There’s genuinely no more arguments for classical theism anymore

[ICXCLuvr]

They all ran out and each one has 3 counter argument

Christians need to go back to saying “god can’t be disproven or proven” as a cop out lmao

 

[proxxyy11]

TRVKE

RELIGIONCELS ARE BRAINDEAD RETARDED COPERS

 

[mltnisme124]

TRVKE

RELIGIONCELS ARE BRAINDEAD RETARDED COPERS

Who would genuinely believe in it anyways lol, religion is dumb

 

[NoidFiggerJew67]

religioncels when you ask them why peter scully was allowed to exist

 

[mltnisme124]

religioncels when you ask them why peter scully was allowed to exist
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“MUH FREE WILL”, nigga is an evil guy whos still alive

 

[Mr Trucel]

Why do you care so much about what other people believe in

 

[proxxyy11]

religioncels when you ask them why peter scully was allowed to exist
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“because good cant exist without evil”

yes it can retarded nigger

 

[proxxyy11]

Why do you care so much about what other people believe in

pointing out the idiocracy of others beliefs is not the same as genuinely caring.

people can believe whatever they want to believe, even a giant ageplaying pedo who wears diapers and shit the world out for all i care

 

[sha]

wow first time agreeing with this guy

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Why do you care so much about what other people believe in

It has effects on the world but ultimately it’s fun to debate them.

I’ve done it for a while now and I think I have a solid argument for his non existence

 

[JewishNationalist]

They all ran out and each one has 3 counter argument

Christians need to go back to saying “god can’t be disproven or proven” as a cop out lmao

they are right that god can't be proven or disproven, thats why i prefer to not believe in that shit. just some made up shit definitely, no reason to seriously believe in that.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

they are right that god can't be proven or disproven, thats why i prefer to not believe in that shit. just some made up shit definitely, no reason to seriously believe in that.

Classical god can be disproven.

 

[JewishNationalist]

Classical god can be disproven.

ok then, disprove him

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Wait

 

[ICXCLuvr]

ok then, disprove him

Premise 1: Human experience reduces entirely to joy or suffering, making the maximization of bliss and minimization of pain the ultimate driver of all action.


Premise 2: "Virtue" “free will” and "character" are not intrinsic ends, but merely instrumental tools used to reduce suffering in a flawed environment.


Premise 3: An all good God’s objective must be the complete maximization of joy and total elimination of suffering for conscious beings.


Premise 4: An all powerful God can directly grant total bliss without relying on intermediate tools, tradeoffs, or testing mechanisms.


Premise 5: Any degree of discomfort or suffering no matter how small proves reality is not maximized for bliss.


Conclusion: Therefore, an all powerful, all good God does not exist, as any permitted pain is an unforced design flaw.

@xye

 

[no1softee]

They all ran out and each one has 3 counter argument

Christians need to go back to saying “god can’t be disproven or proven” as a cop out lmao

Religion is dumb and discredits others’ struggles
It’s arrogant to believe you know the reason behind the universe

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Religion is dumb and discredits others’ struggles
It’s arrogant to believe you know the reason behind the universe

Le first cause

 

[H72]

Let people believe in what there want

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Let people believe in what there want

I wanna debate them

 

[H72]

I wanna debate them

Boasting your religious status doesnt make you any more holy in gods eyes all you can do is preach to people who don’t care

 

[Mr Trucel]

Premise 1: Human experience reduces entirely to joy or suffering, making the maximization of bliss and minimization of pain the ultimate driver of all action.


Premise 2: "Virtue" “free will” and "character" are not intrinsic ends, but merely instrumental tools used to reduce suffering in a flawed environment.


Premise 3: An all good God’s objective must be the complete maximization of joy and total elimination of suffering for conscious beings.


Premise 4: An all powerful God can directly grant total bliss without relying on intermediate tools, tradeoffs, or testing mechanisms.


Premise 5: Any degree of discomfort or suffering no matter how small proves reality is not maximized for bliss.


Conclusion: Therefore, an all powerful, all good God does not exist, as any permitted pain is an unforced design flaw.

@xye

Destroying pain and suffering would get rid of free will. Jesus Christ himself suffered intense suffering and pain due to his sacrifice

 

[JewishNationalist]

Premise 1: Human experience reduces entirely to joy or suffering, making the maximization of bliss and minimization of pain the ultimate driver of all action.


Premise 2: "Virtue" “free will” and "character" are not intrinsic ends, but merely instrumental tools used to reduce suffering in a flawed environment.


Premise 3: An all good God’s objective must be the complete maximization of joy and total elimination of suffering for conscious beings.


Premise 4: An all powerful God can directly grant total bliss without relying on intermediate tools, tradeoffs, or testing mechanisms.


Premise 5: Any degree of discomfort or suffering no matter how small proves reality is not maximized for bliss.


Conclusion: Therefore, an all powerful, all good God does not exist, as any permitted pain is an unforced design flaw.

@xye

sounds logical until you find out that human experience doesn't reduce to joy and suffering
although even in this case it doesn't sound logical because.... perhaps all powerful all good god just doesn't give a shit about you thus doesn't care if you suffer or feel pleasure. it more like depends how you define what means all good

 

[JewishNationalist]

Destroying pain and suffering would get rid of free will. Jesus Christ himself suffered intense suffering and pain due to his sacrifice

free will doesn't exist but yeah reducing human experience to pain and pleasure is retarded

 

[iblamechico]

Classical theism assigns the trait Omni benevolence to god. That's the biggest issue.

 

[ICXCLuvr]

sounds logical until you find out that human experience doesn't reduce to joy and suffering

Everything you do is to fulfill a desire or to stop potential suffering

perhaps all powerful all good god just doesn't give a shit about you thus doesn't care if you suffer or feel pleasure

that would not work under the classical definition of god

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Classical theism assigns the trait Omni benevolence to god. That's the biggest issue.

If they didn’t then it could work but it’d just be deism and not really a religion

Destroying pain and suffering would get rid of free will. Jesus Christ himself suffered intense suffering and pain due to his sacrifice

see premise 2.

Boasting your religious status doesnt make you any more holy in gods eyes all you can do is preach to people who don’t care

Well both of us like to debate so it’s ok

 

[H72]

If they didn’t then it could work but it’d just be deism and not really a religion

see premise 2.

Well both of us like to debate so it’s ok

My debates are illogical schizophrenic and hypocritical

 

[ICXCLuvr]

Destroying pain and suffering would get rid of free will. Jesus Christ himself suffered intense suffering and pain due to his sacrifice

Also I don’t really value free will,

I think the perfect logically state of existence under a classical god is one that is a state of existence where you are filled with endless bliss. Not a world with free will and decisions. Ofc this world lacks meaning but meaning isn’t intrinsically good

 

[JewishNationalist]

Everything you do is to fulfill a desire or to stop potential suffering

that would not work under the classical definition of god

very untrue. pleasure is not the only motivation to do shit, you sometimes do something to become stronger, the powerful. its not about pleasure. if it was all about pleasure then everyone would be a drug addict now.
and classical definition of god usually means all good all knowing all powerful. but it doesn't necessary imply your own definition of whats good and whats bad lmfao. perhaps god is not a hedonist lol

 

[ICXCLuvr]

you sometimes do something to become stronger, the powerful

Being stronger makes you happy.

if it was all about pleasure then everyone would be a drug addict now.

Being a drug addict has other effects that can ruin your life and make you unhappy, planning in the long run for decisions makes you happy. You can’t escape the premise.

but it doesn't necessary imply your own definition of whats good and whats bad lmfao. perhaps god is not a hedonist lol

Gratuitous suffering is universally seen as bad across every moral framework

 

[JewishNationalist]

Being stronger makes you happy.

Being a drug addict has other effects that can ruin your life and make you unhappy, planning in the long run for decisions makes you happy. You can’t escape the premise.

Gratuitous suffering is universally seen as bad across every moral framework

retarded hedonist assumption that pleasure is meaning of life
i was proven that most people wouldn't like to feel pleasure 24/7 of the time

 

[ICXCLuvr]

retarded hedonist assumption that pleasure is good on its own (no)

Then what is good? And what is the purpose of things that are good? No matter how you boil it down it is maximize joy and happiness. Morality exists to maximize joy and limit suffering, you say don’t stab people because it would make someone unhappy and suffer

Morality cannot exist independently of happiness or suffering lol

i was proven that most people wouldn't like to feel pleasure 24/7 of the time

Then Why are we here living? Traceback every thing someone does in their daily life. This is true of all conscious organisms too.

 

[JewishNationalist]

Then what is good? And what is the purpose of things that are good? No matter how you boil it down it is maximize joy and happiness. Morality exists to maximize joy and limit suffering, you say don’t stab people because it would make someone unhappy and suffer

Morality cannot exist independently of happiness or suffering lol

good is all that increases power, feeling of power and power itself in man. its not necessary about pleasure

Then Why are we here living? Traceback every thing someone does in their daily life. This is true of all conscious organisms too.

all is do is to increase my power, not pleasure

 

[ICXCLuvr]

good is all that increases power, feeling of power and power itself in man. its not necessary about pleasure

I’ve never heard of this unique definition of morality, so punching someone and dominating them is good then? It makes you feel powerful. Also feeling powerful is quite subjective, winning in a video game makes someone feel powerful, it’s the ultimate good now I guess

all is do is to increase my power, not pleasure

having power brings you joy.

You are probably just some edgy kid not yet suitable for these type of topics lol. That’s why I had to re explain the framework multiple times to you. Goodnight

 

[JewishNationalist]

I’ve never heard of this unique definition of morality, so punching someone and dominating them is good then? It makes you feel powerful. Also feeling powerful is quite subjective, winning in a video game makes someone feel powerful, it’s the ultimate good now I guess

yes domination and punching weaklings is a sign that you are good, because weakness itself is bad. and pleasure here is more like a bonus for being powerful, but again, pleasure is not good/bad on its own, neither suffering is

having power brings you joy.

baseless claim

You are probably just some edgy kid not yet suitable for these type of topics lol. That’s why I had to re explain the framework multiple times to you. Goodnight

okay, keep thinking that pleasure is the greatest good lmfao