this is probably the ideal natty body

[Tallooksmaxxer]

4th one.
no abs so it looks like you are not tryhard.

 

[Artbreeder Is Law]

Not lean enough for me.

 

[Deleted member 17735]

1 or 3

 

[Deleted member 26642]

11 is optimal

 

[Debetro]

not ideal but very decent

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Not lean enough for me.

thats the trick. too lean looks tryhard and un-nt.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

Looks like me but he is bit more built. In my head I assume they’re all over 6feet btw

 

[Banasura]

3

 

[Deleted member 28610]

Literally the opposite

Bloated gymcel with no abs and overdeveloped arms = tryhard

Lean with visible abs and striations with veins but not too big = effortless

 

[Orc]

now post it without pump in natural lighting.

 

[Xangsane]

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now post it without pump in natural lighting.

Same person?

 

[Orc]

Same person?

don't think so but it could be, but that's more or less what that looks like most of the day in non-frauded conditions.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

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now post it without pump in natural lighting.

its not the same person. and the guy looks more fat in the big photo, yeah i would like to be leaner than that.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Literally the opposite

Bloated gymcel with no abs and overdeveloped arms = tryhard

Lean with visible abs and striations with veins but not too big = effortless

small isnt good. muscles are not just about aesthetics when you are trying to get girls. you should also make her feel protected.

 

[Deleted member 28610]

small isnt good. muscles are not just about aesthetics when you are trying to get girls. you should also make her feel protected.

if you are tall she will feel protected enough

 

[Deleted member 20835]

İdeal fizik

 

[Orc]

its not the same person. and the guy looks more fat in the big photo, yeah i would like to be leaner than that.

both of them look equally fat, they've more or less got the same amount of muscle covered by the same amount of fat.


keep in mind that when you're at this bodyfat, you might look good in the morning, but after you've eaten lunch you just look like a bloated wet sack of laundry.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

if you are tall she will feel protected enough

you need full big muscles too man.

if you do a little bit of steroids, you can have both veiny abs and big arms. but that will look kind of gymcelish, tryhard.

 

[Shekel]

i think women like 3, 7 and 9 the most

 

[LooksOrDeath]

long time no see

 

[LooksOrDeath]

i think women like 3, 7 and 9 the most

13 as well

 

[Deleted member 23558]

13 is ideal

 

[LooksOrDeath]

13 is ideal

it was the highest voted one i recall
1 3 and 11 are somewhat similiar with different angles

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

i think women like 3, 7 and 9 the most

it was the highest voted one i recall
1 3 and 11 are somewhat similiar with different angles

1 3 4 11 13

but imo 4 mogs

 

[LooksOrDeath]

long time no see

thank you for changing your jfl to the heart
much more wholesome reunion

 

[LooksOrDeath]

1 3 4 11 13

but imo 4 mogs

the others are about 9-13% bf

4 is like 15-18% bf, strong but not as lean

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

the others are about 9-13% bf

4 is like 15-18% bf, strong but not as lean

yeah he could be a bit more leaner

 

[Blackgymmax]

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now post it without pump in natural lighting.

Say it again

its not the same person. and the guy looks more fat in the big photo, yeah i would like to be leaner than that.

You know all bathroom and gym photos are basically frauded right? No one looks like that irl

 

[It'snotover]

thats the trick. too lean looks tryhard and un-nt.

True, decently defined abs are good but too lean bodies unless important frames with good muscle mass just looks weak, it's better to be 15-16 of bf having a good muscle to fat ratio than getting way smaller for abs.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Say it again

You know all bathroom and gym photos are basically frauded right? No one looks like that irl

well lets say i just want to train to look like that irl.

True, decently defined abs are good but too lean bodies unless important frames with good muscle mass just looks weak, it's better to be 15-16 of bf having a good muscle to fat ratio than getting way smaller for abs.

yes bro. maybe having a bit fat (dad bod body but leaner) is related to electra complex. no girls has a dad with washboard abs.

Electra complex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deleted member 28610]

you need full big muscles too man.

if you do a little bit of steroids, you can have both veiny abs and big arms. but that will look kind of gymcelish, tryhard.

only gymcelish if ur ugly or short
if ur tall and lean it wont seem compensatey

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

only gymcelish if ur ugly or short
if ur tall and lean it wont seem compensatey

its more about being chad and than being an incel.

it would be completely ok to have washboard abs if you are a chad.

it would be a bit try hard if you area a normie.

it would look awfully compensatory if you are incel.

 

[It'snotover]

well lets say i just want to train to look like that irl.

yes bro. maybe having a bit fat (dad bod body but leaner) is related to electra complex. no girls has a dad with washboard abs.

Electra complex - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did not know this electra complex theory, describe how fucked up are women because it's true, lots of women are attracted to big guys(not only muscles, but especially height or frame bones) because they want someone who resembles and protect them like their father would.

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Did not know this electra complex theory, describe how fucked up are women because it's true, lots of women are attracted to big guys(not only muscles, but especially height or frame bones) because they want someone who resembles and protect them like their father would.

well there is also a counterpart complex that exist in males called oedipus complex.

though, i think electra complex is way more present with foids than oedipus complex with guys.
like its default for girls to have electra but more rare for guys to have oedipus.

i think it depends on the age and the physical looks of your the too.