Thinking of not getting my HairTransplant after all.

[Deleted member 17578]

While my hairline isn't great (norwood 2.5 - norwood 3) it is 'acceptable'. Especially for a guy in his late twenties. Not to mention that I can hide it with curtains and I get told I look reasonably young with that hairstyle (i get my ID checked every now and then with my curtains).

Anyways the concerns I have gotten over the past few days:

1)I've seen a lot of transplants with mediocre results from all kinds of clinics. I feel like I would rather have my current hairline, than a mediocre looking 'better' hairline when it doesn't look purely natural. Doesn't have the perfect density, etc.
2)While the clinic I have my transplant booked with is reputable, it is not top of the line. It's about 50% of the cost of a toptier HT-clinic though. I cant afford more at this point. I could wait, save more money, and do it with a better clinic to get a better result somewhere in the future (2-3years). Especially because I also want to fill in my temple points which is not something that the average HT-clinic can handle well so they might botch it
3)I want to start using minox on my hairline+temple points and see the bit of results I can get from that.

Conclusion:
I feel like I am playing lottery with my hairline and it could easily end up worse than it is right now (unacceptable). While in the best case scenario I could maybe get a 0.25PSL boost.

I will probably lose a few thousand euros since I already signed the contracts for the HT. But it's sunk-cost fallacy to go through with something when I am not 100% sure of it in my opinoin. I'd rather lose the few k than get botched if u know what i mean.

Thoughts?

@Gargantuan @Artemis

 

[Deleted member 16501]

Are u on medication? If so is it preventing further recession?

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Are u on medication? If so is it preventing further recession?

My hairline already stabilized in my early 20s. I've been paying attention closely from age 20-25 and it stayed the same.

I hoped on fin anyways as a preventative measure. Have not seen meaningfull regrowth and my hairline has remained the same for the past 2 years just like it did 20-25yo.

 

[Suimaxxer]

Just use minox and fin

 

[Artemis]

Don't be a pussy and do it. This is just a meme operation which can improve your looks. NO plastic surgery will ever give you guarantee. But if your HT fails, you can at least shave it off... or get another one...

No one will do your temple points EVER if they are ethic doctors. The reason is that the hairloss in the temples is a lot more obvious than in the hairline. You will literally have a bunch of hair growing in the corners of your forehead, and baldness behind, if your recession progresses.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Just use minox and fin

already using fin. minox wont have tangible results for hairline restoration. You dont know what you are talking about whatsoever.

 

[Artemis]

minox wont have tangible results for hairline restoration

You are wrong.

Minox + microneedling regrows the hairline. I tried, it grew some hairs. But it is very slow, so prepare to wait for a year or two before anything grows at all.

 

[Suimaxxer]

already using fin. minox wont have tangible results for hairline restoration. You dont know what you are talking about whatsoever.

I wasnt talking about hairline restoration, but hair loss prevention

 

[Deleted member 16501]

My hairline already stabilized in my early 20s. I've been paying attention closely from age 20-25 and it stayed the same.

I hoped on fin anyways as a preventative measure. Have not seen meaningfull regrowth and my hairline has remained the same for the past 2 years just like it did 20-25yo.

OK. Just my opinion bro, but I wouldn't get the transplant.

I saw that video of yourself you posted yesterday on another thread- you look chadlite and your hair looks good. For a white guy in his late 20s your hairline is completely normal, and if it's stabilizing, it's no issue.

Definitely watch out for further recession, and stay on fin if no side effects.

Also, even if it does end up going back, then now wouldn't really be a good time to get the HT- because then it will leave a gap post transplant when it starts to recess.

Spend those thousands on a surgery to ascend yourself to chad.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Don't be a pussy and do it. This is just a meme operation which can improve your looks. NO plastic surgery will ever give you guarantee.

Idk what ur talking about. This has nothing to do with being a pussy. And wtf is a 'meme operation'. ?!? u think im joking around?

But if your HT fails, you can at least shave it off... or get another one...

It will take ~1 year of having shit-tier hair after a HT.

'lol just shave it off' if it fails is terrible advice. That would destroy my SMV.

Get another one, yeah I could do that if it is failed. But I don't think anyone wants to go through a botched HT and needing to have it fixed with another one.

No one will do your temple points EVER if they are ethic doctors. The reason is that the hairloss in the temples is a lot more obvious than in the hairline. You will literally have a bunch of hair growing in the corners of your forehead, and baldness behind, if your recession progresses.

Which makes it weird that this clinic agreed to do it without much consideration. but i've seen decent temple point restaurations so it can be done.

 

[MoggerChad]

The main thing to consider is graft waste. Grafts that you transplant which don't end up growing back. Those grafts are lost and will limit your future ht potential. While you can get your money back, lost grafts are lost forever. Which is why it's important to do it at a top tier clinic.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

I wasnt talking about hairline restoration, but hair loss prevention

I am not talking about hair loss prevention, but hairline restoration. So idk why u brought this up then.

I am not interested in hair loss preventation. This is not an issue at this point in time.

 

[Suimaxxer]

I am not talking about hair loss prevention, but hairline restoration. So idk why u brought this up then.

I am not interested in hair loss preventation. This is not an issue at this point in time.

Aight

 

[Deleted member 17578]

You are wrong.

Minox + microneedling regrows the hairline. I tried, it grew some hairs. But it is very slow, so prepare to wait for a year or two before anything grows at all.

Minox+microneedling isn't going to lower my hairline or fill in my temples where I have 0 (!!!) hair at this point.. At best it will make thin hairs on the hairline thicker/healthier again.

and yeah those timelines are accurate, also for fin. Fin takes 1-2 years aswell for any regrowth to happen.

 

[Artemis]

Idk what ur talking about. This has nothing to do with being a pussy. And wtf is a 'meme operation'. ?!? u think im joking around?

It is meme operation because it is not serious at all. THere are almost no risks.

It will take ~1 year of having shit-tier hair after a HT.

'lol just shave it off' if it fails is terrible advice. That would destroy my SMV.

Get another one, yeah I could do that if it is failed. But I don't think anyone wants to go through a botched HT and needing to have it fixed with another one.

Well you don't take risks, you don't reap benefits. Very simple.

Which makes it weird that this clinic agreed to do it without much consideration. but i've seen decent temple point restaurations so it can be done.

You've seen does not mean your clinic will be able to do the same. Neither does it mean that the patients you saw looked terrible a few years later.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

OK. Just my opinion bro, but I wouldn't get the transplant.

I saw that video of yourself you posted yesterday on another thread- you look chadlite and your hair looks good. For a white guy in his late 20s your hairline is completely normal, and if it's stabilizing, it's no issue.

Definitely watch out for further recession, and stay on fin if no side effects.

Also, even if it does end up going back, then now wouldn't really be a good time to get the HT- because then it will leave a gap post transplant when it starts to recess.

Spend those thousands on a surgery to ascend yourself to chad.

I look decent and most of my issues in life come from mental problems/blockades.

A HT could improve my looks and that would improve my life quality. But I know that the main improvement in life quality has to come mentally. Which makes me wonder why I would go through with a HT at this point in time, considering the potential side-effects.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

The main thing to consider is graft waste. Grafts that you transplant which don't end up growing back. Those grafts are lost and will limit your future ht potential. While you can get your money back, lost grafts are lost forever. Which is why it's important to do it at a top tier clinic.

The good thing is that they told me I have insanely good donor area. Average is 70 grafts/cm. I have over 100 grafts/cm for my donor. Up to 10k grafts for FUE transplants were available (they claimed) which would allow me to have 3-4 HTs over my lifetime.

I am just thinking about having a shitty result where my temples don't look the same density, look unnatural, weird. And having to go through a painfull multi-yearlong process and needing further repair-work done.

 

[Deleted member 16501]

I look decent and most of my issues in life come from mental problems/blockades.

A HT could improve my looks and that would improve my life quality. But I know that the main improvement in life quality has to come mentally. Which makes me wonder why I would go through with a HT at this point in time, considering the potential side-effects.

You are on the right path if this is what you believe. I am the same- focussing on mental health the last few months rather than looksmaxxing, and my mental health has improved astronomically.

It's up to you whether to get the HT or not. Like you said though, better to lose a few K than for it to be botched

 

[Deleted member 17578]

It is meme operation because it is not serious at all. THere are almost no risks.

There are no health-risks involved. That's true.

But I am talking about the risk of looking worse-off afterwards, than before.

Well you don't take risks, you don't reap benefits. Very simple.

Point is to maximize risk/reward obviously.

You've seen does not mean your clinic will be able to do the same. Neither does it mean that the patients you saw looked terrible a few years later.

exactly

 

[MoggerChad]

The good thing is that they told me I have insanely good donor area. Average is 70 grafts/cm. I have over 100 grafts/cm for my donor. Up to 10k grafts for FUE transplants were available (they claimed) which would allow me to have 3-4 HTs over my lifetime.

I am just thinking about having a shitty result where my temples don't look the same density, look unnatural, weird. And having to go through a painfull multi-yearlong process and needing further repair-work done.

10k might still be not enough if you ever reach nw5+

Which is why its crucial to waste no grafts

 

[Pendejo]

I am the same- focussing on mental health the last few months rather than looksmaxxing, and my mental health has improved astronomically.

How?

 

[Deleted member 17578]

10k might still be not enough if you ever reach nw5+

Which is why its crucial to waste no grafts

im mostly realizing that what I want is a new hairline which takes skill. Not fixing some completely bald norwood5 hairline where every bit of hair is already an improvement.

 

[Deleted member 16501]

How?

I just worked out over the year before when I was roiding and lifting a lot, and feeling no better afterwards mentally....that it wasn't looksmaxxing that was gonna make me happy. the thoughts in my head were fucked up

started just taking some time every day to sit and think, meditate...slow everything down...Took a lot of CBD oil daily to help me relax

then read spiritual texts, journalled etc

became Orthodox Christian recently

 

[max_frisch]

1. never let price dictate your decision when it comes to ht
2. admittely even top docs can have major fuck ups so there is always a big risk. however you can minimize the risk by choosing a top doc.
3. with a failed ht you will lose 2 years (1 year that comes with every ht, another year for the repair)

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Strongly thinking of cancelling my procedure and doing it in the future (2024) with a toptier professional clinic instead

 

[Deleted member 17578]

1. never let price dictate your decision when it comes to ht
2. admittely even top docs can have major fuck ups so there is always a big risk. however you can minimize the risk by choosing a top doc.
3. with a failed ht you will lose 2 years (1 year that comes with every ht, another year for the repair)

thinking of hiding my hair with curtains for the time being, seeing what limited results minox on hairline+temporal points can bring me in the meantime. And getting it done good and professional in 1-2 years instead.

Thinking of Dr. Bruno Ferreira (portugal)

 

[max_frisch]

thinking of hiding my hair with curtains for the time being, seeing what limited results minox on hairline+temporal points can bring me in the meantime. And getting it done good and professional in 1-2 years instead.

Thinking of Dr. Bruno Ferreira (portugal)

good doctor

 

[max_frisch]

Strongly thinking of cancelling my procedure and doing it in the future (2024) with a toptier professional clinic instead

its really your decison

1. top docs can have fuck ups
2. unknown docs can have good results

however who are the chances? its all statistics and chances.

and what is your responsibility to yourself when it comes to surgery. you do not take part in the surgery, you can only influence what surgery you choose and what surgeon. everything else is out of your power

 

[khvirgin]

I always surgery would be wasted on you because of your mindset

 

[Kroker]

thinking of hiding my hair with curtains for the time being, seeing what limited results minox on hairline+temporal points can bring me in the meantime. And getting it done good and professional in 1-2 years instead.

Thinking of Dr. Bruno Ferreira (portugal)

Dr Rahal in Canada is top tier with hairline/temple points restoration.

Not to mention Dr Ziering, A list HT surgeon.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

density depends on how many grafts you get. if you have meh density, you can get a revision. i don't see the problem boyo.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

its really your decison

1. top docs can have fuck ups
2. unknown docs can have good results

however who are the chances? its all statistics and chances.

and what is your responsibility to yourself when it comes to surgery. you do not take part in the surgery, you can only influence what surgery you choose and what surgeon. everything else is out of your power

I think my best course of action is to hide my hairline with curtains for the next 2 years and then have my hairline done by the best possible doctor tbh.

In the mean-time I have curtains to hide my hairline and focus on mental-maxxing.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

density depends on how many grafts you get. if you have meh density, you can get a revision. i don't see the problem boyo.

It's also about the direction they transplant the hairs in, overall design of the hairline + where they put the multiple hairgrafts.

I felt like the current hair-clinic is somewhat amateurish and I would be potentially wasting 1-2 years of my life in stress/poor-looks unnecessairily.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

It's also about the direction they transplant the hairs in, overall design of the hairline + where they put the multiple hairgrafts.

I felt like the current hair-clinic is somewhat amateurish and I would be potentially wasting 1-2 years of my life in stress/poor-looks unnecessairily.

idk i assumed you put enough research into how good they are

 

[Deleted member 17578]

idk i assumed you put enough research into how good they are

They are good, but not elite.

I have overall distrust of the quality of work of average people (not cheap/shit) as I feel like the average person is amateurish and careless in general.

 

[cytoplasm]

Yeah don't do it. Wasting the last few years of your 20s looking like shit is not a good idea. Maybe give oral min a try if you haven't already

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Good decision, hair transplants aren't worth it at all.
they always look sparse, flaky it's the same reason i'll never do an eyebrow transplant

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Good decision, hair transplants aren't worth it at all.
they always look sparse, flaky it's the same reason i'll never do an eyebrow transplant

I can look youthfull with curtains for now. I can get a toptier HT done in my early 30s when I become a wagie.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

I can look youthfull with curtains for now. I can get a toptier HT done in my early 30s when I become a wagie.

Dutch HT surgeons are dogshit anyways the closest top surgeon is Dr bizanga in belgium, but I fear if you look up his picture that you wouldn't trust him

 

[JovenCansao]

Have you tried microneedling yet?

 

[max_frisch]

Dutch HT surgeons are dogshit anyways the closest top surgeon is Dr bizanga in belgium, but I fear if you look up his picture that you wouldn't trust him

dr munib ahmad from amsterdam posts good results but i think he is a narcissistic and possible psychopath

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Have you tried microneedling yet?

microneedling and minox aren't worth it longterm ngl too much commitment needed i'd rather just pop 1 fin pill per day and forget about it

 

[Deleted member 18522]

Based.

Do it in Istanbul and pick up a Turkish girlfriend while you're at it

 

[JovenCansao]

microneedling and minox aren't worth it longterm ngl too much commitment needed i'd rather just pop 1 fin pill per day and forget about it

Microneedling gives better results than minox and you don't have to do it daily, just a few times a week and doesn't have the chance of messing with your hormones like fin does.
But if going bald is better for you than just a few minutes a week of treatment, that's on you, perhaps the Norwood reaper hasn't made you insane yet.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

dr munib ahmad from amsterdam posts good results but i think he is a narcissistic and possible psychopath

I haven't done proper research into him but I bet he's a turkish surgeon who moved here so he can charge more, if your'e going to a surgeon called ahmed then ur better off travelling to turkey i'd say.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Microneedling gives better results than minox and you don't have to do it daily, just a few times a week and doesn't have the chance of messing with your hormones like fin does.
But if going bald is better for you than just a few minutes a week of treatment, that's on you, perhaps the Norwood reaper hasn't made you insane yet.

I have everything in store, minox, RU, dut, fin and a professional microneedling machine. But for now I only use fin and ru and they work fine for me. i'm nw0.5ish but i'm paranoid af about it

 

[max_frisch]

I haven't done proper research into him but I bet he's a turkish surgeon who moved here so he can charge more, if your'e going to a surgeon called ahmed then ur better off travelling to turkey i'd say.

https://www.instagram.com/fuegenixhaarkliniek/?hl=de

no idea where he is from

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Dutch HT surgeons are dogshit anyways the closest top surgeon is Dr bizanga in belgium, but I fear if you look up his picture that you wouldn't trust him

Legit theres only like 1 good one

 

[Deleted member 17578]

microneedling and minox aren't worth it longterm ngl too much commitment needed i'd rather just pop 1 fin pill per day and forget about it

Ive started with minox on beard daily since 2 weeks and it takes very little effort. Ill start applying to hairline and temple points (not full scalp) aswell. Add microneedling 0.5mm once a week/2weeks i think its an okay routine

 

[KingBetaTut]

Just improve your mental health instead of hairline theory