This is the most brutal framecel trait

[Saint Casanova]

If you have narrow but straight or slightly upturned clavicles, you can build a lot of muscle externally and fraud a wider frame.

If you have wide hips or a bad hip to waist ratio, you can train obliques, serratus, and general upper body to give a more aesthetic look.

But if you have downturned, sloped clavicles, it’s over. Any muscle you’ll grow will droop down.

A true genetic garbage trait,

 

[chrisangeler]

If you have narrow but straight or slightly upturned clavicles, you can build a lot of muscle externally and fraud a wider frame.

If you have wide hips or a bad hip to waist ratio, you can train obliques, serratus, and general upper body to give a more aesthetic look.

But if you have downturned, sloped clavicles, it’s over. Any muscle you’ll grow will droop down.

A true genetic garbage trait,

true but also how is building muscle externally frauding?? isn't that just working out brah

 

[Saint Casanova]

true but also how is building muscle externally frauding?? isn't that just working out brah

Just frauding an overall wider natural frame basically

 

[WonkyChin186]

If you have narrow but straight or slightly upturned clavicles, you can build a lot of muscle externally and fraud a wider frame.

If you have wide hips or a bad hip to waist ratio, you can train obliques, serratus, and general upper body to give a more aesthetic look.

But if you have downturned, sloped clavicles, it’s over. Any muscle you’ll grow will droop down.

A true genetic garbage trait,

I got EVERY fucking framecel trait you described and some extras except for downturned clavs

 

[Saint Casanova]

I got EVERY fucking framecel trait you described and some extras except for downturned clavs

Very brutal hips

 

[polonaecel]

If you have narrow but straight or slightly upturned clavicles, you can build a lot of muscle externally and fraud a wider frame.

If you have wide hips or a bad hip to waist ratio, you can train obliques, serratus, and general upper body to give a more aesthetic look.

But if you have downturned, sloped clavicles, it’s over. Any muscle you’ll grow will droop down.

A true genetic garbage trait,

My bidelt is 19" but it looks shit and narrower because i have downturned clavicles, its ovah

 

[pfl]

Brutal for ethnics

 

[Prøphet]

I got EVERY fucking framecel trait you described and some extras except for downturned clavs

I’ve never seen someone with the same build as me before damn

The hips are definitely the worst, mine also make my belly section round even if I get to 8% bf

And the shoulders make me look like dogshit in clothes, like an old lady, so fucking brutal

 

[domcel]

If you have narrow but straight or slightly upturned clavicles, you can build a lot of muscle externally and fraud a wider frame.

If you have wide hips or a bad hip to waist ratio, you can train obliques, serratus, and general upper body to give a more aesthetic look.

But if you have downturned, sloped clavicles, it’s over. Any muscle you’ll grow will droop down.

A true genetic garbage trait,

i fucking hate my wide hips. Do foids actually notice if a dude has wider hips or is it just dudes who do

 

[domcel]

I’ve never seen someone with the same build as me before damn

The hips are definitely the worst, mine also make my belly section round even if I get to 8% bf

And the shoulders make me look like dogshit in clothes, like an old lady, so fucking brutal

i got wide hips is it over

 

[Prøphet]

i got wide hips is it over

Not if you have decent clavicles, it’s only truly over if you have both narrow clavicles and wide hips

 

[domcel]

Not if you have decent clavicles, it’s only truly over if you have both narrow clavicles and wide hips

okay my clavs are solidthanks for hopefuel

 

[Saint Casanova]

i fucking hate my wide hips. Do foids actually notice if a dude has wider hips or is it just dudes who do

Depends on how wide and how broad your upper body is.

A lot of hipcels generally have low androgen features such as small shoulders, small wrists, small neck ect.

 

[domcel]

Depends on how wide and how broad your upper body is.

A lot of hipcels generally have low androgen features such as small shoulders, small wrists, small neck ect.

shit i only have wide hips. Other things are quite masculine on me ig im lucky

 

[WonkyChin186]

I’ve never seen someone with the same build as me before damn

The hips are definitely the worst, mine also make my belly section round even if I get to 8% bf

And the shoulders make me look like dogshit in clothes, like an old lady, so fucking brutal

Cuz nobody posts it, it's more common than you think, id say my body is around bottom8%, bottom2-3% if you exclude obese people

 

[AstroSky]

If you have narrow but straight or slightly upturned clavicles, you can build a lot of muscle externally and fraud a wider frame.

If you have wide hips or a bad hip to waist ratio, you can train obliques, serratus, and general upper body to give a more aesthetic look.

But if you have downturned, sloped clavicles, it’s over. Any muscle you’ll grow will droop down.

A true genetic garbage trait,

100% facts tho

Straight clavs allows a wider frame in the end

This is me with no muscle mass

Then me peak mass maxed backed when I cared about being big

 

[AnastPal67]

If you have narrow but straight or slightly upturned clavicles, you can build a lot of muscle externally and fraud a wider frame.

If you have wide hips or a bad hip to waist ratio, you can train obliques, serratus, and general upper body to give a more aesthetic look.

But if you have downturned, sloped clavicles, it’s over. Any muscle you’ll grow will droop down.

A true genetic garbage trait,

Whats the ideal waist to hip ratio? Also davif laid has downward slope on this clavs

 

[AnastPal67]

Whats the ideal waist to hip ratio? Also davif laid has downward slope on this clavs

Also wide clavicles doesn't translate to broad shoulders. Arnold had wide ass clavicles but his shoulders were rounded asf. David laid with avg clavicles at best has broad shoulders and jeff seid

 

[WonkyChin186]

Whats the ideal waist to hip ratio? Also davif laid has downward slope on this clavs

 

[WonkyChin186]

Whats the ideal waist to hip ratio? Also davif laid has downward slope on this clavs

Camera is from below and they're STILL straight

His failo is that they're literally positively tilted by a couple degrees to much

 

[AnastPal67]

Camera is from below and they're STILL straight

His failo is that they're literally positively tilted by a couple degrees to much

I said the clavicle slope

Camera is from below and they're STILL straight

His failo is that they're literally positively tilted by a couple degrees to much

Camera is from below and they're STILL straight

His failo is that they're literally positively tilted by a couple degrees to much

Its straight or slightly downward which is not ideal you need at least 20 degrees upward tilt