There is a bar I drive by on my way home several days a week...

[eetfuk]

Frame, forward growth, compact midfaces, sharp ramuses with low jaw angles, stubble, backwards hats, basically the stereotypical southeastern US frat bro chad phenotype. A lot of them sort of look like young Chris Carmacks but less pretty. Very jocky

Suicide fuel.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Suicide fuel.

A lot of the bars around here (including the one I referred to in this thread) basically are filled with guys like these below:

That's what I was trying to convey to key21 -- besides the fact that I'm 10-12 years older than these guys, NO SURGERY has the potential to make me as good-looking in the face as them, so unless I find some random magical bar or nightclub crawling with a bunch of ugly guys, what's the point? I'm still going to have to put in 10x as much effort as them just to get some below-average girl

 

[eetfuk]

A lot of the bars around here (including the one I referred to in this thread) basically are filled with guys like these below:

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That's what I was trying to convey to key21 -- besides the fact that I'm 10-12 years older than these guys, NO SURGERY has the potential to make me as good-looking in the face as them, so unless I find some random magical bar or nightclub crawling with a bunch of ugly guys, what's the point? I'm still going to have to put in 10x as much effort as them just to get some below-average girl

All the guys have social groups also. You don’t even have that and it’s not the easiest thing in the world to make guy friends at your age, especially ones who share an interest in going to clubs and trying to pick up young women.

 

[SurgerySoon]

All the guys have social groups also. You don’t even have that and it’s not the easiest thing in the world to make guy friends at your age, especially ones who share an interest in going to clubs and trying to pick up young women.

Yeah I know, I'm not arguing with you at all. That's why I said a few posts back in my most recent response to key21 that there are just too many factors working against me here for me to realistically expect to have a good outcome from all of this. Even if I had social groups like those guys, I'd still have to deal with the fact that I'm older than them and STILL not nearly as good-looking. It honestly sounds like it's going to be easier to simply LDAR than to spend all this time, effort, and money to get an outcome that I know I won't be satisfied with

 

[Deleted member 2846]

DO NOT GO ER. I REPEAT

DO NOT GO ER

 

[SurgerySoon]

DO NOT GO ER. I REPEAT

DO NOT GO ER

I didn't quite hear you, can you repeat that

 

[eetfuk]

Yeah I know, I'm not arguing with you at all. That's why I said a few posts back in my most recent response to key21 that there are just too many factors working against me here for me to realistically expect to have a good outcome from all of this. Even if I had social groups like those guys, I'd still have to deal with the fact that I'm older than them and STILL not nearly as good-looking. It honestly sounds like it's going to be easier to simply LDAR than to spend all this time, effort, and money to get an outcome that I know I won't be satisfied with

Just get your surgeries and then go on about your life man. Looking better can help with other aspects of your life.

 

[SurgerySoon]

Just get your surgeries and then go on about your life man. Looking better can help with other aspects of your life.

Maybe it will, but unless I'm misreading your post, it sounds like you're one of the few people who is agreeing with me that trying to get girls at my age and with my looks (unless it's a betabux provider situation) is pretty much going to be a longshot?

 

[wristcel]

not sure if it will look like bragging or encouragement, but i'm older than you, not goodlooking (looking to get surgeries next year. Rhinoplasty and HT initially) and even though i'm obviously not a slayer, i've banged a few girls over the last year or 2 from cold approach who are ok looking, and some WAY younger than me lol (like 17 -21!)

My older brother is like 40 and banging a decent looking 20 year old. He's no chad (has a giant cock, though ). He doesn't even have the ladies man personality. He's a nerdy engineer. Always plays the 'long game' with girls whereas I get drunk, cold aprpoach 50 girls on a nighit until I find a decent one who likes me lol

Never give up! Try to get a social group going and put yourself out there way more.


And more surgery if that's an option and could get you an extra point on the scale?

 

[eetfuk]

Maybe it will, but unless I'm misreading your post, it sounds like you're one of the few people who is agreeing with me that trying to get girls at my age and with my looks (unless it's a betabux provider situation) is pretty much going to be a longshot?

What’s your experience with women so far?

 

[Deleted member 2617]

I'm sorry my guy. I brutally feel what you're saying.. was always obsessed with it until I get laid for 30 seconds with landwhale.
And I have different problem, being gook. I almost cried at the work and couldnt concentrate at all cuz all of the thoughts about my flat maxilla just literally eat me up and occupied my full head.
I smoked and finally stopped shaking.
Were all miserable I guess..

 

[SurgerySoon]

What’s your experience with women so far?

None

I'm sorry my guy. I brutally feel what you're saying.. was always obsessed with it until I get laid for 30 seconds with landwhale.
And I have different problem, being gook. I almost cried at the work and couldnt concentrate at all cuz all of the thoughts about my flat maxilla just literally eat me up and occupied my full head.
I smoked and finally stopped shaking.
Were all miserable I guess..

My maxilla is very flat (practically recessed) as well. However, no matter how desperate I get, I will never stoop to the level of hooking up with a landwhale. I simply can't force myself to be attracted to girls I'm not naturally attracted to, just like I can't force myself to be gay.

not sure if it will look like bragging or encouragement, but i'm older than you, not goodlooking (looking to get surgeries next year. Rhinoplasty and HT initially) and even though i'm obviously not a slayer, i've banged a few girls over the last year or 2 from cold approach who are ok looking, and some WAY younger than me lol (like 17 -21!)

My older brother is like 40 and banging a decent looking 20 year old. He's no chad (has a giant cock, though ). He doesn't even have the ladies man personality. He's a nerdy engineer. Always plays the 'long game' with girls whereas I get drunk, cold aprpoach 50 girls on a nighit until I find a decent one who likes me lol

Never give up! Try to get a social group going and put yourself out there way more.


And more surgery if that's an option and could get you an extra point on the scale?

Congratulations on having some luck with what sounds like at least somewhat desirable girls. At my age, developing a new social circle is really tough because so many guys my age are married or engaged. Also, what has always been an issue for me is the fact that the people in the profession I'm finishing up school to start working in (healthcare) tend to be very reserved and generally high-inhib types who aren't really into partying in the first place (think "22 going on 40" types). So I'm in the weird predicament of being almost 32 and having the lifestyle interests of a guy in his early 20s. That's one reason I have a hard time processing just how old I've become -- I have basically the same day-to-day routine and interests and preferences (aside from being more actively interested in partying now) that I had when I was in my early 20s, so I almost feel like I've gotten caught in some sort of weird time warp. In other words, I have aged, but I haven't really changed all that much on a fundamental level aside from being more aggressive about hard looksmaxxing as as the fact that I have realized that I want to spend the rest of my life being the single guy who can continue to have the do anything/go anywhere/stick to your routine lifestyle that I settled into during my 20s.

 

[eetfuk]

None

Fuck. Not even escorts?

 

[SurgerySoon]

Fuck. Not even escorts?

Nope. My city doesn't even have any upscale escorts

 

[eetfuk]

Nope. My city doesn't even have any upscale escorts

It’s pointless even trying to catch up now man.

 

[SurgerySoon]

It’s pointless even trying to catch up now man.

Yes, that's exactly what I've been trying to say and what I meant when I said in a previous post that there are simply too many factors working against me for there to be any realistic chance of me having a positive outcome. Even if I improved my looks to the 6+ PSL threshold (which isn't possible given my base), I'd still have the fundamental psychological issues that are rooted in my lifelong lack of validation.

 

[eetfuk]

Yes, that's exactly what I've been trying to say and what I meant when I said in a previous post that there are simply too many factors working against me for there to be any realistic chance of me having a positive outcome. Even if I improved my looks to the 6+ PSL threshold (which isn't possible given my base), I'd still have the fundamental psychological issues that are rooted in my lifelong lack of validation.

By the time you have finished improving your looks, men your age will be settling down with their wife and having kids. Just get the surgeries and go about life as normal.

 

[SurgerySoon]

By the time you have finished improving your looks, men your age will be settling down with their wife and having kids. Just get the surgeries and go about life as normal.

So basically forget about girls entirely, unless I randomly have luck with them at nightclubs? (Although I might be too old to go to those as well)