There is only one God

[gingerjfl]

Debate me im entirely certain that the Christ is Lord.

 

[liberty]

god doesnt exist, theres nothing

 

[Deleted member 120487]

same
i was slavic pagan for 8 years and now im orthodox christian

you will get insulted by 15 year old atheists tho

 

[Deleted member 118164]

Debate me im entirely certain that the Christ is Lord.

you are right bro

 

[gingerjfl]

god doesnt exist, theres nothing

in a perfectly organised world what leads you to believe this?

 

[liberty]

in a perfectly organised world what leads you to believe this?

its not perfectly organized

 

[Deleted member 62787]

in a perfectly organised world what leads you to believe this?

Fine tuning arguement?

 

[gingerjfl]

god doesnt exist, theres nothin

its not perfectly organized

name one thing you deem an err of creation

 

[gingerjfl]

Fine tuning arguement?

its one of many infallible arguments

 

[liberty]

name one err of creation

the existence of suffering

 

[optimisticzoomer]

in a perfectly organised world what leads you to believe this?

It's a simple fact that all ideas of god are a human concept

Whether there is anything that resembles "god" is beyond our knowledge

 

[gingerjfl]

the existence of suffering

Thats the fault of man, man is an imperfect being, man chose free will, free will is the most loving gift an all loving God could give, God made man imperfect because of the heirarchy of creation and their amounts of grace. Its an entirely perfect cycle.

 

[R@m@]

god doesnt exist, theres nothing

We arent sure

 

[gingerjfl]

It's a simple fact that all ideas of god are a human concept

Whether there is anything that resembles "god" is beyond our knowledge

Is it? Just like a jaguar is a human concept? If it was witnessed by man that is empirical evidence not a concept.

 

[liberty]

Thats the fault of man, man is an imperfect being, man chose free will, free will is the most loving gift an all loving God could give, God made man imperfect because of the heirarchy of creation and their amounts of grace. Its an entirely perfect cycle.

Its an imperfect cycle. A perfect cycle would involve no suffering.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Is it? Just like a jaguar is a human concept? If it was witnessed by man that is empirical evidence not a concept.

No evidence
I could argue it's a story book

Most Christians don't even take the bible stories as fact, more the idea

Idk about the other books

 

[gingerjfl]

We arent sure

i am sure; i am human, ergo some of us are sure.

 

[134applesauce456]

the existence of suffering

who said suffering wasn't intended?

I mean suffering is a powerful tool for growth, resilience , and perseverance. It's a good lesson teacher. If the sky was never dark you can't see stars

 

[gingerjfl]

No evidence
I could argue it's a story book

Most Christians don't even take the bible stories as fact, more the idea

Idk about the other books

thats a protestant notion, most actual catholics and orthodox believe the stories to be literal truths or metaphorical teachings of the Christ and his character.

 

[liberty]

who said suffering wasn't intended?

I mean suffering is a powerful tool for growth, resilience , and perseverance. It's a good lesson teacher. If the sky was never dark you can't see stars

You dont need growth, resilience or perseverance in a perfect universe. These are adaptive mechanisms for an imperfect world

 

[R@m@]

i am sure; i am human, ergo some of us are sure.

We are not sure and its beyond our comprehension, maybe we have souls and its part of our consciousness but we arent sure

Ive experienced ego death various times and if theres higher powers we are not ready to know about it

 

[optimisticzoomer]

thats a protestant notion, most actual catholics and orthodox believe the stories to be literal truths or metaphorical teachings of the Christ and his character.

Some of the stuff like Noah's ark is clearly nonsensical

 

[gingerjfl]

Its an imperfect cycle. A perfect cycle would involve no suffering.

No, suffering is of our own fault and we are imperfect, its an indirect 'fault' if a you really insist it to be fault, also the hierarchy of creation demands some beings to be lesser, its a beautiful and perfect system.

 

[gingerjfl]

Some of the stuff like Noah's ark is clearly nonsensical

why is it nonsensical?

 

[iaia]

who said suffering wasn't intended?

I mean suffering is a powerful tool for growth, resilience , and perseverance. It's a good lesson teacher. If the sky was never dark you can't see stars

If suffering wasn't a thing people wouldn't try to ascend once a wise man said

 

[gingerjfl]

We are not sure and its beyond our comprehension, maybe we have souls and its part of our consciousness but we arent sure

Ive experienced ego death various times and if theres higher powers we are not ready to know about it

you cant fathom the concept of a divine diety? im sure i can.

 

[asdvek]

in a perfectly organised world what leads you to believe this?

ok? and what makes u think christ is the god and not allah or something else

 

[fluxx]

chad doesnt debate guys

 

[gingerjfl]

ok? and what makes u think christ is the god and not allah or something else

because allah was only invented even as a written concept centuries later, i have read many religious texts and found discrepencies in teachings where the Bible holds infallible.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

why is it nonsensical?

Two of every land animal on a boat?
What about space?
What about predators?
What about animals nowhere near the coast?
What about the fact some guy wouldn't be able to cover every inch of the globe?

Which part of it makes sense?

 

[R@m@]

chad doesnt debate guys

Buuut chud does

 

[liberty]

No, suffering is of our own fault and we are imperfect, its an indirect 'fault'

fault and imperfection exist in a perfect world? sounds contradictory

also the hierarchy of creation demands some beings to be lesser, its a beautiful and perfect system.

a hierarchy which demands things to be lesser, and things being lesser brings about suffering, is a repulsive and imperfect system

 

[gingerjfl]

Two of every land animal on a boat?
What about space?
What about predators?
What about animals nowhere near the coast?
What about the fact some guy wouldn't be able to cover every inch of the globe?

Which part of it makes sense?

'some guy' i cant tell if this is ragebait, its a deity of omnipotence, this is entirely a reasonable feat.

 

[asdvek]

because allah was only invented even as a written concept centuries later, i have read many religious texts and found discrepencies in teachings where the Bible holds infallible.

And christ isnt? How can jesus be a god if hes a human like us, he pissed, shat, cummed

 

[optimisticzoomer]

'some guy' i cant tell if this is ragebait, its a deity of omnipotence, this is entirely a reasonable feat.

Didn't give a single valid point

 

[optimisticzoomer]

And christ isnt? How can jesus be a god if hes a human like us, he pissed, shat, cummed

I don't cum

 

[gingerjfl]

fault and imperfection exist in a perfect world? sounds contradictory


a hierarchy which demands things to be lesser, and things being lesser brings about suffering, is a repulsive and imperfect system

why does it sound contradictory? please genuinly consider why that seems contradictory because it doesnt seem that way to me given the circumstance of its necessity.

its not imperfect, it would be illogical for anything that is created from nothingness to be equal with its creator.

 

[asdvek]

I don't cum

U should

 

[optimisticzoomer]

U should

It's been 60 years of retention, I shall continue for the rest of my life

 

[gingerjfl]

And christ isnt? How can jesus be a god if hes a human like us, he pissed, shat, cummed

becuase he was also entirely human?

 

[asdvek]

becuase he was also entirely human?

So why are u worshipping another human being, are u gay

 

[gingerjfl]

Didn't give a single valid point

how was it invalid? you said it would be impossible for an individual to put all animals on a giant ark and i said its entirely plausible if that individual had godly traits. Seems like a logical line of argument to me.

 

[gingerjfl]

So why are u worshipping another human being, are u gay

Because he is also entirely divine, the one true God in flesh who gave his life for mere sinners like me and you.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

how was it invalid? you said it would be impossible for an individual to put all animals on a giant ark and i said its entirely plausible if that individual had godly traits. Seems like a logical line of argument to me.

Just use magic as a counterargument theory

 

[gingerjfl]

Just use magic as a counterargument theory

you disregarded his divinity, that is the more ridiculous point at hand.

 

[Deleted member 115987]

shoboingboing

 

[liberty]

why does it sound contradictory? please genuinly consider why that seems contradictory because it doesnt seem that way to me given the circumstance of its necessity.

why is it necessary?

and why would anything be necessary for an all-powerful god? he should be able to subvert all necessities, if he's the commander of the universe

 

[optimisticzoomer]

you disregarded his divinity, that is the more ridiculous point at hand.

Just blindly believe anything theory

Of course someone who doesn't believe that shit would "disregard his divinity".

If these people even existed, they were obvious con men. You see similar cults elsewhere

 

[gingerjfl]

why is it necessary?

and why would anything be necessary for an all-powerful god? he should be able to subvert all necessities, if he's the commander of the universe

its necessary as the offer of free will was the most loving outcome, our choosing it was our own fault, not one of these couldve been averted

its an actual necessity in the sense it is in line with his character, all all-powerful God woul have the best character, then always keep in following with this impeccible character.

 

[gingerjfl]

Just blindly believe anything theory

Of course someone who doesn't believe that shit would "disregard his divinity".

If these people even existed, they were obvious con men. You see similar cults elsewhere

con men? is that why almost every single one of these preachers were executed horrifically for their belief alone and none profited whatsoever, they just did it to be pejorated by society?