Inb4 "I call this story a dramatized larppppp. You were not stabbed!!". No shit you fucking low-functioning autist. It's called an analogy.
The one particular Weeknd song that basically "finished" me off was "Often". When that song was playing in my playlist, it made me think of when that asian guy started making sexual remarks towards my oneitis (it felt like he was taunting me through that song), and straight-up admitted being "rock solid" for her in a League game, screenshotting himself saying that and sending it into the college server for everyone to see. It's as if my oneitis told him everything about me, and needed his help to make me suffer as deeply as possible for her own amusement. I could almost hear her giggling with her sweet voice while covering her mouth, crinkled crescent eyes, but with faux-innocent malice. I remember putting in all my willpower to stop myself from tearing up and trembling while I stared in disbelief at my screen. At that point, I couldn't take it anymore, and that was what prompted me to reach out to her in DMs for closure, almost begging for mercy. Every "Often, often, girl I do this often / Make that pussy poppin', do it how I want it" hook twisted the blade deeper, further imprinting the thought that it'd already be generous for me even to get sloppy seconds after she'd been reduced to a mere cumrag. But in reality, as The Weeknd said, "Bitches down to do it either way". He narrated my "L" in 4K. It was her choice to become a "cumrag". It was a brutal wakeup call that my oneitis had a vagina just like every other woman, and it was finally put to use.
To hype and give myself the strength to DM her for closure, I started listening to Eminem songs for that Apollonian balance. His songs "Love The Way You Lie" and "Not Afraid" stuck out to me the most then and basically acted as the soundtrack for the "final stand" and "end credits" with my oneitis. I had to learn to "like the way it hurts". Mind you, I don't consider myself a hip-hop fan, but his songs felt like the most relevant thing to me in that very moment. Inb4 "Y-you just listened to his songs just because he's white!!". Regardless of the outcome, I was just glad the suffering was finally over, and I developed newfound strength.
Through a Nietzschean lens, I experienced a Dionysian ignition where it demanded my total surrender to the unfiltered primal truths: joy, horror, and my virgin oneitis's inner whore. The Weeknd was my soundtrack to that whole process. Through Eminem's songs, it helped impose boundaries on the chaos, structure to my scars, transforming the pain into affirmations. It represented the Apollonian refinement.
The fusion of these two opposing forces (Dionysian and Apollonian) created tragedy, the highest form of art (hence "The Birth of Tragedy"). This "tragic joy" and catharsis allowed me to survive and even affirm all that I had to endure.
However, society's increasing obsession with STEM represents the gradual death of this art form. Although you could argue it all started way back to Socrates and his sheer emphasis on logic, rationality, and theoretical knowledge (Apollonian excess) over a delicate balance. The advent of Socratic thought, which sought to make everything intelligible, led to the suppression of the Dionysian spirit and its mythological, emotive worldview. This resulted in a culture that prioritized being analytical over the visceral, emotional experience that tragedy provided. Many STEMcels and jeets now see themselves as being too "advanced" and "noble" for sex. "B-but being analytical is ideal don't you see? Women love smart men!!". If that's so, you'd be drowning in more pussy than every thugmaxxed fuckboi. This Apollonian excess through the dickriding of STEM led to us losing touch with raw, unfiltered, primal truths of the human condition. I've already mentioned that it's a form of self-cuckoldry multiple times, but STEMcels and jeets especially ain't gonna listen. But hey, maybe some jeets here don't wanna get disowned by their fathers and get side-eyes from "aunties" on Diwali for ditching their engineering career to become a masseur or fitness instructor.
I've covered this dilemma previously in this thread:
Misplaced expectations on success and the illusion of control (MEGATHREAD)
Intro In my early days of high school, I used to obsess over my finger speed since I was a guitarcel, and used to play this giga aspie game called “Cookie Clicker”. Mainly because of some typical midwits on Youtube making sex jokes about how a guy with quick fingers meant “their gf is so...
looksmax.org
TL;DR: When I got cucked by that dark-triad sub-5 Asian guy on Discord, The Weeknd basically became the real-time narrator/bard of my humiliation. My "virgin" oneitis got "corrupted" in front of everyone while "Creepin'" and "Often" played in my headphones. Every lyric about getting cucked and making pussy "pop" felt like a personal knife twist as that Asian guy bragged about being "rock solid" for her on the server. The Weeknd's voice turned the whole ordeal into a neon-lit nightmare of one-night stands and primal betrayal. I was forced to watch my illusions shatter and accept that even my "pure" oneitis had a vagina that got wet like every other woman.
For the "final stand", I deliberately switched to Eminem for the strength to DM her for closure. The standout songs were "Love The Way You Lie" and "Not Afraid", and those provided me the rational scaffolding to turn pain into "tragic joy". It gave me catharsis and rebirth. Modern STEM/Socratic obsession killed this balance and instinct, breeding analytical copers that only cuck themselves.
Addressing the Madonna-Whore Complex with music
Nowadays, before I interact with a woman I'm interested in in person, I listen to a playlist of dirty sex songs beforehand (because chances are they're no longer a virgin). I consciously know these songs are hyperdegenerate, have very little artistic merit and are as subtle as a sledgehammer. They have absolutely no place in any civil, rational social context. But that's the whole point. While I'm listening to those songs, I even pull up pictures of her in innocuous contexts to the point where I start thinking that she is singing all those dirty lyrics. It makes me start quickly sexually fetishizing every part of her without hesitation, including any extension of them (suddenly even her phone case looks lickable and her purse looks fuckable). "Where can I fit my cock?" becomes the highest goal in mind rather than "I wonder if she's still a virgin". Pure goblinmaxxing, raw, primal spatial reasoning: angle, depth, surface, grip points, etc. Doing so prevents me from being fooled by any deceptive appearances she upholds. It's almost like being a gladiator having an ultra-personalized warm-up ritual (a surrender to the Dionysian) before having to enter the colosseum to tame the "beast" (a woman in this case). Once I've listened to the entire playlist, those lyrics still continue echoing in my mind, drowning out the inner monologue I usually have and allowing me to flirt with them much more effortlessly. I should also add that it's best to find earbuds/headphones with the powerful bass you can find to make it even more potent. It's to physically vibrate the sacculus, which has direct neural connections to the amygdala and the same pleasure centers that light up during sex and orgasm. It'll basically make you feel like you're making some cheeks quake. At least for me JFL.
I now kinda have to force myself to be a "degen pervert" that constantly thinks about sex when talking to a woman to avoid catching feelings for her. The worst mistake I could make here is to think I am above the act of sex and that I'm too "noble" for it. I'd rather be rejected for being too forward than for being too boring and genteel. It's like hypersexualisation is an anaesthesia to potential disappointment and unmet expectations. Even if a girl appears to be shy and innocent, I like to view her as a seductive sex nymph who often thinks about penis to prevent myself from idealizing her in a way she might not be able to live up to. In that way, I don’t end up lashing out and blaming her for failing to meet expectations she knew nothing about. This is a way of actively fighting the Madonna-Whore Complex, by temporarily pushing myself into a pseudo-psychopathic mental state, which I see as a necessary evil to protect my own heart. In this way, there is no such thing as "fallen angel", because I knew from the very beginning there was no "angel" in the first place. Inb4 "Cope you're still bitchless after allat". The point of all this is to minimize the tedium of interactions with women. Even if you don't get to clap cheeks, every casual line exchanged with them already feels like verbal fingering. That's already a far more productive use of your time than being stuck in an analytical state of mind and asking about her career aspirations. *yawn*. Boring.
I wrote about something similar in this thread:
looksmax.org
While I had a seemingly complete family upbringing (no absent father), I mostly grew up around women, hence creating an outcome not too dissimilar from someone raised by a single mother. Hence, pseudo-psychopathic traits are something that I occasionally adopt to get what I want out of life.
This also somewhat builds on my previous thread:
looksmax.org
TL;DR: Before interacting with a woman I'm interested in, I blast a playlist of filthy, bass-heavy sex songs while staring at her innocent photos. I superimpose the nastiest lyrics onto her image until every part of her essence feels fuckable. This floods my brain via the sacculus-amygdala pathway, killing virgin idealization and drowning out inner monologue. It temporarily rewires my mind to think "Which crevice should I put my cock into?", making flirting more effortless.
By assuming every shy innocent girl secretly craves dick, she was never an "angel" to begin with in my eyes. No pedestal, no disappointment, no bitter resentment. I'd rather be rejected for being too forward than for being too boring. Even if I don't smash, the interaction would've already felt like verbal foreplay, and I would've felt "fed" in some way.
I now kinda have to force myself to be a "degen pervert" that constantly thinks about sex when talking to a woman to avoid catching feelings for her. The worst mistake I could make here is to think I am above the act of sex and that I'm too "noble" for it. I'd rather be rejected for being too forward than for being too boring and genteel. It's like hypersexualisation is an anaesthesia to potential disappointment and unmet expectations. Even if a girl appears to be shy and innocent, I like to view her as a seductive sex nymph who often thinks about penis to prevent myself from idealizing her in a way she might not be able to live up to. In that way, I don’t end up lashing out and blaming her for failing to meet expectations she knew nothing about. This is a way of actively fighting the Madonna-Whore Complex, by temporarily pushing myself into a pseudo-psychopathic mental state, which I see as a necessary evil to protect my own heart. In this way, there is no such thing as "fallen angel", because I knew from the very beginning there was no "angel" in the first place. Inb4 "Cope you're still bitchless after allat". The point of all this is to minimize the tedium of interactions with women. Even if you don't get to clap cheeks, every casual line exchanged with them already feels like verbal fingering. That's already a far more productive use of your time than being stuck in an analytical state of mind and asking about her career aspirations. *yawn*. Boring.
I wrote about something similar in this thread:
It makes little sense to be a prude with virgin women because women are already degen perverts
Intro To my amusement, I saw some users here virtue signaling about not wanting to do anything degen in bed (stuff like assjobs, feet and armpit fucking) with a girl that happens to be a virgin. But even those who act holier-than-thou on cuckeddit deep down are “misogynists” and “homophobes”...
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While I had a seemingly complete family upbringing (no absent father), I mostly grew up around women, hence creating an outcome not too dissimilar from someone raised by a single mother. Hence, pseudo-psychopathic traits are something that I occasionally adopt to get what I want out of life.
This also somewhat builds on my previous thread:
“Emotional debt” is an insidious killer that most people fail to acknowledge
NOTE: Another "megathread". This thread gets increasingly existential so it’ll be even more of a slog to read than my previous threads. As for the rest, do my bidding and post “DNR” to bump my thread k thanks. "Emotional debt" For me, it was mostly ambiguity that contributed to my suffering...
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TL;DR: Before interacting with a woman I'm interested in, I blast a playlist of filthy, bass-heavy sex songs while staring at her innocent photos. I superimpose the nastiest lyrics onto her image until every part of her essence feels fuckable. This floods my brain via the sacculus-amygdala pathway, killing virgin idealization and drowning out inner monologue. It temporarily rewires my mind to think "Which crevice should I put my cock into?", making flirting more effortless.
By assuming every shy innocent girl secretly craves dick, she was never an "angel" to begin with in my eyes. No pedestal, no disappointment, no bitter resentment. I'd rather be rejected for being too forward than for being too boring. Even if I don't smash, the interaction would've already felt like verbal foreplay, and I would've felt "fed" in some way.
Formative music tastes
While my father has been rather emotionally absent (mostly trying to impose morality on me), I suppose his biggest "gift" to me was that he introduced me to rock n roll music and had a playlist of several hundred rock n roll songs from the 60s to 90s on a USB, which he played in his car for years.
If I had to choose one song that summed up the mood of that playlist, it would be "Free Bird" by Lynyrd Skynyrd, in particular the intro. Anyone who played GTA SA would also be familiar with that song. Too bad the meme involving the guitar solo kinda tainted the legacy of the song a bit for me.
Eventually, I got curious and sought out that type of music in my own time. You could say my formative/favorite music artists were The Beatles, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Aerosmith. I was somewhat of a "born in the wrong generation" type of kid and even purchased physical copies of CD albums despite being able to listen to them on the internet (this was already in the early-mid 2010s). In retrospect, it obviously wasn't worth it from a financial perspective. But it was more about trying to feel like I was living in a time when I wasn't even born yet.
Inb4 "degenerate white trash music taste. hip-hop mogs". Since I grew up listening to rock n roll and bands like The Beatles, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Aerosmith (basically music where melody is apparent), I admittedly struggle to enjoy rap, even with so-called "greats" of that genre like Kanye West who's been called the "black John Lennon" or "21st century John Lennon". You could say that's the JBF ("Just Be First") theory, but applied to music tastes where my mind becomes accustomed to seeking out melodies, harmony, counterpoint, dynamic buildups and dramatic vocal performances. At most, I would get hooked by the instrumentation and 808s in rap tracks, but not so much by the rapping itself, which I find quite monotonous. As such, I couldn't get hooked on someone like Kendrick Lamar, no matter how much I tried to make myself like his work. However, I do enjoy more gritty and intense rapping from the likes of Eminem over Kanye, with his greater usage of melodic inflection and cadence switches. All of that feels closer to rock's sense of drama. Not to mention Linkin Park was probably my entry point to appreciating rapping in the slightest with their hybrid approach. Although for some reason I love string instrumentations in hip-hop tracks, which Kanye incorporates nicely on tracks like "Gone" and "Robocop".
One benefit I admit about hip-hop is that it does help me concentrate better when I actually want to get shit done. If the song has a catchy melody (usually pop), I have a tendency to jump out of my seat and sing along to the chorus with my arms outstretched in the air, spinning around pretending I'm in a music video. Hence, it ain't the best for productivity JFL.
For a long time, I actually despised hip-hop artists as I saw them as plagiarizers of artists I enjoyed (sampling their melodies) and blamed them for contributing to the degeneration of society. Inb4 "b-but all music is potentially degenerate even your white trash bands!!". Nowadays, my view of hip-hop is a bit more complex. While I did write about hip-hop being hyperdegenerate in a previous thread, it's more of the normies with zero inner monologue who listen to them and try to embody a lifestyle and persona they cannot afford, like "monkey see, monkey do". Hence, they become a massive pain in the ass to anyone trying to mind their own business. While rock n roll artists also have degenerate themes, they're generally hidden under lyrics that are often much more tasteful. However, the sugar-sweet idealism (think songs like "Sweet Child O'Mine" by Guns N' Roses or "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" by Aerosmith) is a potential downside of rock n roll that leaves you ill-prepared to handle the messiness of human nature in 2025.
Personally, one thing I admit about listening to hip-hop is that it grounds me more in reality and stops me from daydreaming about unrealistic scenarios. You could even say their blunt commentary on women is also an "antidote" to the Madonna-Whore Complex. It reminds you that your virgin oneinitis is only "pure" because she hasn't fallen into a low-inhib thugmaxxed rapper yet. Otherwise, she'd be another "pussy" they enjoy along with Patrón. I'd be blasting those lyrics in my earbuds even if I'm seeing some trad-looking woman taking care of their grandma to remind myself that. Hell, she could even risk her life to save some random old man on the street, and I'd just turn up the volume to ground myself in reality even further. Hence nowadays, I'd rather listen to "bitches ain't shit" on repeat than Taylor Swift or Sabrina Carpenter any day. The latter's song "Tears" does far more damage to men in society by turning them into submissive soycucks and spikes my cortisol levels to the moon.
Admittedly, I did have a brief Lana Del Rey phase in my early college days (before I made this account). Of course, I told none of my friends about this as I'm generally quite private about my music tastes and also because her music is somewhat of a "forbidden fruit" for guys. I listened to her songs in quiet study areas and had to look both ways to make sure no one was going to walk past me. Being caught back then might as well have been like having your foot fetish exposed. Her song "Video Games" sometimes still creeps into my mind on a random lazy afternoon when I'm staring at the ceiling. "Heaven is a place on earth with you". For me, it almost symbolized the "calm before the storm" before COVID hit and getting fully blackpilled.
Listening to many different kinds of music kinda adds to a person's creative "database" in a way that helps them be creative in ways they might not expect, i.e: seeing connections between completely unrelated things. This helps stimulate multiple brain regions simultaneously, especially the amygdala for emotions and the prefrontal cortex for problem-solving. All this creates richer neural pathways that make it easier to bridge distant concepts. Perhaps that helped me generate metaphorical connections that carry over to non-musical tasks like writing or problem-solving.
TL;DR: My father's main legacy for me was a USB of 60s-90s rock n roll songs. It turned me into somewhat of a "born in the wrong generation" kid who bought physical copies of CDs just to feel like I was living in that era. Listening to rock n roll wired my brain to seek out melody and harmonies above all else. Hence, pure rap always ended up feeling flat and monotonous for me. Eminem and Linkin Park were exceptions that managed to scratch that itch.
I used to despise hip-hop for sampling classics of that era and "accelerating degeneracy". But the greater problem is the inherent "monkey see, monkey do" modus operandi of normies, larping lifestyles and behaviors they cannot afford. Ironically, blasting "bitches ain't shit" keeps me grounded in reality, keeping my Madonna-Whore delusions in check better than any sugar-coated rock ballad ever could. My brief Lana Del Rey phase might as well have represented the "calm before the storm" when I still doubted the blackpill.
If I had to choose one song that summed up the mood of that playlist, it would be "Free Bird" by Lynyrd Skynyrd, in particular the intro. Anyone who played GTA SA would also be familiar with that song. Too bad the meme involving the guitar solo kinda tainted the legacy of the song a bit for me.
Eventually, I got curious and sought out that type of music in my own time. You could say my formative/favorite music artists were The Beatles, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Aerosmith. I was somewhat of a "born in the wrong generation" type of kid and even purchased physical copies of CD albums despite being able to listen to them on the internet (this was already in the early-mid 2010s). In retrospect, it obviously wasn't worth it from a financial perspective. But it was more about trying to feel like I was living in a time when I wasn't even born yet.
Inb4 "degenerate white trash music taste. hip-hop mogs". Since I grew up listening to rock n roll and bands like The Beatles, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Aerosmith (basically music where melody is apparent), I admittedly struggle to enjoy rap, even with so-called "greats" of that genre like Kanye West who's been called the "black John Lennon" or "21st century John Lennon". You could say that's the JBF ("Just Be First") theory, but applied to music tastes where my mind becomes accustomed to seeking out melodies, harmony, counterpoint, dynamic buildups and dramatic vocal performances. At most, I would get hooked by the instrumentation and 808s in rap tracks, but not so much by the rapping itself, which I find quite monotonous. As such, I couldn't get hooked on someone like Kendrick Lamar, no matter how much I tried to make myself like his work. However, I do enjoy more gritty and intense rapping from the likes of Eminem over Kanye, with his greater usage of melodic inflection and cadence switches. All of that feels closer to rock's sense of drama. Not to mention Linkin Park was probably my entry point to appreciating rapping in the slightest with their hybrid approach. Although for some reason I love string instrumentations in hip-hop tracks, which Kanye incorporates nicely on tracks like "Gone" and "Robocop".
One benefit I admit about hip-hop is that it does help me concentrate better when I actually want to get shit done. If the song has a catchy melody (usually pop), I have a tendency to jump out of my seat and sing along to the chorus with my arms outstretched in the air, spinning around pretending I'm in a music video. Hence, it ain't the best for productivity JFL.
For a long time, I actually despised hip-hop artists as I saw them as plagiarizers of artists I enjoyed (sampling their melodies) and blamed them for contributing to the degeneration of society. Inb4 "b-but all music is potentially degenerate even your white trash bands!!". Nowadays, my view of hip-hop is a bit more complex. While I did write about hip-hop being hyperdegenerate in a previous thread, it's more of the normies with zero inner monologue who listen to them and try to embody a lifestyle and persona they cannot afford, like "monkey see, monkey do". Hence, they become a massive pain in the ass to anyone trying to mind their own business. While rock n roll artists also have degenerate themes, they're generally hidden under lyrics that are often much more tasteful. However, the sugar-sweet idealism (think songs like "Sweet Child O'Mine" by Guns N' Roses or "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing" by Aerosmith) is a potential downside of rock n roll that leaves you ill-prepared to handle the messiness of human nature in 2025.
Personally, one thing I admit about listening to hip-hop is that it grounds me more in reality and stops me from daydreaming about unrealistic scenarios. You could even say their blunt commentary on women is also an "antidote" to the Madonna-Whore Complex. It reminds you that your virgin oneinitis is only "pure" because she hasn't fallen into a low-inhib thugmaxxed rapper yet. Otherwise, she'd be another "pussy" they enjoy along with Patrón. I'd be blasting those lyrics in my earbuds even if I'm seeing some trad-looking woman taking care of their grandma to remind myself that. Hell, she could even risk her life to save some random old man on the street, and I'd just turn up the volume to ground myself in reality even further. Hence nowadays, I'd rather listen to "bitches ain't shit" on repeat than Taylor Swift or Sabrina Carpenter any day. The latter's song "Tears" does far more damage to men in society by turning them into submissive soycucks and spikes my cortisol levels to the moon.
Admittedly, I did have a brief Lana Del Rey phase in my early college days (before I made this account). Of course, I told none of my friends about this as I'm generally quite private about my music tastes and also because her music is somewhat of a "forbidden fruit" for guys. I listened to her songs in quiet study areas and had to look both ways to make sure no one was going to walk past me. Being caught back then might as well have been like having your foot fetish exposed. Her song "Video Games" sometimes still creeps into my mind on a random lazy afternoon when I'm staring at the ceiling. "Heaven is a place on earth with you". For me, it almost symbolized the "calm before the storm" before COVID hit and getting fully blackpilled.
Listening to many different kinds of music kinda adds to a person's creative "database" in a way that helps them be creative in ways they might not expect, i.e: seeing connections between completely unrelated things. This helps stimulate multiple brain regions simultaneously, especially the amygdala for emotions and the prefrontal cortex for problem-solving. All this creates richer neural pathways that make it easier to bridge distant concepts. Perhaps that helped me generate metaphorical connections that carry over to non-musical tasks like writing or problem-solving.
TL;DR: My father's main legacy for me was a USB of 60s-90s rock n roll songs. It turned me into somewhat of a "born in the wrong generation" kid who bought physical copies of CDs just to feel like I was living in that era. Listening to rock n roll wired my brain to seek out melody and harmonies above all else. Hence, pure rap always ended up feeling flat and monotonous for me. Eminem and Linkin Park were exceptions that managed to scratch that itch.
I used to despise hip-hop for sampling classics of that era and "accelerating degeneracy". But the greater problem is the inherent "monkey see, monkey do" modus operandi of normies, larping lifestyles and behaviors they cannot afford. Ironically, blasting "bitches ain't shit" keeps me grounded in reality, keeping my Madonna-Whore delusions in check better than any sugar-coated rock ballad ever could. My brief Lana Del Rey phase might as well have represented the "calm before the storm" when I still doubted the blackpill.
Has music degenerated?
In this day and age of hip-hop hegemony, rock n roll is now basically "old news". Anyone who can actually play a musical instrument or sing has become somewhat of a "niche". There's something paradoxical about the fact that singing without autotune or playing an acoustic musical instrument like the piano gets you so many "aura points" in spontaneous social situations. Yet it isn't exactly a mainstream thing in the music industry. During my high school years, I was an instrumentalcel who basically listened to mostly guitar solos, being inspired and motivated by the past greats like Prince (who played guitar, bass, drums, piano, and produced all his own work). I remember guys in my class going wild over me playing the basic piano riff of the song "Clocks" by Coldplay. Mind you, I couldn't even play with both hands back then. That gave me false hope, and I thought that it was something that would still have social currency for many years to come. But it took me too long to realize that I was preparing myself for a world that no longer existed. In 2025, I might as well be a lottery winner to be able to work as a session musician for a hip-hop/R&B artist.
Nowadays, many of the Grammy nominees are heavily autotuned and manufactured. K-pop stans in particular would fervently deny that their "idols" have plastic surgery, let alone acknowledge that their "idol" is also heavily edited and processed. Inb4 "if you don't like it, don't listen". The fallacy here is that it implies you can only listen to a music artist if you are prepared to blindly worship them. But in reality, to even form an opinion on a music artist in the first place, you have to listen to them first, even if your expectations are on the floor.
Also throwback to the BTS Meal back in 2021:
When I listen to my gut feeling, there seems to have been a radical shift in the music industry and creativity as a whole after the time of Michael Jackson's death. This included hip-hop becoming the most popular genre, K-pop taking over the world and autotune becoming a staple. I've never been a big fan of Jackson, but I can't deny that his influence has always been felt in the background, even for non-music lovers. Nowadays, The Weeknd (my first impression of him was "Michael Jackson from Temu" or "dark Michael Jackson") dominates the charts. For me, as someone who grew up when Michael Jackson was still alive, it's as if I watched the colors of the world slowly fade in real time. Inb4 "MJ would've touched your pp". That's besides the point. Everything around the world started to lose its color and become more minimalistic thanks to late-stage capitalism. For guys who grew up in the 2000s, the McDonald's that you remembered being so vibrant and full of character are now the same minimalistic designs in seemingly every corner of the world.
Affordability/cost of entrance in music making
Now I understand there's also the affordability/cost of entrance when it comes to making music. Making rap/hip-hop is undoubtedly cheaper than making rock music, let alone becoming a classical musician. All one needs is a laptop (hell even a smartphone is enough), create a basic beat with DAW, incorporate a sample from an existing song, and then focus on the lyrics and rap vocals (which is probably most of the vision let's be real). And then boom, you're done. For a rock musician, before even recording each instrumental track, you actually have to put in the hours (for years) to become proficient at it. Don't even get me started with becoming a concert pianist. Unless you're born into an upper-class family (so that you can actually afford a piano and environment that suits your needs), have a very solid internal superstructure (having tons of support from a huge network so that your social and spiritual needs are met), and have innate talent (being able to effortlessly play all Chopin and Liszt piano etudes as a bare minimum), don't even bother because you're just going to become resentful (especially when you walk into a wealthy person's home with a grand piano and they can't even find middle C) and end up on forums like this.
The "meta" singing voice
Even learning to sing in tune requires far more investment and natural physiological gifts. If you're just the average guy, just try singing a high C (C5) in modal voice (the same vocal register you use when speaking). Most men aren't going to even produce a note that high without flipping into falsetto register (basically the vocal register you use when trying to mimic Mickey Mouse). If it isn't already obvious enough, the music industry favors tenors (lyrical tenors in particular) such as The Weeknd, Bruno Mars, Michael Jackson and any prettyboy voice you hear on TikTok. It's because high tenor voices effortlessly soar above dense music production without needing extra EQ adjustments to not sound muddy. So if you're something like a baritone or bass, your ceiling is already compromised in the music industry, and you're more or less a "voicecel" as a singer. That's why some baritones just go down the hip-hop/country route (Post Malone) or give up altogether. Inb4 "just lower the key of the song you're singing bro!!" But that kills the thrill and makes it sound like I'm singing a cheap parody.
It ain't the 1950s anymore where Elvis Presley or Frank Sinatra were seen as sex symbols. There's a reason they call it the "baritone curse" because even though you can still train to hit high notes, it won't be as effortless as Bruno Mars for example. Even low tenors like Chester Bennington would struggle to make a breakthrough if he didn't leave a legacy with Linkin Park in the early 2000s (now his "successor" is a mezzo-soprano). Instead, you'll have to be growling/screaming as I do at karaoke alone. If you go on r/singing on cuckeddit, it's just tenors gaslighting baritones and telling them "just keep improving your technique, and you'll eventually sound like a soprano bro!!". Unless you underwent surgical castration before puberty, no grown ass man is sounding like a soprano. I swear to god, some users with high-pitched voices here to me are basically sitting on a winning lottery ticket, provided they're not completely tone deaf. The cold reality is that a mediocre high tenor mogs a baritone with great pitch and timbre in most cases if you're looking for quick success.
Although if you're a bass/low baritone (and can still sound resonant in the 1st/lower 2nd octave), you could still make it a side-hustle/hobby by going the schrodingerLee route and speak in the lowest register possible to flirt with girls in Valorant lobbies. The irony is you could pull it off whilst being a silver player with a 0.7 K/D ratio at best JFL. It's all about choosing the path of least resistance. Very few people are intrinsically motivated by art itself (art as a lifefuel), hence the increased soullessness in today's society. It reminds me of the jeet morality concept I read recently called "izzat". This basically applies to every industry in existence today. It's not about who's right or wrong, but who "wins", no matter what it takes. Winning is "righteous". Losing is "unrighteous". It explains much of the behaviour of users here too. Short-term gains over everything else.
Kiwi Farms post on "izzat" that blew up:
Knowing that I'll only expose myself by playing/singing songs with blackpilled lyrics, I basically arrange a list of "normie" songs that express my feelings the best (like speaking in code language), hoping that normies can relate to me in some way (Spoiler alert: they usually don't). But it at least provides me with a form of catharsis. No need for long-winded deep convos that no normie wants to have.
So was learning to play musical instruments (and singing) a complete waste of my time? If I were purely chasing clout maybe. But in general, apparently learning to play musical instruments improves memory, focus, decision-making, planning, neural connections and growth of the corpus callosum (allowing for enhanced communication between the left and right sides of the brain). Not to mention, it helps with age-related decline and reduced risk of dementia. That alone would keep me motivated to keep on playing musical instruments (although the increased brain activity probably exacerbated my already noisy inner monologue). Even though my motivation to learn musical instruments wasn't an intrinsic passion towards the instruments themselves, music is something I'm naturally passionate about (maybe as much as virgin pussy). Hence, it's one of my many emotional outlets. In a way, it made me a more self-sufficient person who would feel ashamed and embarrassed for asking others for help. If it weren't for the existence of music, I probably wouldn't still be here today.
TL;DR: Music has seemingly degenerated into low-skill, high-reward slop. Anything that came after Michael Jackson's death slowly killed the era where actual instrumental mastery or raw vocal talent mattered. Playing real instruments or singing without pitch correction basically became a niche party trick that gives insane aura in person, yet little mainstream traction. Even if the music industry wanted singers, they favor high tenors while baritone/bass singers are cucked.
What matters the most now is whatever's cheapest to produce and easiest to consume. Late-stage capitalism and "izzat" morality turned art into soulless short-term clout chasing. I may have wasted years learning to play musical instruments for a world that no longer existed. Yet the cognitive benefits and emotional outlet remained. While it didn't make me famous, it kept me sane and self-sufficient.
Nowadays, many of the Grammy nominees are heavily autotuned and manufactured. K-pop stans in particular would fervently deny that their "idols" have plastic surgery, let alone acknowledge that their "idol" is also heavily edited and processed. Inb4 "if you don't like it, don't listen". The fallacy here is that it implies you can only listen to a music artist if you are prepared to blindly worship them. But in reality, to even form an opinion on a music artist in the first place, you have to listen to them first, even if your expectations are on the floor.
Also throwback to the BTS Meal back in 2021:
When I listen to my gut feeling, there seems to have been a radical shift in the music industry and creativity as a whole after the time of Michael Jackson's death. This included hip-hop becoming the most popular genre, K-pop taking over the world and autotune becoming a staple. I've never been a big fan of Jackson, but I can't deny that his influence has always been felt in the background, even for non-music lovers. Nowadays, The Weeknd (my first impression of him was "Michael Jackson from Temu" or "dark Michael Jackson") dominates the charts. For me, as someone who grew up when Michael Jackson was still alive, it's as if I watched the colors of the world slowly fade in real time. Inb4 "MJ would've touched your pp". That's besides the point. Everything around the world started to lose its color and become more minimalistic thanks to late-stage capitalism. For guys who grew up in the 2000s, the McDonald's that you remembered being so vibrant and full of character are now the same minimalistic designs in seemingly every corner of the world.
Affordability/cost of entrance in music making
Now I understand there's also the affordability/cost of entrance when it comes to making music. Making rap/hip-hop is undoubtedly cheaper than making rock music, let alone becoming a classical musician. All one needs is a laptop (hell even a smartphone is enough), create a basic beat with DAW, incorporate a sample from an existing song, and then focus on the lyrics and rap vocals (which is probably most of the vision let's be real). And then boom, you're done. For a rock musician, before even recording each instrumental track, you actually have to put in the hours (for years) to become proficient at it. Don't even get me started with becoming a concert pianist. Unless you're born into an upper-class family (so that you can actually afford a piano and environment that suits your needs), have a very solid internal superstructure (having tons of support from a huge network so that your social and spiritual needs are met), and have innate talent (being able to effortlessly play all Chopin and Liszt piano etudes as a bare minimum), don't even bother because you're just going to become resentful (especially when you walk into a wealthy person's home with a grand piano and they can't even find middle C) and end up on forums like this.
The "meta" singing voice
Even learning to sing in tune requires far more investment and natural physiological gifts. If you're just the average guy, just try singing a high C (C5) in modal voice (the same vocal register you use when speaking). Most men aren't going to even produce a note that high without flipping into falsetto register (basically the vocal register you use when trying to mimic Mickey Mouse). If it isn't already obvious enough, the music industry favors tenors (lyrical tenors in particular) such as The Weeknd, Bruno Mars, Michael Jackson and any prettyboy voice you hear on TikTok. It's because high tenor voices effortlessly soar above dense music production without needing extra EQ adjustments to not sound muddy. So if you're something like a baritone or bass, your ceiling is already compromised in the music industry, and you're more or less a "voicecel" as a singer. That's why some baritones just go down the hip-hop/country route (Post Malone) or give up altogether. Inb4 "just lower the key of the song you're singing bro!!" But that kills the thrill and makes it sound like I'm singing a cheap parody.
It ain't the 1950s anymore where Elvis Presley or Frank Sinatra were seen as sex symbols. There's a reason they call it the "baritone curse" because even though you can still train to hit high notes, it won't be as effortless as Bruno Mars for example. Even low tenors like Chester Bennington would struggle to make a breakthrough if he didn't leave a legacy with Linkin Park in the early 2000s (now his "successor" is a mezzo-soprano). Instead, you'll have to be growling/screaming as I do at karaoke alone. If you go on r/singing on cuckeddit, it's just tenors gaslighting baritones and telling them "just keep improving your technique, and you'll eventually sound like a soprano bro!!". Unless you underwent surgical castration before puberty, no grown ass man is sounding like a soprano. I swear to god, some users with high-pitched voices here to me are basically sitting on a winning lottery ticket, provided they're not completely tone deaf. The cold reality is that a mediocre high tenor mogs a baritone with great pitch and timbre in most cases if you're looking for quick success.
Mini-lecture on singing voice types
I got bored and wanted to see if I could simplify concepts completely foreign to a community like this one. I imagined as if I were teaching at a kindergarten.
If you're looking to deepen your voice to sound like "gigachad", you're at the wrong place. I added this extra mini-thread since I don't think it's worth making a standalone thread for this topic, given the lack of demand here (guys only caring about making their voice as inhumanely deep as possible). This is more of a music appreciation mini-thread for the extreme minority here who might have a passing interest in voice types and singing. Also, because I want to rant about having the "baritone curse" JFL. This will be heavily simplified, so don't expect encyclopedic info here. I was also thinking of making a guitar/piano appreciation thread, but I think it's best not to get ahead of myself on an incel forum. And yes, I know there are likely some "mistakes", but this is an incel site. What are the chances I'll bump into someone here that is professionally trained lmao.
Musical notation
If you saw me mentioning stuff like "C5" or "E2", they're basically musical notation, "C5" being the C note in the 5th octave and "E2" being the E note in the 2nd octave. High C refers to C5, and middle C refers to C4. That's all there is to it.
I did read some users talking about frequencies too, but they're about deepening your normal speaking voice (under 100 Hz often being seen as ideal, which corresponds to around a G2 note). But I actually don't bother with that and wish my voice were higher-pitched so that I could sing high notes more effortlessly and strain-free. There's always a tradeoff.
Vocal registers
The vocal registers most commonly used in singing are modal, falsetto and head. There's also more, but they're more gimmicky so I'll skip them to avoid confusion.
Modal voice: This involves the optimal combination of airflow and glottal tension for maximum vibration (your natural speaking voice, where it sounds the most resonant). The vocal cords are fully closed when this happens. Some people also just refer to this as "chest voice", where your vocal folds vibrate to the point where resonance and vibration travel downwards, and you feel it in your chest (not because the sound is being produced from the chest).
Falsetto voice: You likely flip into this vocal register without consciously knowing how to when you try to mimic Mickey Mouse, girls or gay people. This type of sound is produced by the vibration of the ligamentous edges of the vocal cords. The vocal cords are not closed, hence creating an airy, disconnected sound. People who don't sing would subconsciously flip into this register to hit notes they won't be able to hit in modal voice. Even trained singers will sometimes have to switch to falsetto on high notes when their voice is fatigued or unwell.
Head voice: This is often confused with falsetto voice, as both involve a light sound being produced. The main difference is the vocal cord closure. While falsetto is produced with incomplete vocal cord closure, head voice involves full (or near-full) vocal cord closure, creating a light yet resonant and powerful tone. The vibrations and resonance sensations move upward, where you can feel them in your head (especially the face, forehead, behind the eyes, "mask" area).
You may also hear people talking about "mixed voice", which is basically blending the mechanisms and sound qualities of the modal and head voice registers. Mixed voice is not a vocal register but more of a technique. In my context, I use mixed voice to hit notes I wouldn't be able to in modal register (baritone curse fml). Basically, it will still have the resonance of modal voice yet without being full-on Mickey Mouse.
Voice types
Contrary to popular belief, it's not the highest/lowest notes you can produce that dictate your voice type, but your tessitura. "B-but wtf does that even mean?". Tessitura is basically where you sound the most comfortable and resonant. It's the range where you can sing both loudly and softly for hours on end (basically your "home base"). This is usually around a two octave range (approximately not exactly). So just because you can screech higher notes than The Weeknd, that doesn't make you a counter-tenor or mezzo, etc. Your comfort zone still stays the same.
So why exactly do different voice types exist? Basically, it's physiological differences in our vocal cords. Women in general have shorter and thinner vocal folds to begin, hence they're able to produce higher-pitched sounds with far less effort. Men are generally baritones and women are generally sopranos. Unfortunately, normies often don't understand this and usually think a naturally higher-pitched voice equals a more naturally talented singer. Following that logic, all guys before puberty and even a toddler (since they'll be natural sopranos) are more naturally gifted singers than any grown man.
The female voice types from lowest to highest are alto, mezzo-soprano and soprano. For men, they go from bass, baritone and tenor. Here is a chart of all voice types and their respective tessituras:
Total vocal range of famous singers (doesn't show their tessitura):
Since people tend to seek elusivity more than ever, for male singers, there is a demand for high-pitched singing voices. However, women don't suffer this "tax" as much as even the low-pitched female singers can hit notes that most men can only dream of. It's even a plus for women to sound deep to have that mommy "ara ara" voice to seduce a man. I suppose there's also this idealization of wanting the man singing high to "meet" the woman.
Although too many obsess over how wide their vocal range is, and forget about musicality and sounding pleasant. Many people under the comments section of YouTube singing videos claim to have a four-octave vocal range. This isn't too dissimilar to how countless users here claim to be 6'2+ at 15 and can bench press 300+ pounds for reps. It's like everyone there is a supersoldier in the making. I think what truly matters the most is being able to sing in a way that resonates with the audience emotionally. Of course, it doesn't stop me from being insecure about not being able to sing a C5 without strain and struggling to keep up with girls in karaoke who are able to squeal an F6 like it's nothing.
Examples of singers for each voice type that first come to my head:
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Soprano: Ariana Grande, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson
Vocal examples:
Mezzo-soprano: Adele, Beyoncé, Sia, Lana Del Rey, Whitney Houston (maybe)
Vocal examples:
Alto: Cher, Annie Lennox
Vocal examples:
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Tenor: Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Steve Perry, The Weeknd, Bruno Mars
Vocal examples:
Baritone: Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Frank Ocean, Hozier
Vocal examples:
Bass: Barry White (debatable probably a bass extension), Johnny Cash (idk anymore), Takaya Kuroda (The guy that sang the Japanese meme song "Baka Mitai" might be the only guy I can think of who comes the closest)
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I got bored and wanted to see if I could simplify concepts completely foreign to a community like this one. I imagined as if I were teaching at a kindergarten.
If you're looking to deepen your voice to sound like "gigachad", you're at the wrong place. I added this extra mini-thread since I don't think it's worth making a standalone thread for this topic, given the lack of demand here (guys only caring about making their voice as inhumanely deep as possible). This is more of a music appreciation mini-thread for the extreme minority here who might have a passing interest in voice types and singing. Also, because I want to rant about having the "baritone curse" JFL. This will be heavily simplified, so don't expect encyclopedic info here. I was also thinking of making a guitar/piano appreciation thread, but I think it's best not to get ahead of myself on an incel forum. And yes, I know there are likely some "mistakes", but this is an incel site. What are the chances I'll bump into someone here that is professionally trained lmao.
Musical notation
If you saw me mentioning stuff like "C5" or "E2", they're basically musical notation, "C5" being the C note in the 5th octave and "E2" being the E note in the 2nd octave. High C refers to C5, and middle C refers to C4. That's all there is to it.
I did read some users talking about frequencies too, but they're about deepening your normal speaking voice (under 100 Hz often being seen as ideal, which corresponds to around a G2 note). But I actually don't bother with that and wish my voice were higher-pitched so that I could sing high notes more effortlessly and strain-free. There's always a tradeoff.
Vocal registers
The vocal registers most commonly used in singing are modal, falsetto and head. There's also more, but they're more gimmicky so I'll skip them to avoid confusion.
Modal voice: This involves the optimal combination of airflow and glottal tension for maximum vibration (your natural speaking voice, where it sounds the most resonant). The vocal cords are fully closed when this happens. Some people also just refer to this as "chest voice", where your vocal folds vibrate to the point where resonance and vibration travel downwards, and you feel it in your chest (not because the sound is being produced from the chest).
Falsetto voice: You likely flip into this vocal register without consciously knowing how to when you try to mimic Mickey Mouse, girls or gay people. This type of sound is produced by the vibration of the ligamentous edges of the vocal cords. The vocal cords are not closed, hence creating an airy, disconnected sound. People who don't sing would subconsciously flip into this register to hit notes they won't be able to hit in modal voice. Even trained singers will sometimes have to switch to falsetto on high notes when their voice is fatigued or unwell.
Head voice: This is often confused with falsetto voice, as both involve a light sound being produced. The main difference is the vocal cord closure. While falsetto is produced with incomplete vocal cord closure, head voice involves full (or near-full) vocal cord closure, creating a light yet resonant and powerful tone. The vibrations and resonance sensations move upward, where you can feel them in your head (especially the face, forehead, behind the eyes, "mask" area).
You may also hear people talking about "mixed voice", which is basically blending the mechanisms and sound qualities of the modal and head voice registers. Mixed voice is not a vocal register but more of a technique. In my context, I use mixed voice to hit notes I wouldn't be able to in modal register (baritone curse fml). Basically, it will still have the resonance of modal voice yet without being full-on Mickey Mouse.
Voice types
Contrary to popular belief, it's not the highest/lowest notes you can produce that dictate your voice type, but your tessitura. "B-but wtf does that even mean?". Tessitura is basically where you sound the most comfortable and resonant. It's the range where you can sing both loudly and softly for hours on end (basically your "home base"). This is usually around a two octave range (approximately not exactly). So just because you can screech higher notes than The Weeknd, that doesn't make you a counter-tenor or mezzo, etc. Your comfort zone still stays the same.
So why exactly do different voice types exist? Basically, it's physiological differences in our vocal cords. Women in general have shorter and thinner vocal folds to begin, hence they're able to produce higher-pitched sounds with far less effort. Men are generally baritones and women are generally sopranos. Unfortunately, normies often don't understand this and usually think a naturally higher-pitched voice equals a more naturally talented singer. Following that logic, all guys before puberty and even a toddler (since they'll be natural sopranos) are more naturally gifted singers than any grown man.
The female voice types from lowest to highest are alto, mezzo-soprano and soprano. For men, they go from bass, baritone and tenor. Here is a chart of all voice types and their respective tessituras:
Total vocal range of famous singers (doesn't show their tessitura):
Since people tend to seek elusivity more than ever, for male singers, there is a demand for high-pitched singing voices. However, women don't suffer this "tax" as much as even the low-pitched female singers can hit notes that most men can only dream of. It's even a plus for women to sound deep to have that mommy "ara ara" voice to seduce a man. I suppose there's also this idealization of wanting the man singing high to "meet" the woman.
Although too many obsess over how wide their vocal range is, and forget about musicality and sounding pleasant. Many people under the comments section of YouTube singing videos claim to have a four-octave vocal range. This isn't too dissimilar to how countless users here claim to be 6'2+ at 15 and can bench press 300+ pounds for reps. It's like everyone there is a supersoldier in the making. I think what truly matters the most is being able to sing in a way that resonates with the audience emotionally. Of course, it doesn't stop me from being insecure about not being able to sing a C5 without strain and struggling to keep up with girls in karaoke who are able to squeal an F6 like it's nothing.
Examples of singers for each voice type that first come to my head:
(Some thumbnails stopped working here for some reason but links still work)
Soprano: Ariana Grande, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Kelly Clarkson
Vocal examples:
Mezzo-soprano: Adele, Beyoncé, Sia, Lana Del Rey, Whitney Houston (maybe)
Vocal examples:
Alto: Cher, Annie Lennox
Vocal examples:
You Haven't Seen the Last of Me (Burlesque Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
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Tenor: Michael Jackson, Freddie Mercury, Steve Perry, The Weeknd, Bruno Mars
Vocal examples:
(Michael Jackson - Dirty Diana)
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(Freddie Mercury - The Show Must Go On)
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(Steve Perry - Separate Ways (Worlds apart))
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The Show Must Go On (Remastered 2011)
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Baritone: Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, Frank Ocean, Hozier
Vocal examples:
(Frank Sinatra - My Way)
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(Elvis Presley - Unchained Melody)
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(Hozier - Take Me To Church)
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Bekijk je favoriete video's, luister naar de muziek die je leuk vindt, upload originele content en deel alles met vrienden, familie en anderen op YouTube.
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Bekijk je favoriete video's, luister naar de muziek die je leuk vindt, upload originele content en deel alles met vrienden, familie en anderen op YouTube.
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Bekijk je favoriete video's, luister naar de muziek die je leuk vindt, upload originele content en deel alles met vrienden, familie en anderen op YouTube.
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Bass: Barry White (debatable probably a bass extension), Johnny Cash (idk anymore), Takaya Kuroda (The guy that sang the Japanese meme song "Baka Mitai" might be the only guy I can think of who comes the closest)
Vocal examples:
(Barry White - Just The Way You Are)
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(Takaya Kuroda - Baka Mitai)
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Bekijk je favoriete video's, luister naar de muziek die je leuk vindt, upload originele content en deel alles met vrienden, familie en anderen op YouTube.
www.youtube.com
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Bekijk je favoriete video's, luister naar de muziek die je leuk vindt, upload originele content en deel alles met vrienden, familie en anderen op YouTube.
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Although if you're a bass/low baritone (and can still sound resonant in the 1st/lower 2nd octave), you could still make it a side-hustle/hobby by going the schrodingerLee route and speak in the lowest register possible to flirt with girls in Valorant lobbies. The irony is you could pull it off whilst being a silver player with a 0.7 K/D ratio at best JFL. It's all about choosing the path of least resistance. Very few people are intrinsically motivated by art itself (art as a lifefuel), hence the increased soullessness in today's society. It reminds me of the jeet morality concept I read recently called "izzat". This basically applies to every industry in existence today. It's not about who's right or wrong, but who "wins", no matter what it takes. Winning is "righteous". Losing is "unrighteous". It explains much of the behaviour of users here too. Short-term gains over everything else.
Kiwi Farms post on "izzat" that blew up:
Knowing that I'll only expose myself by playing/singing songs with blackpilled lyrics, I basically arrange a list of "normie" songs that express my feelings the best (like speaking in code language), hoping that normies can relate to me in some way (Spoiler alert: they usually don't). But it at least provides me with a form of catharsis. No need for long-winded deep convos that no normie wants to have.
So was learning to play musical instruments (and singing) a complete waste of my time? If I were purely chasing clout maybe. But in general, apparently learning to play musical instruments improves memory, focus, decision-making, planning, neural connections and growth of the corpus callosum (allowing for enhanced communication between the left and right sides of the brain). Not to mention, it helps with age-related decline and reduced risk of dementia. That alone would keep me motivated to keep on playing musical instruments (although the increased brain activity probably exacerbated my already noisy inner monologue). Even though my motivation to learn musical instruments wasn't an intrinsic passion towards the instruments themselves, music is something I'm naturally passionate about (maybe as much as virgin pussy). Hence, it's one of my many emotional outlets. In a way, it made me a more self-sufficient person who would feel ashamed and embarrassed for asking others for help. If it weren't for the existence of music, I probably wouldn't still be here today.
TL;DR: Music has seemingly degenerated into low-skill, high-reward slop. Anything that came after Michael Jackson's death slowly killed the era where actual instrumental mastery or raw vocal talent mattered. Playing real instruments or singing without pitch correction basically became a niche party trick that gives insane aura in person, yet little mainstream traction. Even if the music industry wanted singers, they favor high tenors while baritone/bass singers are cucked.
What matters the most now is whatever's cheapest to produce and easiest to consume. Late-stage capitalism and "izzat" morality turned art into soulless short-term clout chasing. I may have wasted years learning to play musical instruments for a world that no longer existed. Yet the cognitive benefits and emotional outlet remained. While it didn't make me famous, it kept me sane and self-sufficient.
What it means to be an "artist"
I know this whole thread already screams "ramblings of a failed artist". But my take is art that is unapologetically "you" is not something that you can hustle or work harder at like you do at your job or moneymaking. You can't work harder or force yourself to become the next John Lennon or Kurt Cobain. This reminds me of the line said by the guy repairing Woody's arm in Toy Story 2, "You can't rush art". Assuming you already have the minimum technical ability to execute your ideas, the ideas and concepts either come to you or they don't. If it doesn't naturally come to me, then I think it was never meant to be, and that's fine. In a way, Mother Nature is the true artist. We are merely the messengers.
For me, this not only applies to art or music, but also writing threads here, even though I know it's just an incel site JFL. Most of my threads are actually written when I'm away from my computer. What I mean by this is that the ideas and concepts come to my mind naturally when I'm preoccupied with usual activities in my daily life. If I were to try generating ideas and concepts while being in front of the computer the whole time, I'd struggle to even get one high-effort thread completed.
Hot take, but trying to write memorable original melodies like The Beatles is far more difficult than writing hip-hop songs since there's no real way to hide a mediocre or bad melody. It's going to stick out like a sore thumb. Whereas for hip-hop, the maximalist approach can really hide a lot of inadequacies, and not to mention the melody isn't even an emphasis here. If you were to ask me to write something that rivals "Hey Jude" by The Beatles or "Imagine" by John Lennon in two weeks or else I die, I'd shit my pants because I know a single note cannot be wasted or misplaced. Even Paul McCartney hasn't written anything on par with what he created between 1963 and 1970 in the past 50 years. I'd rather try to mimic an entire Kanye West album than try to write a song iconic enough that it could be sung at schools and nurseries worldwide. If you were to give a $100 million budget to direct a film and point a gun towards my head, telling me to mimic either Spielberg or Tarantino or die, I think I'd have a better shot at mimicking Tarantino's style.
Spielberg tends to let things "simmer" with a highly streamlined storytelling style that prioritizes clarity and seamless pacing which makes it digestible for a much wider audience. I see him as the Beatles equivalent for movie directors, in which they both share tasteful restraint in their art. It's like being handed a blank canvas, and you're only allowed to make three brush strokes to make a timeless statement that will echo for generations. Tarantino, on the other hand, gives you hundreds of toys to play with through his maximalist directing style, endless cultural references and visceral engagement. In my previous thread, I talked about how some people's lives start from simplicity, move into complexity and return to simplicity once more. I'm at that stage where I am desperately trying to streamline how I express myself. Hence, I find Spielberg's style far more intimidating to replicate than Tarantino's. That's why I'm starting to see my own threads as mere "building blocks" rather than finished products, no matter how many words. I'm still trying to figure out how to "prune" my own mind.
Maybe it's just me here, but I've been fascinated with the "27 Club" (musicians and celebrities who died at 27) for a long time. Occasionally, I count down how many years, months and days before I turn 27. That creates a sense of urgency in me to not waste time doing things that don't align with my core values. Life then becomes like an avant-garde art project. In that way, I express what I mean and mean what I express. Even if I never pull off anything exceptional in life, I imagine one year being like a single brush stroke, and I make sure it counts.
TL;DR: True art cannot be forced or hustled. It either flows naturally out of you or it doesn't. You can't grind or hustle your way into becoming the next John Lennon or Kurt Cobain. The best ideas seemingly come to you when you are simply living life rather than hyperfocusing. Creating art with the least amount of brushstrokes is far more difficult than painting until something sticks. When something is minimalistic, one misplaced element sticks out and makes everything fall apart. I treat my life like an avant-garde project with a sense of "27 Club" urgency. In that way, I express what I mean and mean what I express. Even if I never pull off anything exceptional in life, I imagine one year being like a single brush stroke, and I make sure it counts.
For me, this not only applies to art or music, but also writing threads here, even though I know it's just an incel site JFL. Most of my threads are actually written when I'm away from my computer. What I mean by this is that the ideas and concepts come to my mind naturally when I'm preoccupied with usual activities in my daily life. If I were to try generating ideas and concepts while being in front of the computer the whole time, I'd struggle to even get one high-effort thread completed.
Hot take, but trying to write memorable original melodies like The Beatles is far more difficult than writing hip-hop songs since there's no real way to hide a mediocre or bad melody. It's going to stick out like a sore thumb. Whereas for hip-hop, the maximalist approach can really hide a lot of inadequacies, and not to mention the melody isn't even an emphasis here. If you were to ask me to write something that rivals "Hey Jude" by The Beatles or "Imagine" by John Lennon in two weeks or else I die, I'd shit my pants because I know a single note cannot be wasted or misplaced. Even Paul McCartney hasn't written anything on par with what he created between 1963 and 1970 in the past 50 years. I'd rather try to mimic an entire Kanye West album than try to write a song iconic enough that it could be sung at schools and nurseries worldwide. If you were to give a $100 million budget to direct a film and point a gun towards my head, telling me to mimic either Spielberg or Tarantino or die, I think I'd have a better shot at mimicking Tarantino's style.
Spielberg tends to let things "simmer" with a highly streamlined storytelling style that prioritizes clarity and seamless pacing which makes it digestible for a much wider audience. I see him as the Beatles equivalent for movie directors, in which they both share tasteful restraint in their art. It's like being handed a blank canvas, and you're only allowed to make three brush strokes to make a timeless statement that will echo for generations. Tarantino, on the other hand, gives you hundreds of toys to play with through his maximalist directing style, endless cultural references and visceral engagement. In my previous thread, I talked about how some people's lives start from simplicity, move into complexity and return to simplicity once more. I'm at that stage where I am desperately trying to streamline how I express myself. Hence, I find Spielberg's style far more intimidating to replicate than Tarantino's. That's why I'm starting to see my own threads as mere "building blocks" rather than finished products, no matter how many words. I'm still trying to figure out how to "prune" my own mind.
Maybe it's just me here, but I've been fascinated with the "27 Club" (musicians and celebrities who died at 27) for a long time. Occasionally, I count down how many years, months and days before I turn 27. That creates a sense of urgency in me to not waste time doing things that don't align with my core values. Life then becomes like an avant-garde art project. In that way, I express what I mean and mean what I express. Even if I never pull off anything exceptional in life, I imagine one year being like a single brush stroke, and I make sure it counts.
TL;DR: True art cannot be forced or hustled. It either flows naturally out of you or it doesn't. You can't grind or hustle your way into becoming the next John Lennon or Kurt Cobain. The best ideas seemingly come to you when you are simply living life rather than hyperfocusing. Creating art with the least amount of brushstrokes is far more difficult than painting until something sticks. When something is minimalistic, one misplaced element sticks out and makes everything fall apart. I treat my life like an avant-garde project with a sense of "27 Club" urgency. In that way, I express what I mean and mean what I express. Even if I never pull off anything exceptional in life, I imagine one year being like a single brush stroke, and I make sure it counts.
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