Thinking of not getting my HairTransplant after all.

[thereallegend]

already using fin. minox wont have tangible results for hairline restoration. You dont know what you are talking about whatsoever.

Hop on oral minox bro @szolliontaraelis can tell u it lowered or hairlines

topical minox is garbage

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Hop on oral minox bro @szolliontaraelis can tell u it lowered or hairlines

topical minox is garbage

im gonna keep doing minox+derma-rolling on beard as it doesnt force me to do it untill the end of time. I can quit and keep beard-gains.
Not do it on head/temple-points for now.

Keep doing fin 3mg/week
No HT for now. But plan on doing it professionally in 2-3 years instead of cheaping out. Curtains can cope for now.

2023:
-No more looksmaxxing beyond the basic essentials (retin, spf, lifts, moisturizer, exercise, diet, supplements, fin). Getting a better wardrobe.
-Browse this forum less.
-Focus on mental health and allowing myself to enjoy life.
-Get career ambitions back on track, stopping the rot.
-Getting positive social interaction, friends, girlfriend, fwbs.

Re-evaluate the HT in 2-3 years when I have a proper job, no longer studying.

Is what it is and what needs to be done.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

im gonna keep doing minox+derma-rolling on beard as it doesnt force me to do it untill the end of time. I can quit and keep beard-gains.
Not do it on head/temple-points for now.

Keep doing fin 3mg/week
No HT for now. But plan on doing it professionally in 2-3 years instead of cheaping out. Curtains can cope for now.

2023:
-No more looksmaxxing beyond the basic essentials (retin, spf, lifts, moisturizer, exercise, diet, supplements, fin). Getting a better wardrobe.
-Browse this forum less.
-Focus on mental health and allowing myself to enjoy life.
-Get career ambitions back on track, stopping the rot.
-Getting positive social interaction, friends, girlfriend, fwbs.

Re-evaluate the HT in 2-3 years when I have a proper job, no longer studying.

Is what it is and what needs to be done.

Most important is fixing my personality. I have a very cool personality inside me tbh, but it fails to show properly due to trauma and resulting high inhib/anxiety.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

tbh now im thinking of going through with the surgery anyways.

jfl at my fucking brain, i hate this shit.

 

[max_frisch]

tbh now im thinking of going through with the surgery anyways.

jfl at my fucking brain, i hate this shit.

were you always high anixiety or just since youre on fin

quit for a few month and see if you notice a difference

 

[Deleted member 17578]

were you always high anixiety or just since youre on fin

quit for a few month and see if you notice a difference

i became high anxiety/inhib in my teenage years. its not the fin, i only took that since 2 years.

im thinking of going through with the HT anyways and fixing it if they botch it at this point, or increase density afterwards if needed

 

[Bashan]

Do, not do. Hair, no hair. Yesterday is history and tomorrow is a mystery!

You might do it and get fucked up. You might not do it and get fucked up. My dad used to tell me that if something is cheap, it'll eventually get more expensive than the 'expensive' option. I never pay for half shit, I hate risks like that. I'd rather my mind to rest as much as it can.

You literally going back and forth, not worth it. I would prefer a good clinic I can count on with great results and support. Your option is too shady and weird, you're not sure of them or yourself. Why do it? You don't have any spare mental health points to lose over this.

You clearly don't trust the process.

 

[Deleted member 20652]

Get the transplant bro. Get some 10 % minox and dutasteride too

Hair is life

//Thomas DOM

 

[Deleted member 17578]

Do, not do. Hair, no hair. Yesterday is history and tomorrow is a mystery!

You might do it and get fucked up. You might not do it and get fucked up. My dad used to tell me that if something is cheap, it'll eventually get more expensive than the 'expensive' option. I never pay for half shit, I hate risks like that. I'd rather my mind to rest as much as it can.

You literally going back and forth, not worth it. I would prefer a good clinic I can count on with great results and support. Your option is too shady and weird, you're not sure of them or yourself. Why do it? You don't have any spare mental health points to lose over this.

You clearly don't trust the process.

ive been looking up more results from the clinic and im somewhat dissapointed despite it being a decent clinic, its not a top-tier one.

if I would have a procedure like this done at a clinic of high standard, I would have to pay 50% more though. (9000 euro instead of 6000)

 

[Bashan]

ive been looking up more results from the clinic and im somewhat dissapointed despite it being a decent clinic, its not a top-tier one.

if I would have a procedure like this done at a clinic of high standard, I would have to pay 50% more though. (9000 euro instead of 6000)

Save and wait. You're young. You can either do it safe (as possible) or half ass it because you hurry up and broke and get even more fucked up mentally. If hair is life, why let ahmad be your god?

 

[max_frisch]

i became high anxiety/inhib in my teenage years. its not the fin, i only took that since 2 years.

im thinking of going through with the HT anyways and fixing it if they botch it at this point, or increase density afterwards if needed

could you deal with a botched job mentally? like getting a repair surgery (do you have the money for this?) and losing anothrr year?

 

[Deleted member 17578]

could you deal with a botched job mentally? like getting a repair surgery (do you have the money for this?) and losing anothrr year?

No I couldn't tbh. I would be destroyed mentally in my current state.

No money for repair surgery, but I could get it by the time I get through waiting lists for a respectable HT clinic (2 years from now). After which I would look bad for another year recovering from that transplant. so 3 years looking like shit. Idk, might break me mentally.

 

[Bashan]

No I couldn't tbh. I would be destroyed mentally in my current state.

No money for repair surgery, but I could get it by the time I get through waiting lists for a respectable HT clinic (2 years from now). After which I would look bad for another year recovering from that transplant. so 3 years looking like shit. Idk, might break me mentally.

You don't fuck with hair. You do it 100% or go home. You're not strong enough to deal with it anyway. You have too much going on.

 

[max_frisch]

No I couldn't tbh. I would be destroyed mentally in my current state.

No money for repair surgery, but I could get it by the time I get through waiting lists for a respectable HT clinic (2 years from now). After which I would look bad for another year recovering from that transplant. so 3 years looking like shit. Idk, might break me mentally.

a rational person would wait and get with a reputable surgeon

never go full retard bro, never go full retard

 

[Deleted member 17578]

You don't fuck with hair. You do it 100% or go home. You're not strong enough to deal with it anyway. You have too much going on.

this guy didnt use fin, very dumb. wouldnt be me.

I am more worried about ending up with something like this:

where it looks unnatural and low density.

 

[Bashan]

this guy didnt use fin, very dumb. wouldnt be me.

I am more worried about ending up with something like this:

where it looks unnatural and low density.

If the clinic posted shitty results that means it's a common occurrence and that's the best they've got. Otherwise why put shitty results? they literally think it's normal and part of the process.

Wait.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

If the clinic posted shitty results that means it's a common occurrence and that's the best they've got. Otherwise why put shitty results? they literally think it's normal and part of the process.

Wait.

the results they showed me were decent and were also lower density with less thick black hair than I had. So they told me that my results would definitely be even better.

But it was only a few results and im wondering why they didn't have more ngl.

I looked up some of their results online and results were very mixed tbh. 50/50 lottery

 

[Bashan]

the results they showed me were decent and were also lower density with less thick black hair than I had. So they told me that my results would definitely be even better.

But it was only a few results and im wondering why they didn't have more ngl.

I looked up some of their results online and results were very mixed tbh. 50/50 lottery

I wouldn't do it. 50/50 are horrible odds when it comes to any surgery. Only if you have no choice. If you don't fully trust them and you go with it you're a fool.

 

[Bashan]

So they told me that my results would definitely be even better.

They told that to many people for different reasons. I look at results.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

They told that to many people for different reasons. I look at results.

i also felt like I was speaking to a somewhat inexperienced person tbh. They even had someone else from their team come in at some point to help her draw-on the hairline. And she wasnt sure if they would do temporal point restoration and had to talk to 'her team' first.

made it seem somewhat amateurish ngl.

 

[max_frisch]

i also felt like I was speaking to a somewhat inexperienced person tbh. They even had someone else from their team come in at some point to help her draw-on the hairline. And she wasnt sure if they would do temporal point restoration and had to talk to 'her team' first.

made it seem somewhat amateurish ngl.

never go full retard

 

[Bashan]

i also felt like I was speaking to a somewhat inexperienced person tbh. They even had someone else from their team come in at some point to help her draw-on the hairline. And she wasnt sure if they would do temporal point restoration and had to talk to 'her team' first.

made it seem somewhat amateurish ngl.

I don't care what they're saying I only care about results.

Here's a case: my friend had a nose job (he was good looking with a subhuman nose) and he went to a couple of clinics and some of the doctors were nicer than others. He choose to have the surgery with the most brutal surgeon who talked to him like shit, why? because all he saw is results. You see the team can talk all they want but at the end of the day, what can they do with their knife? with their equipment?

I prefer a clinic full of psychopaths, past ex gang members with a record of killing endless people out of the clinic but with 100% satisfaction rate inside the clinic.

The nice people who tell you your results would be great! you have that one quality so it'll be even better - I don't give a rat ass.
All I care about is results. I would look at as many pictures as I can and make up my mind. I would make sure they're not fake or anything else too.

As for the friend, today he's a mogger.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

I don't care what they're saying I only care about results.

Here's a case: my friend had a nose job (he was good looking with a subhuman nose) and he went to a couple of clinics and some of the doctors were nicer than others. He choose to have the surgery with the most brutal surgeon who talked to him like shit, why? because all he saw is results. You see the team can talk all they want but at the end of the day, what can they do with their knife? with their equipment?

I prefer a clinic full of psychopaths, past ex gang members with a record of killing endless people out of the clinic but with 100% satisfaction rate inside the clinic.

The nice people who tell you your results would be great! you have that one quality so it'll be even better - I don't give a rat ass.
All I care about is results. I would look at as many pictures as I can and make up my mind. I would make sure they're not fake or anything else too.

As for the friend, today he's a mogger.

its tough man, cuz I am mentally in a very bad spot so I kinda want results right now. But at the same time I realize this shit could fuck me up for a longer period of time.

I should just quit this shit for now and only do leanmax. Trying to get my studies/life back together first and plan proper HT in a couple of months once im in a better mentality with a surgeon with good results.

 

[Bashan]

its tough man, cuz I am mentally in a very bad spot so I kinda want results right now. But at the same time I realize this shit could fuck me up for a longer period of time.

I should just quit this shit for now and only do leanmax. Trying to get my studies/life back together first and plan proper HT in a couple of months once im in a better mentality with a surgeon with good results.

You have time and you're young. Don't make silly mistakes, you remember what happened last time you played a risky game.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

You have time and you're young. Don't make silly mistakes, you remember what happened last time you played a risky game.

but I get what you mean. it's difficult cuz I don't really see a way out of my life situation right now. realistically even a toptier HT isn't going to magically make my life a whole lot better. Will need other changes

 

[Bashan]

but I get what you mean. it's difficult cuz I don't really see a way out of my life situation right now. realistically even a toptier HT isn't going to magically make my life a whole lot better. Will need other changes

Cool song, too bad timing is very important.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

this guy didnt use fin, very dumb. wouldnt be me.

I am more worried about ending up with something like this:

where it looks unnatural and low density.

just tell them in like a threatening way that they can't draw a straight hairline and that they should use single hair grafts at the front of the hairline and the double or triple hair grafts further back on your scalp.

that should prevent this

 

[Bashan]

just tell them in like a threatening way that they can't draw a straight hairline and that they should use single hair grafts at the front of the hairline and the double or triple hair grafts further back on your scalp.

that should prevent this

You don't tell a surgeon or his team how to do his / their job or he'll get mad at you. You don't threaten your fucking surgeon you either trust him or you don't.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

You don't tell a surgeon or his team how to do his / their job or he'll get mad at you. You don't threaten your fucking surgeon you either trust him or you don't.

you threaten him in a subtle way. that's the way to go people are stimulated by fear

 

[Bashan]

you threaten him in a subtle way. that's the way to go people are stimulated by fear

It'll do nothing. He either knows what he's doing or not. You can talk to him nicely but if he's persistent you just cancel it.

 

[Bashan]

people are stimulated by fear

He's a surgeon and OP is just a punk to him, he wouldn't give a shit. He'll keep doing what he think best.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

It'll do nothing. He either knows what he's doing or not. You can talk to him nicely but if he's persistent you just cancel it.

you plan a surgery beforehand and you just tell him to solely use single haired grafts at the front and you make clear that this is really fucking important to you.

 

[Bashan]

you plan a surgery beforehand and you just tell him to solely use single haired grafts at the front and you make clear that this is really fucking important to you.

Tbh if you give them advice and direction they'll just cancel on you and tell you you're not a good candidate for them because they're not fucking with anyone. Might work idk, most of the time it doesn't. I prefer a surgeon that you don't need to tell a word to. He'll do the talking.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Tbh if you give them advice and direction they'll just cancel on you and tell you you're not a good candidate for them because they're not fucking with anyone. Might work idk, most of the time it doesn't. I prefer a surgeon that you don't need to tell a word to.

nah bro they wanna make money, anyways OP you should be good aslong as the surgeon is doing the incisions and grafting himself and not a team of bimboos doing it for him because then you're fucked

 

[szolliontaraelis]

Hop on oral minox bro @szolliontaraelis can tell u it lowered or hairlines

topical minox is garbage

I didn’t lowered my hairline like that bro I take 10mg cialis e2d and massage my scalp like crazy for an hour. My hair was already thick but now it looks like a lion’s mane. It also made it grow super fast while thickening the little hairs on my upper forehead.

 

[Bashan]

nah bro they wanna make money, anyways OP you should be good aslong as the surgeon is doing the incisions and grafting himself and not a team of bimboos doing it for him because then you're fucked

Important to bring 1 person to the operating room to watch that it's only the doctor performing and not other clowns.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

Important to bring 1 person to the operating room to watch that it's only the doctor performing and not other clowns.

indeed if ahmed has 20 fatima assistants you're in trouble

 

[Deleted member 17578]

nah bro they wanna make money, anyways OP you should be good aslong as the surgeon is doing the incisions and grafting himself and not a team of bimboos doing it for him because then you're fucked

surgeon is only there for hairline design and then the techs take over.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

surgeon is only there for hairline design and then the techs take over.

ah the typical turkish butcher house.

don't do it, high risk of being botched

 

[Deleted member 17578]

ah the typical turkish butcher house.

don't do it, high risk of being botched

i think theres only a single clinic in the netherlands where its the surgeon doing the incisions and grafting. fuegenix

every other one has techs i believe

 

[max_frisch]

but I get what you mean. it's difficult cuz I don't really see a way out of my life situation right now. realistically even a toptier HT isn't going to magically make my life a whole lot better. Will need other changes

bruh hairgame is a longterm game

do not make decision based on time pressure

 

[Gargantuan]

I feel like it was worth it for me but everyone is different at the end of the day.

Of course, you need to have realistic expectations about the potential outcome, as you mentioned. After all, the entire surgery is about restoring your mature hairline. As with most men, this is roughly NW1-1.5 territory (same with me)
Others will be quick to jump the gun and say that hair transplants are underwhelming and whatnot, but they usually have extremely unrealistic expectations of what the end result is going to look like. No HT is going to give you NW0, simple as.

So it really is a matter of perspective.
As I said before, I feel like it was worth it in my case since I was at least NW3 prior to getting a hair transplant. It was a pretty good investment in my case as I do look better these days and don't have to deal with the mental anguish of seeing my NW3 ass face in the mirror again.

If you feel like it's not going to yield massive improvements for you, then you might have to reconsider your options.
But then again, is waiting on the sidelines and trying to apply minoxidil in the meantime (which isn't going to guarantee results) a better alternative?
Even if the results can be underwhelming, a HT is still the only option out there that will grant you more hair again for certain.

Sometimes I'm still annoyed these days whenever I look in the mirror and deem my forehead to be too big or whatever, but then I realise that I'm simply being unrealistic as I haven't had a small forehead since I was 15 years old and that the only way I could ever get close to that hairline ever again would include undergoing additional hairline lowering (which is far less feasible anyway if you never got a HT, to begin with, I would imagine).

 

[Gargantuan]

Tbh I did mention hairline lowering at the very end of my post but as you know with HTs, they've probably told you as well that they cannot go any lower than 1 cm above one's forehead wrinkles when it comes to planting the new grafts (the biggest downside of HTs tbh).

I'm not sure if hairline lowering is going to be any different in that sense or if they're going to cockblock you as well in this regard.

 

[Deleted member 17578]

I feel like it was worth it for me but everyone is different at the end of the day.

Of course, you need to have realistic expectations about the potential outcome, as you mentioned. After all, the entire surgery is about restoring your mature hairline. As with most men, this is roughly NW1-1.5 territory (same with me)
Others will be quick to jump the gun and say that hair transplants are underwhelming and whatnot, but they usually have extremely unrealistic expectations of what the end result is going to look like. No HT is going to give you NW0, simple as.

So it really is a matter of perspective.
As I said before, I feel like it was worth it in my case since I was at least NW3 prior to getting a hair transplant. It was a pretty good investment in my case as I do look better these days and don't have to deal with the mental anguish of seeing my NW3 ass face in the mirror again.

If you feel like it's not going to yield massive improvements for you, then you might have to reconsider your options.
But then again, is waiting on the sidelines and trying to apply minoxidil in the meantime (which isn't going to guarantee results) a better alternative?
Even if the results can be underwhelming, a HT is still the only option out there that will grant you more hair again for certain.

Sometimes I'm still annoyed these days whenever I look in the mirror and deem my forehead to be too big or whatever, but then I realise that I'm simply being unrealistic as I haven't had a small forehead since I was 15 years old and that the only way I could ever get close to that hairline ever again would include undergoing additional hairline lowering (which is far less feasible anyway if you never got a HT, to begin with, I would imagine).

I am not extremely unhappy with my current hair (which is like norwood2.5 but I hide it well with current hairstyle).

My primary concern is that a poor HT would actually make me more anxious/insecure about how my hair looks than how it does now. And I don't want to take that risk by having it done with techs instead of a well-renowned HT surgeon.

I am not going to use minox on hairline, not worth the effort tbh. Fin is so much easier.

The clinic was fine with lowering my hairline with a full cm (which is good enough for me), they also would fill in the temples + fix my temporal points. But I have doubts about the skill/experience of their tech team that will do the implanting.

My plan now is to keep this hairline for the following 2-3 years untill i can get the same things done:

Hairline lowered by 1cm.
Temples filled in
Temple points repaired
Good hairline design.

But with a good HT surgeon where the risk of coming out worse than before is minimal to none. I feel like because I am not that worried about my hair anymore now that I cover it well with curtains, I have higher demands on how a HT should make me look in the end.

Potentially in the future if the density is lacking, I would get a second HT to make it look truly natural. But this would solely be for perfecting it, rather than not being happy with the first HT result.

This is why I have chosen to cancel the HT and instead cope with curtains for the next 2 years while I get an appointment with a good HT surgeon.