there are no good arguments against suicide

[arthurfish]

I've noticed a grand majority of arguments against suicide fall on "b-but things can get better!!" or "your problems aren't that bad." The first one is especially retarded because not everyone's problems will get better. Some people's problems are tied to things they cannot change about themselves (height, face, illness, etc). Telling the 5'3" sub5 with chronic illnesses that things can get better and that they just need therapy is probably close to one of the most invalidating things anyone can say.

Then there are arguments that appeal to "inherent worth." Not only is it not real, but even if it was, so what? It's not tangible, you can't observe it, you can't feel it-- you can do nothing with it. What good has "inherent worth" ever done for the person battling with depression their whole lives?

Ultimately, I don’t think there’s a single argument that’ll stop a suicidal person from killing themselves. A truly suicidal person isn’t gonna be swayed by “muh inherent worth” or “it gets better bro just suffer for who knows how much longer ” I personally don’t even think suicide is all that bad of a thing. In my opinion, for someone to truly be free, they must hold the right to take their lives as they see fit. You cannot be truly autonomous if you cannot take your own life.

Personally, the only "argument" I find somewhat compelling is the argument for hell. "Your life may be shit now but imagine how much worse it'll get when you're being sodomized by Satan for all of eternity while your recessed infras are being laughed at." Atheistically though, I don't think there's a single compelling argument or point to be made.

INB4 DNR
Also not sure if I used the right prefix for this thread but whatever

 

[p\lled]

I've noticed a grand majority of arguments against suicide fall on "b-but things can get better!!" or "your problems aren't that bad." The first one is especially retarded because not everyone's problems will get better. Some people's problems are tied to things they cannot change about themselves (height, face, illness, etc). Telling the 5'3" sub5 with chronic illnesses that things can get better and that they just need therapy is probably close to one of the most invalidating things anyone can say.

Then there are arguments that appeal to "inherent worth." Not only is it not real, but even if it was, so what? It's not tangible, you can't observe it, you can't feel it-- you can do nothing with it. What good has "inherent worth" ever done for the person battling with depression their whole lives?

Ultimately, I don’t think there’s a single argument that’ll stop a suicidal person from killing themselves. A truly suicidal person isn’t gonna be swayed by “muh inherent worth” or “it gets better bro just suffer for who knows how much longer ” I personally don’t even think suicide is all that bad of a thing. In my opinion, for someone to truly be free, they must hold the right to take their lives as they see fit. You cannot be truly autonomous if you cannot take your own life.

Personally, the only "argument" I find somewhat compelling is the argument for hell. "Your life may be shit now but imagine how much worse it'll get when you're being sodomized by Satan for all of eternity while your recessed infras are being laughed at." Atheistically though, I don't think there's a single compelling argument or point to be made.

INB4 DNR
Also not sure if I used the right prefix for this thread but whatever

The only reason i can explain it is to not hurt the people around you that care and love for you that is if you have if not how would they judge you from above or if they were next to you if ur a low inhib chad idk i give up

 

[Exodus71]

I've noticed a grand majority of arguments against suicide fall on "b-but things can get better!!" or "your problems aren't that bad." The first one is especially retarded because not everyone's problems will get better. Some people's problems are tied to things they cannot change about themselves (height, face, illness, etc). Telling the 5'3" sub5 with chronic illnesses that things can get better and that they just need therapy is probably close to one of the most invalidating things anyone can say.

Yeah I agree, it's like they think that all problems have a solution and that everyone can just get ahead, but that's not the case, there are many things that are immutable and that you cannot change, your looks(to a big extent, looksmaxxing can help to a degree.), your height, your IQ, your ethnicity, etc, if some or most of these are bad then you will probably never amount to anything in life and you will fail, and be a failure and your life will not be good, why would you want to keep suffering and live a sub-par life compared to normal people or Chads? It would be better to just numb yourself so you stop suffering so much, or just commit, and pass away from this world.

Then there are arguments that appeal to "inherent worth." Not only is it not real, but even if it was, so what? It's not tangible, you can't observe it, you can't feel it-- you can do nothing with it. What good has "inherent worth" ever done for the person battling with depression their whole lives?

What these people don't want to admit is that some people have less worth than others, yes, they all have worth, but some are less than others, and the way society treats them shows, some will just be better off than others, while others suffer.

Ultimately, I don’t think there’s a single argument that’ll stop a suicidal person from killing themselves. A truly suicidal person isn’t gonna be swayed by “muh inherent worth” or “it gets better bro just suffer for who knows how much longer ” I personally don’t even think suicide is all that bad of a thing. In my opinion, for someone to truly be free, they must hold the right to take their lives as they see fit. You cannot be truly autonomous if you cannot take your own life.

Same, as long they are truly sure of wanting to do it, and have the causes and reasons to do it, and aren't just whining like women do after getting "depressed", and that they truly cannot escape or fix their situation because of immutable things, then I do consider it a valid option to do it, but you can always try to stop caring and cope.

Personally, the only "argument" I find somewhat compelling is the argument for hell. "Your life may be shit now but imagine how much worse it'll get when you're being sodomized by Satan for all of eternity while your recessed infras are being laughed at." Atheistically though, I don't think there's a single compelling argument or point to be made.

INB4 DNR
Also not sure if I used the right prefix for this thread but whatever

Why would God make the life for some of his children so SHIT, and then punish them when they escape from their torment? Why would he do that? He either doesn't care or is evil, anyways, did read.

 

[greylurker]

the only way to fix someone being suicidal is to take away the problems that are causing them to be suicidal which isnt realistic so you're right

 

[arthurfish]

The only reason i can explain it is to not hurt the people around you that care and love for you that is if you have if not how would they judge you from above or if they were next to you if ur a low inhib chad idk i give up

Still weak arguments. It completely disregards what the individual is feeling and what they’ve been through etc. Demanding a person stay alive for their loved ones is equally, if not more, selfish than the individual is for taking their own life. When you demand someone stay alive because it’ll affect you or others, you’re only looking out for yourself.

 

[ragu]

If the believe Reincarnation maybe they will be born as 6’3 chad

 

[the_machinist_786]

Fuck off you subhuman piece of shit grey

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

I've noticed a grand majority of arguments against suicide fall on "b-but things can get better!!" or "your problems aren't that bad." The first one is especially retarded because not everyone's problems will get better. Some people's problems are tied to things they cannot change about themselves (height, face, illness, etc). Telling the 5'3" sub5 with chronic illnesses that things can get better and that they just need therapy is probably close to one of the most invalidating things anyone can say.

Then there are arguments that appeal to "inherent worth." Not only is it not real, but even if it was, so what? It's not tangible, you can't observe it, you can't feel it-- you can do nothing with it. What good has "inherent worth" ever done for the person battling with depression their whole lives?

Ultimately, I don’t think there’s a single argument that’ll stop a suicidal person from killing themselves. A truly suicidal person isn’t gonna be swayed by “muh inherent worth” or “it gets better bro just suffer for who knows how much longer ” I personally don’t even think suicide is all that bad of a thing. In my opinion, for someone to truly be free, they must hold the right to take their lives as they see fit. You cannot be truly autonomous if you cannot take your own life.

Personally, the only "argument" I find somewhat compelling is the argument for hell. "Your life may be shit now but imagine how much worse it'll get when you're being sodomized by Satan for all of eternity while your recessed infras are being laughed at." Atheistically though, I don't think there's a single compelling argument or point to be made.

INB4 DNR
Also not sure if I used the right prefix for this thread but whatever

true, life is not for Genetic failures, giving they opportunity is just anti survival

 

[arthurfish]

Fuck off you subhuman piece of shit grey

 

[arthurfish]

the only way to fix someone being suicidal is to take away the problems that are causing them to be suicidal which isnt realistic so you're right

Indeed indeed. Some problems are simply unfixable

 

[arthurfish]

Why would God make the life for some of his children so SHIT, and then punish them when they escape from their torment? Why would he do that? He either doesn't care or is evil, anyways, did read.

I’m not a christian, but a christian response might be something along the lines of: “God doesn’t make your life shit. Your shitty life is the result of sin entering the world through mankind. Someone who kills themselves [a mortal sin] is cutting themselves off from God; the source of goodness. To cut yourself off from God for all of eternity means to choose hell.”