There is nothing wrong with restricting immigration based on race.

[Aladin]

look here you loser bigot go take a bath. Thats what you bigots do when you get mad make personal insults.

Nice projection

 

[stamaster21]

Well, we have to understand why immigrants come to western countries. Western countries are better economically and far superior in HDI. Those immigrants want better opportunities and lives for themselves and their families. That’s usually why they come.

I agree that a country being “forced” to invite all people is wrong. Like I said earlier, the thing that makes it morally wrong is racism. Grouping people together based on wealth, education, criminal history is fine.

If there are trends with race associated with those characteristics then we must ask ourselves why such an association exists.

For example, one of the main racists points is the 13 50 stat. Why does this occur? Obviously black people do indeed commit more crimes per capita, but it’s also because of over policing, because they live in economically poor areas, systemic racism etc.

Also leeches of what? As long as they are contributing to the economy and being a law abiding citizen, they are not doing any harm

The 13/50 stat is stupid because its counting people who are not criminals. Thats what these bigots keep yelling 13 percent of the population is repsonsible for 50 percent of the crime. Most folks regardless of race are not violent criminals the bigots know this already. There not gonna say 5-6 percent are criminals because that doesn't go with their agenda of hate. And when folks bring up stats they say things like 4x the crime of other racial groups per capita etc. Turns the difference in most casses is like .2 percent or less. They will show a stat and say see , and it shows 20 violent crimes per 100000 people, then show stats of white people and it shows 5 violent crimes per 100000 people. And in most cases they don't even show the stats for all racial groups.

 

[Aladin]

The 13/50 stat is stupid because its counting people who are not criminals.

 

[stamaster21]

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Study Shows Race Is Substantial Factor in Wrongful Convictions

Race is a substantial factor in why people are wrongly convicted.

eji.org

 

[PUNK1986]

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These stats are racist and made to make blacks look bad. In reality white men are the biggest criminals, I’m from Pennsylvania USA and literally all the thugs/killers in my area are white, all the bad people here are white but keep coping with ethnic = bad.

 

[Aladin]

Study Shows Race Is Substantial Factor in Wrongful Convictions

Race is a substantial factor in why people are wrongly convicted.

eji.org

cope report

 

[Aladin]

These stats are racist and made to make blacks look bad. In reality white men are the biggest criminals, I’m from Pennsylvania USA and literally all the thugs/killers in my area are white, all the bad people here are white but keep coping with ethnic = bad.

No one believes whites are worse than blacks.

 

[Aladin]

@Jason Voorhees thoughts?

 

[True truecel]

These stats are racist and made to make blacks look bad. In reality white men are the biggest criminals, I’m from Pennsylvania USA and literally all the thugs/killers in my area are white, all the bad people here are white but keep coping with ethnic = bad.

I don’t know about white men being the “biggest criminals” that’s a bit retarded to say don’t you think?

Imo it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with financial status and cultural upbringing

 

[True truecel]

i agree 100 percent but these bigots don't see those people as HUMANS. And thats why their crazy idea of excluding immigrants just based on race isnt in effect in today’s society on a mass scale. There is no need ask him that question, he already knows hes a bigot.

Yeah they'd agree with that until you add the detail of "including racism".

I'm an immigrant studying in Italy, and my country also has a big racism and immigration problem from a neighboring country, so I kinda have both perspectives. I just don't agree with the idea that we should not let a certain group of people enter a nation if we have no evidence of previous misconduct or bad intentions, just why? Even when a country restricts immigration it's not for "any reason", there's always a reason, often pretty logical too.

Very normal take, idk how anyone could disagree with this

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Jason Voorhees thoughts?

Legally not possible. Read the UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (Article 3 and 5) that talks about immigration policies. Violating it makes you look less like a sovereign nation and more like a bootleg apartheid cosplay.

International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Entry into force: 4 January 1969, in accordance with Article 19 The States Parties to this Convention,

www.ohchr.org

 

[True truecel]

My country was founded/built by Whites/for Whites.

Our immigration should have remained predominantly White.

James, George, and John didn't fight tooth and nail to build this country just so Jose, Juan, and Javier could take over.

Why does it matter how the country was founded or what the initial intent of the founders were? (I’ll entertain the idea that the founders wanted the country to be predominantly white, specifically Northern Europeans and rejecting everyone else)

Even if that’s true, that has nothing to do with our modern day problems. The US was formed through Native American genocide and African slaves. Does that make either of those things okay? Like almost all people of the past, the founding fathers were morally flawed and supervised horrific crimes, although they achieved great success in establishing the US.

What are Mexicans “taking over”? What are any minorities taking over? Whites are the majority population/majority in power in the country and will remain so for the next few decades at minimum, I think your perception of immigration is exaggerated.

 

[Aladin]

The US was formed through Native American genocide and African slaves.

No, African slaves were a small part of the nation building

 

[Aladin]

@True truecel why is restricting immigration entirely fine but not discrimination fine?

 

[True truecel]

Why are people not allowed to choose which immigrants they desire vs not desire? If someone wants to choose who to date and not date that is fine.

Edit: what is “HDI” mentioned earlier?

Human development index

I think you are confusing internal preference with moral equality. Sure you don’t have to date any person of a particular race, but preventing them entry to your country based on their race treats them with a different moral standard, which is clearly unjust, because all humans are equal.

Going back to the dating example, even though not wanting to date a race is completely fine, if you begin to spread ideologies encouraging others to not date a certain race, that’s racist because it’s no longer an internal preference.

For immigration However, it would make sense if you say something like, we only want people who have college degrees to come into our country. Having a Degree is often merit/financial status based and has nothing to do with your intrinsic value as a human.

 

[True truecel]

@True truecel why is restricting immigration entirely fine but not discrimination fine?

Any immigrant policy that does not treat all human as beings with equal intrinsic value is morally wrong.

The question is, do you believe all human beings are intrinsically equal and deserve the same rights?

 

[True truecel]

No, African slaves were a small part of the nation building

True, still a part though.

 

[Aladin]

I think you are confusing internal preference with moral equality. Sure you don’t have to date any person of a particular race, but preventing them entry to your country based on their race treats them with a different moral standard, which is clearly unjust, because all humans are equal.

no, this I disagree with.

Social cohesion

For immigration However, it would make sense if you say something like, we only want people who have college degrees to come into our country. Having a Degree is often merit/financial status based and has nothing to do with your intrinsic value as a human.

does race have something to do with intrinsic value as a human?

 

[Aladin]

True, still a part though.

A muniscule part

 

[True truecel]

no, this I disagree with.

Social cohesion

Right, social cohesion refers to shared values, it has nothing to do with race.

Also social cohesion itself is flawed, this kind of ideology was present during the European immigration to the US in the 1800s and 1900s. Although ethnic groups like Irish and Italians were discriminated at first, they eventually integrated and strengthened the nation.

Sure, if you decided immigration policy based on shared values and potential for social cohesion, that’s also completely moral.

 

[True truecel]

A muniscule part

doesn’t change my point in response to that guy

 

[Aladin]

Right, social cohesion refers to shared values, it has nothing to do with race.

Massive cope.

 

[True truecel]

Massive cope.

how so?

 

[Aladin]

how so?

Because people vote based on race.

 

[Aladin]

Legally not possible. Read the UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (Article 3 and 5) that talks about immigration policies. Violating it makes you look less like a sovereign nation and more like a bootleg apartheid cosplay.

International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

Entry into force: 4 January 1969, in accordance with Article 19 The States Parties to this Convention,

www.ohchr.org

This means the UN doesn’t respect soveirgn nations.

 

[True truecel]

Because people vote based on race.

They do and it's wrong, you shouldn't vote based on race, that would be racist. It's racist because its a choice that impacts other people, not an internal preference.

obviously there's no way to stop people from having preferences when voting based on race, but that doesn't make it not wrong.

In an ideal nation, people should only vote on the values a candidate represents, and their trustworthiness to follow through on their word and work in the best interest of the people and the country.

 

[Aladin]

They do and it's wrong,

And that in and of itself is a compelling reason to restrict immigration based on race. Based on realism.

 

[True truecel]

And that in and of itself is a compelling reason to restrict immigration based on race. Based on realism.

How do morally wrong racial preferences for voting justify restricting immigration based on morally wrong racial preferences?

 

[Aladin]

How do morally wrong racial preferences for voting justify restricting immigration based on morally wrong racial preferences?

Loaded question

 

[Aladin]

@got.daim

 

[BadLuck7892]

Why does it matter how the country was founded or what the initial intent of the founders were? (I’ll entertain the idea that the founders wanted the country to be predominantly white, specifically Northern Europeans and rejecting everyone else)

Even if that’s true, that has nothing to do with our modern day problems. The US was formed through Native American genocide and African slaves. Does that make either of those things okay? Like almost all people of the past, the founding fathers were morally flawed and supervised horrific crimes, although they achieved great success in establishing the US.

What are Mexicans “taking over”? What are any minorities taking over? Whites are the majority population/majority in power in the country and will remain so for the next few decades at minimum, I think your perception of immigration is exaggerated.

It's true the Founding Fathers only supported immigration from Northwest Europe in particular. For a number of reasons.

The Founding Fathers didn't view people from Eastern Europe or Southern Europe as White.

Additionally, the culture of this nation is rooted in Northwest Europe (Britain and Ireland in particular), making immigrants from Northwest Europe the best fit.

That being said, as we eventually ended up getting immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe, Southern/Eastern Euros proved themselves to be patriotic/assimilable Americans. Plus, the definition of White grew to include any country in Europe. Therefore, while I understand the Founding Fathers preferring immigrants from Northwest Europe, I support immigration from Europe in general.

As for Native Americans? Conquest was the way of the world (historically). It's interesting how when individual Whites lose a fistfight to a minority, you liberals say "survival of the fittest," yet when Whites as a whole beat the Native Americans at conquest, you moan "So unfair!!"

As for African slaves? Slavery was the way of the world for millennia. Every race both practiced and fell victim to slavery. What sets Whites apart is the fact we ended slavery (slavery still exists in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East)

As for your question of what Mexicans are taking over? Mexicans are particularly problematic immigrants, as most Mexicans refuse to accept the fact Mexico lost the border states to us. They seriously think it's their God-given right to come here and outbreed us.

Calling us the majority population is misleading. We only hold a slight majority nationwide. The children on a national level are majority minority at this point. And many areas in the border states that used to be majority White as recently as 1-2 generations ago are no longer majority White.

Take my city for example. We used to be 80% White/15% Mexican a mere 2 generations ago. Today, we're only 40-something percent White (with Mexicans also being 40-something percent). That's a massive drop in the White population (and massive boom in the Mexican population) in a span of less than a lifetime.

40-something percent is still a sizable White population though, so you'd think we'd still hold a decent amount of power, right? Wrong. Despite this city being 40-something percent White, the public schools are only 5% White.

As the Mexican population grew, White kids began to get treated worse and worse by taco benders at school. So White parents began utilizing private school. Only the absolute poorest White parents send their kids to public school in this city at this point.

Blacks are even worse than Mexicans with how they treat our people. And despite only making up 1/8 of the national population, society panders to blacks every step of the way.

 

[got.daim]

based

 

[Aladin]

based

Can u address jaffar’s posts?

 

[got.daim]

jaffar says your slick, Your trying to compare a personal choice of who you decide to fuck, with a immigration policy for a whole nation/country there not even similar. Mate exclusion is fine because to most humans understand THAT is a personal right of who you decide to fuck and who decide to be friends with or associate with. But where talking about policy about nations.

DNRD, but I made this thread talking in detail why you should restrict immigration on race:

Why can't leftists grasp these basics? (Plus Bio-Cultural Feedback 101)

(Warning, kind of an effort-post, fairly long, everything after TL;DR is not important but included anyway because I found it kind of funny how sidetracked I became.) Other factors than in the image are important, but you get the picture. Higher IQ brains are just superior at being brains (to a...

looksmax.org

 

[widdi]

No this is bullshit octoroons are not white

Test within European PGS scores for personality differences within Africans. The ones that don’t transfer over are ancestral markers that can be ignored.

 

[Aladin]

Test within European PGS scores for personality differences within Africans. The ones that don’t transfer over are ancestral markers that can be ignored.

No clue what that is.

 

[Aladin]

Right, social cohesion refers to shared values, it has nothing to do with race.

Also social cohesion itself is flawed, this kind of ideology was present during the European immigration to the US in the 1800s and 1900s. Although ethnic groups like Irish and Italians were discriminated at first, they eventually integrated and strengthened the nation.

Sure, if you decided immigration policy based on shared values and potential for social cohesion, that’s also completely moral.

I have a different question. Is banning people from immigration because of being Muslim fine since it’s a religion?

 

[Aladin]

I have a different question. Is banning people from immigration because of being Muslim fine since it’s a religion?

@True truecel

 

[True truecel]

@True truecel

No it’s a form of discrimination

What does religion have to do with allowing people into your country?

However, let’s say that the people that want to come in have legitimate security concerns associated with terrorism. Or even have family members associated, then obviously that would be a valid claim to not let those people in, from an ethical perspective.

If you start to implement immigration policies based around blatant discrimination, race, and religion, your country will look increasingly more like Israel, basically an ethnostate.

 

[Aladin]

No it’s a form of discrimination

So? Not every person who applies to be an immigrant will be accepted, discrimination is inevitable.

What does religion have to do with allowing people into your country?

However, let’s say that the people that want to come in have legitimate security concerns associated with terrorism. Or even have family members associated, then obviously that would be a valid claim to not let those people in, from an ethical perspective.

If you start to implement immigration policies based around blatant discrimination, race, and religion, your country will look increasingly more like Israel, basically an ethnostate.

I’m focused on Ian because let’s be real that religion produces more terrorists than others.