There is a bias here towards doing one full on crazy surgery rather then small effective ones

[lurking truecel]

I think people here are to drown into the fact that you need to make yourself chad via one big surgery. Often bimax, LL or some other more hypothetical surgery.

Meanwhile people know that its a matter of mm in the right areas.

I will use this guy as an example

He said he needed bimax at pags, which will be 30k + braces and a year recovery

But what he really needs is a genio glossing to raise hyiod bone and a rhinoplasty, maybe a necklift. The price of this is 15k total, and much recovery and ortho time saved

Now he has 15k for fat graft, laser and other procedures for the future.

But sure if you are a bimax case and recessed as hell, sure do it. Burt going to pag or ram and doing less then 5 mm leforte, less then 10 mm bsso or less then 4 downgraft is stupid and will just waste your life and risk unnecessary discomfort

Photos from this thread

Thoughts on Pagnoni?

I emailed Mario Pagnoni about double jaw surgery and midface implants earlier today. I’m not wasting his time and can afford it but am wondering if he will take me serious considering my case is only for aesthetics. Also, what are your guys general thoughts on Pagnoni?

looksmax.org

 

[geenk worg]

he's just not a bimax candidate, period
it's not that complicated

 

[lurking truecel]

he's just not a bimax candidate, period
it's not that complicated

I mean for many it is, and yea he was a obv case

 

[savemebimax]

bimax should only be for recessed freaks like me, jfl I wouldn't even be on these forums if I had his side profile

 

[toni_maxxx]

Exactly. Also most of the time it’s just mental masturbation from retarded teenagers who don’t even have 2k in their bank account (if they even have the account to begin with) yet they plan some trimax + infra + zygos like they magically gonna afford that in a couple years. And then randomly suggest these surgeries to everyone

 

[toni_maxxx]

Interesting observation is that people who actually travel overseas for a medical procedure learn why passport broing is a thing and sometimes realize that they don’t need any surgeries at all

 

[Foreverbrad]

I guess if money and time are truly no object to these people it is worth it for that 10% marginal gain.

I’m still struggling with the lefort-1 vs lefort-2 question myself because it’s a lot of extra money, recovery time and long-term complication risk for like a 20% gain when trimax is already doing the other 80% and I’m just not sure I’m ready to make that sacrifice.

 

[Shinichi]

I think people here are to drown into the fact that you need to make yourself chad via one big surgery. Often bimax, LL or some other more hypothetical surgery.

Meanwhile people know that its a matter of mm in the right areas.

I will use this guy as an example

View attachment 4004807

He said he needed bimax at pags, which will be 30k + braces and a year recovery

View attachment 4004857

But what he really needs is a genio glossing to raise hyiod bone and a rhinoplasty, maybe a necklift. The price of this is 15k total, and much recovery and ortho time saved

Now he has 15k for fat graft, laser and other procedures for the future.

But sure if you are a bimax case and recessed as hell, sure do it. Burt going to pag or ram and doing less then 5 mm leforte, less then 10 mm bsso or less then 4 downgraft is stupid and will just waste your life and risk unnecessary discomfort

Photos from this thread

Thoughts on Pagnoni?

I emailed Mario Pagnoni about double jaw surgery and midface implants earlier today. I’m not wasting his time and can afford it but am wondering if he will take me serious considering my case is only for aesthetics. Also, what are your guys general thoughts on Pagnoni?

looksmax.org

Im gonna save up for a genioplasty, then fat grafts. Thats it

 

[adarsh arya]

I think people here are to drown into the fact that you need to make yourself chad via one big surgery. Often bimax, LL or some other more hypothetical surgery. Meanwhile people know that its a matter of mm in the right areas. I will use this guy as an example View attachment 4004807 He said he needed bimax at pags, which will be 30k + braces and a year recovery View attachment 4004857 But what he really needs is a genio glossing to raise hyiod bone and a rhinoplasty, maybe a necklift. The price of this is 15k total, and much recovery and ortho time saved Now he has 15k for fat graft, laser and other procedures for the future. But sure if you are a bimax case and recessed as hell, sure do it. Burt going to pag or ram and doing less then 5 mm leforte, less then 10 mm bsso or less then 4 downgraft is stupid and will just waste your life and risk unnecessary discomfort Photos from this thread

Thoughts on Pagnoni?

I emailed Mario Pagnoni about double jaw surgery and midface implants earlier today. I’m not wasting his time and can afford it but am wondering if he will take me serious considering my case is only for aesthetics. Also, what are your guys general thoughts on Pagnoni?

looksmax.org

I think people here are to drown into the fact that you need to make yourself chad via one big surgery. Often bimax, LL or some other more hypothetical surgery.

Meanwhile people know that its a matter of mm in the right areas.

I will use this guy as an example

View attachment 4004807

He said he needed bimax at pags, which will be 30k + braces and a year recovery

View attachment 4004857

But what he really needs is a genio glossing to raise hyiod bone and a rhinoplasty, maybe a necklift. The price of this is 15k total, and much recovery and ortho time saved

Now he has 15k for fat graft, laser and other procedures for the future.

But sure if you are a bimax case and recessed as hell, sure do it. Burt going to pag or ram and doing less then 5 mm leforte, less then 10 mm bsso or less then 4 downgraft is stupid and will just waste your life and risk unnecessary discomfort

Photos from this thread

Thoughts on Pagnoni?

I emailed Mario Pagnoni about double jaw surgery and midface implants earlier today. I’m not wasting his time and can afford it but am wondering if he will take me serious considering my case is only for aesthetics. Also, what are your guys general thoughts on Pagnoni?

looksmax.org

Iqlets people on this site have no idea about how to analyze faces and see potential within minimal surgerical procedures most people here are tt fags with zero knowledge and all they do is yap about peptides for bonemass

 

[Devon]

I think people here are to drown into the fact that you need to make yourself chad via one big surgery. Often bimax, LL or some other more hypothetical surgery.

Meanwhile people know that its a matter of mm in the right areas.

I will use this guy as an example

View attachment 4004807

He said he needed bimax at pags, which will be 30k + braces and a year recovery

View attachment 4004857

But what he really needs is a genio glossing to raise hyiod bone and a rhinoplasty, maybe a necklift. The price of this is 15k total, and much recovery and ortho time saved

Now he has 15k for fat graft, laser and other procedures for the future.

But sure if you are a bimax case and recessed as hell, sure do it. Burt going to pag or ram and doing less then 5 mm leforte, less then 10 mm bsso or less then 4 downgraft is stupid and will just waste your life and risk unnecessary discomfort

Photos from this thread

Thoughts on Pagnoni?

I emailed Mario Pagnoni about double jaw surgery and midface implants earlier today. I’m not wasting his time and can afford it but am wondering if he will take me serious considering my case is only for aesthetics. Also, what are your guys general thoughts on Pagnoni?

looksmax.org

That’s not how it works obvvv, I’m interested to see what happened with your bimax result tbh. You luckily by accident or not went to one of the top surgeons so maybe he saved you but with knowledge such as this I can’t imagine you really ascended much.

 

[Devon]

@Foreverbrad how much money do you have saved up towards surgery?

 

[jordy4382]

To be frank most guys here mentally screw themselves by setting their sight on more popular surgeries solely due to the fact that they’re more expensive, somewhat acceptable among normies.
fat grafts, rhino, and genio gotta bear the best roi, if they’re trully needed .
Mini neck lift, and lip lift r goated as well.
Surgeries are meant to fix big flaws, and not miraculously give u a perfect skull indicating a chad base.

 

[Foreverbrad]

@Foreverbrad how much money do you have saved up towards surgery?

I can afford it already, I am just waiting on braces to finish.

Any money spent on surgery directly takes away from early retirement though. Not much point looking better when you’re locked up in a workplace for 80% of your waking hours.

 

[tweaqo]

That’s not how it works obvvv, I’m interested to see what happened with your bimax result tbh. You luckily by accident or not went to one of the top surgeons so maybe he saved you but with knowledge such as this I can’t imagine you really ascended much.

He showed me his results privately. They ascended his side profile insanely hard. It was a great result.

 

[LEFORT17]

I can afford it already, I am just waiting on braces to finish.

Any money spent on surgery directly takes away from early retirement though. Not much point looking better when you’re locked up in a workplace for 80% of your waking hours.

ur going to ram?

 

[Devon]

I can afford it already, I am just waiting on braces to finish.

Any money spent on surgery directly takes away from early retirement though. Not much point looking better when you’re locked up in a workplace for 80% of your waking hours.

Chads don’t need to work

Whads your plan?

Pm if not comfortable sharing in public

 

[Foreverbrad]

Chads don’t need to work

Whads your plan?

Pm if not comfortable sharing in public

I don’t have surgical planning yet, I’m still in decompensation braces.
It will be something like 5mm maxilla, 10mm mandible, straight advancement, maybe a tiny downgraft, a little bit of ramus widening, and a downgraft/setback genio as needed.

And infra implants while in there.

ur going to ram?

Hopefully

 

[Devon]

I don’t have surgical planning yet, I’m still in decompensation braces.
It will be something like 5mm maxilla, 10mm mandible, straight advancement, maybe a tiny downgraft, a little bit of ramus widening, and a downgraft/setback genio as needed.

And infra implants while in there.



Hopefully

"incel since feb 2024" JFFFLING AT FAKECELNESS I havent talked to a foid since i was 11

 

[Foreverbrad]

"incel since feb 2024" JFFFLING AT FAKECELNESS I havent talked to a foid since i was 11

I bet I was KHHV at your age.

 

[Devon]

I bet I was KHHV at your age.

im not that young lol

 

[Foreverbrad]

im not that young lol

I was KHHV until 24!

 

[LEFORT17]

Hopefully

doesnt sound too confident

 

[nestivv]

 

[AustrianMogger]

I think people here are to drown into the fact that you need to make yourself chad via one big surgery. Often bimax, LL or some other more hypothetical surgery.

Meanwhile people know that its a matter of mm in the right areas.

I will use this guy as an example

View attachment 4004807

He said he needed bimax at pags, which will be 30k + braces and a year recovery

View attachment 4004857

But what he really needs is a genio glossing to raise hyiod bone and a rhinoplasty, maybe a necklift. The price of this is 15k total, and much recovery and ortho time saved

Now he has 15k for fat graft, laser and other procedures for the future.

But sure if you are a bimax case and recessed as hell, sure do it. Burt going to pag or ram and doing less then 5 mm leforte, less then 10 mm bsso or less then 4 downgraft is stupid and will just waste your life and risk unnecessary discomfort

Photos from this thread

Thoughts on Pagnoni?

I emailed Mario Pagnoni about double jaw surgery and midface implants earlier today. I’m not wasting his time and can afford it but am wondering if he will take me serious considering my case is only for aesthetics. Also, what are your guys general thoughts on Pagnoni?

looksmax.org

1 year recovery my ass. Where you pulled that number out

 

[AustrianMogger]

Mental masturbation thread.
Truth is best is every surgery you can afford and get.
If that is just genio then its that if you can afford trimax, obo, tripod, quadruple LL and all the implants in the sun then go for it
then you just need a reliable trusting surgeon who is willing to perform on you
No less no more.
Muuh 80% of the way when the last 20% is what really counts.

 

[Lefor3Laser]

Mental masturbation thread.
Truth is best is every surgery you can afford and get.
If that is just genio then its that if you can afford trimax, obo, tripod, quadruple LL and all the implants in the sun then go for it
then you just need a reliable trusting surgeon who is willing to perform on you
No less no more.
Muuh 80% of the way when the last 20% is what really counts.

Or just get the surgeries that you actually need rather than doing bigger one's wich gives a small ROI (many of the times underwhelming or leaves botches/other problems) and may lead to more problems, it's like water in the pipes, you fix on hole and the pression is to big, you'll get another one and so on, same goes for surgeries.

Chose precisely by pros and cons.

 

[Devon]

I was KHHV until 24!

woah ok i guess you do have it worse maybe but did you ask giant about lf2/3 in dms? what did he say

 

[AustrianMogger]

Or just get the surgeries that you actually need rather than doing bigger one's wich gives a small ROI (many of the times underwhelming or leaves botches/other problems) and may lead to more problems, it's like water in the pipes, you fix on hole and the pression is to big, you'll get another one and so on, same goes for surgeries.

Chose precisely by pros and cons.

I strongly argue against this.
Get what you can do realistically.
Dont do less dont do more.
If you cant afford bimax then do genio but always go for the surgerys with most enhancement.
If you just do genio and go from 5 to 5.5/10, wow could have also done nothing.
If you do many different things, experience possible setbacks but end up at 6.5 even if at exponetially higher cost it will be worth it.