This forum should hire surgeon scouts

[lurking truecel]

People who go on consults and look at the reviews, clinics snd results from surgeons all over the world. Write to people who had surgery and get some private sent result so we can see where the best surgeons are from across the world. Maybe also investigate teqniques surgeons use and do some research.

I have a belief that silent authistic surgeons who dont like much marketing and too much lights on them are the best ones.

Would be hella helpful

 

[chudpiller]

W idea but I feel like most people outside this forum who hardmaxxed prefer to pretend as if it their looks are natural.

 

[bossman]

I have a belief that silent authistic surgeons who dont like much marketing and too much lights on them are the best ones.

True. It’s also very hard to tell with a google search.

Surgeons who consistently have nice aesthetic results do gain fame and recognition, but it is usually only amongst other surgeons. It can be a good sign if a surgeon teaches at different conferences/courses.

50%+ of surgeons who use social media marketing aggressively are dodgy. However, I think Instagram is a good way to discover surgeons and I have a separate account for this. This way the algorithm just recommends me surgery results. Surgeons will cherry pick their best results, but if a surgeon doesn’t have any good results then they clearly aren’t capable of good work.

Ultimately consulting every surgeon in the world wouldn’t even help much, as some are master manipulators. Without talking to a significant chunk of their former patients, you don’t fully know what you’re getting yourself into. Some surgeons I’ve spoken to were confident enough to put me in touch with their previous patients though.

 

[moltisantichincel]

True. It’s also very hard to tell with a google search.

Surgeons who consistently have nice aesthetic results do gain fame and recognition, but it is usually only amongst other surgeons. It can be a good sign if a surgeon teaches at different conferences/courses.

50%+ of surgeons who use social media marketing aggressively are dodgy. However, I think Instagram is a good way to discover surgeons and I have a separate account for this. This way the algorithm just recommends me surgery results. Surgeons will cherry pick their best results, but if a surgeon doesn’t have any good results then they clearly aren’t capable of good work.

Ultimately consulting every surgeon in the world wouldn’t even help much, as some are master manipulators. Without talking to a significant chunk of their former patients, you don’t fully know what you’re getting yourself into. Some surgeons I’ve spoken to were confident enough to put me in touch with their previous patients though.

I don’t think judging a surgeons skill based off of excessive marketing is fair. if you are trying to expand from say your home country to a broader market, then marketing on social media is the best way. Take Alfi for example he markets a fuck tone but is legitimate and because he markets him self so much so many orthos across the entire US recommend him it’s simply a smart business practice, and if I had some “innovative” technique I would also try to market it as much as possible

 

[bossman]

I don’t think judging a surgeons skill based off of excessive marketing is fair. if you are trying to expand from say your home country to a broader market, then marketing on social media is the best way. Take Alfi for example he markets a fuck tone but is legitimate and because he markets him self so much so many orthos across the entire US recommend him it’s simply a smart business practice, and if I had some “innovative” technique I would also try to market it as much as possible

Alfi is shit. Markets custom plates but doesn’t know what the hell to do with them.

I would only trust Bell with custom plates

 

[moltisantichincel]

Alfi is shit. Markets custom plates but doesn’t know what the hell to do with them.

I would only trust Bell with custom plates

well yeah he is mid in terms of results but he's safe tho isn't he? Could be wrong, but wouldn't they be dodgy in terms of safety? I think marketing is only dodgy when its for aesthetic reasons, like take safi for example

 

[tweaqo]

This site has definitely been infiltrated in the past by some surgeons who have loads of hype about them.

Overly marketed with not many results (you can probably guess who I’m talking about).

 

[Antonlord7]

So good idea my friend that's why i decided to join because I'm researching for years now and i need many surgeries but for now mostly a good lefort combined with bsso to fix my fucking deepbite overbite this would be very helpful instead to have giant butcher

 

[ltn_looksminner]

And anyone who contributes gets a badge or a special color

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

That’s not realistic tbh.

Also the more I think about it the more I realize it was never about the surgeon.

Take for example the very popular bimax result of Alfaro on that SFS guy.
Do u really think he ascended because Alfaro is a bimax god JFL no that’s cuz lack of downgraft was his biggest failo and very easy to fix.

Me for example iam getting trimax in a couple weeks. I consulted with 3surgeons (4 with Pagnoni) and went with the best imo. But iam confident all of the 3 would have ascended me either way cuz it’s obvious what I need (except Pagnoni maybe )

Once you rule out all the 2mm bsso surgeons cuck it’s only about the patient not the surgeons skills

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

Btw that’s why Giant is successful rn.

You can give the physical application of the surgery to even the most braindead Turkish surgeon, if the plan is well thought and designed by some autist who knows aesthetic guidelines it will work.

 

[Oliebol]

Surgeons who consistently have nice aesthetic results do gain fame and recognition, but it is usually only amongst other surgeons. It can be a good sign if a surgeon teaches at different conferences/courses.

I think this is why a surgeon like Gunson got famous. Students of Arnett like Gunson and Raffaini got famous because Arnett had such a good reputation, hence they also produced really good results. Both Raffaini and Gunson use a method called the "McLaughlin Cephalometric Analysis" which is based on Arnett's soft tissue analysis (Walline also uses this). Source:

Ofcourse not everyone has "that kind of money" but something like jaw surgery is so important that you dont want to cheap out on it imo.

 

[Oliebol]

That’s not realistic tbh.

Also the more I think about it the more I realize it was never about the surgeon.

Take for example the very popular bimax result of Alfaro on that SFS guy.
Do u really think he ascended because Alfaro is a bimax god JFL no that’s cuz lack of downgraft was his biggest failo and very easy to fix.

Me for example iam getting trimax in a couple weeks. I consulted with 3surgeons (4 with Pagnoni) and went with the best imo. But iam confident all of the 3 would have ascended me either way cuz it’s obvious what I need (except Pagnoni maybe )

Once you rule out all the 2mm bsso surgeons cuck it’s only about the patient not the surgeons skills

which surgeon did you go for?

 

[lurking truecel]

That’s not realistic tbh.

Also the more I think about it the more I realize it was never about the surgeon.

Take for example the very popular bimax result of Alfaro on that SFS guy.
Do u really think he ascended because Alfaro is a bimax god JFL no that’s cuz lack of downgraft was his biggest failo and very easy to fix.

Me for example iam getting trimax in a couple weeks. I consulted with 3surgeons (4 with Pagnoni) and went with the best imo. But iam confident all of the 3 would have ascended me either way cuz it’s obvious what I need (except Pagnoni maybe )

Once you rule out all the 2mm bsso surgeons cuck it’s only about the patient not the surgeons skills

I mean downgraft isnt necessarily easy as you risk lip incompetence and none union. U def need a good surgeon for it if you want good result. The alfaro guy got severely under advanced compared to the plan aswell probably because its such a hard surgery to do.

 

[LackEmpathyTherefor]

which surgeon did you go for?

No name local surgeon from Paris

I mean downgraft isnt necessarily easy as you risk lip incompetence and none union. U def need a good surgeon for it if you want good result. The alfaro guy got severely under advanced compared to the plan aswell probably because its such a hard surgery to do.

Ure right those are hard surgeries. I just think after 10years of med school and practice, most maxfac surgeons who do bimax regularly know how to perform the mvmnts.
Bottleneck becomes the patient and the plan

 

[moltisantichincel]

this reddit post is how some guy got scammed by safi, (ft. Giant Implants). its hilarious. but safi was aware of the patients looksmax history without the patient knowing, kinda shows that surgeons are capable of doing that of course its safi and he probably took it to a whole new level.

 

[Devon]

this reddit post is how some guy got scammed by safi, (ft. Giant Implants). its hilarious. but safi was aware of the patients looksmax history without the patient knowing, kinda shows that surgeons are capable of doing that of course its safi and he probably took it to a whole new level.

I remember reading this when it came out this has to be a botb r/jawsurgery post tbh

 

[BexMogsYou]

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View recommended doctors in United Kingdom and ask your question.

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The issue is they don't show doctors from other regions or the worldwide databases they do have for this, they either have no reviews or they don't really having 'accurate' rating systems.

 

[Nahorscend]

I have a belief that silent authistic surgeons who dont like much marketing and too much lights on them are the best ones.

Truth. I would get scared off from a surgeon if I saw them marketing aggressively with terms like 'looksmaxxing' 'trimax' etc. lol.

Also funny how people think any surgeon who doesn't have many public before/afters is worthless, and conversely if some surgeon posts a couple of crazy ascensions, people call that surgeon the goat and won't question him too much.

 

[Ascension75]

Alfi is shit. Markets custom plates but doesn’t know what the hell to do with them.

I would only trust Bell with custom plates

I have never seen an aesthetic result with bell.
alfi yes

 

[yussimania]

I have never seen an aesthetic result with bell.
alfi yes

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Bell started rotting on reddit that's how you know it's over

 

[bossman]

Bell started rotting on reddit that's how you know it's over

Insane marketing play. So many people go to him just from Reddit.

Raffaini can just post his stacy ascensions from 20 years ago and there’ll be thousands of patients lining up to see him.

Bell has never had any results like that so he can’t do that.

Average Raffaini post:

Average Bell post:

I have never seen an aesthetic result with bell.
alfi yes

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I’m not sure what to make of this result. In my opinion it’s low-key just ogremaxxing. But some might say he looks more dimorphic and this level of widening can only be achieved through Bell/Coceancig methods. Perhaps with some soft tissue work it could be an ascension

@yussimania thoughts?

 

[yussimania]

I’m not sure what to make of this result. my opinion it’s low-key just ogremaxxing. But some might say he looks more dimorphic and this level of widening can only be achieved through Bell/Coceancig methods. Perhaps with some soft tissue work it could be an ascension

@yussimania thoughts?

antefaced i saw the whole post i've noticed he brings the jaws too far forward

 

[AustrianMogger]

antefaced i saw the whole post i've noticed he brings the jaws too far forward

Anteface is ideal but most bimaxes only bring the jaws forward, leaving the middlemaxilla behind

 

[LEFORT17]

Insane marketing play. So many people go to him just from Reddit.

Raffaini can just post his stacy ascensions from 20 years ago and there’ll be thousands of patients lining up to see him.

Bell has never had any results like that so he can’t do that.

Average Raffaini post:
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Average Bell post:
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I’m not sure what to make of this result. In my opinion it’s low-key just ogremaxxing. But some might say he looks more dimorphic and this level of widening can only be achieved through Bell/Coceancig methods. Perhaps with some soft tissue work it could be an ascension

@yussimania thoughts?

i can imagine that with this ,,CHAD skull advancements'' the average bell patients feels physically pretty good. obviously the risks especially with 5 piece mandibles of nerve damage are increasing like crazy. the modern face doesnt need movements like that to look good, the simple ccw maxillomandible advancement does the job for the most

 

[AustrianMogger]

 

[AustrianMogger]

i can imagine that with this ,,CHAD skull advancements'' the average bell patients feels physically pretty good. obviously the risks especially with 5 piece mandibles of nerve damage are increasing like crazy. the modern face doesnt need movements like that to look good, the simple ccw maxillomandible advancement does the job for the most

the modern face??

 

[LEFORT17]

the modern face??

yup

 

[AustrianMogger]

yup

what is that?

 

[LEFORT17]

what is that?

skulls are not looking the same as they looked before

 

[AustrianMogger]

yup

Modern face?

 

[AustrianMogger]

skulls are not looking the same as they looked before

Chad in 1945

Chad in 2025

 

[AustrianMogger]

skulls are not looking the same as they looked before

yes in 2025 chadlites might be mathematical 2.7% of the population but due to wrong habits they are now 1%

 

[bossman]

i can imagine that with this ,,CHAD skull advancements'' the average bell patients feels physically pretty good. obviously the risks especially with 5 piece mandibles of nerve damage are increasing like crazy. the modern face doesnt need movements like that to look good, the simple ccw maxillomandible advancement does the job for the most

Yes. BRILLIANT functionally. The size of the airway is expanded massively. However, that doesn't always translate to optimal aesthetics. Soft tissue pill is extremely important.