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Some faggot started a thread how he was high bf% but had "hollow cheeks" (he didn't really) but as an actual trainer of professionals I want to bring in a dilemma that men have that women don't
a feminine face has fat, a feminine body has fat
a masculine face has extremely low bodyfat, a masculine body has to have a floor of more bodyfat because it has more muscle
I explain it in this post
"u have high bodyfat bcus u have no muscle
a guy with 30lbs of bodyfat has the same amount on his face whether he is 10% bf or 20% bf
if ur 170lbs with 30lbs of bf or 240 with 30lbs of bf despite one being lower bf% then the amount of fat on the face is the same
this is how a guys like markus ruhl and jay cutler can be low bodyfat but still have a fat face
infact if you see a 300lb bodybuilder whose face looks ripped it's a sign of heavy diaretics or strong andorgens vs them actually being technically low bf%"
of course someone will always goto genetic outliers, guys like mike o hearn, but even he is on strong androgens pulling water weight from fat to his muscles
yes, genetics play a huge role but my point is still valid, not only is o hearn down over 70lbs, at the same bodyfat (assume ~10%) that is 7lbs less of bodyfat, which on a normal 180lbs frame is about 5% difference, but he is more ripped than the bodybuilders above, and even he is not immune
here is mike in extreme contest mode
this is around ~8% bf or less, face is very defines despite being probably around 220-230 lbs
this is him at around ~12-15% bf, yes he just isn't posting, the extra 20lbs or so makes a huge difference on hi sface but not body, he still has fucking veins in his arm because his muscle tofat is great but even at what most people would consider ripped, literally anything under contest condition
he has a double fucking chin, and basically no hollow cheeks
this is our dilemma, mikes genes for facial fat are amazing, so unless yours are and you plan on staying single digit bf year round if you take gear your facial aesthetics WILL SUFFER, unlike women we have a delicate balance to maintain, the bigger you get muscle wise the more you must maintain a low bodyfat to have good facial fat, at a certain point it's near impossible
if you have bad facial fat genetics legit just go otter mod, and don't do gear (and go above natty limit although most u fags wont) unless ur face is pure dogshit and it's your only hope or u have AMAZING facial fat genetics and will actually stay ripped all year round
honorable mention to fucking manlets who this rule doesn't fuck as much, who can look like this at under 180lbs, with insane facial fat genetics and bone structure and strong androgrens pulling waterweight from fat to muscle
yall still fucked too tho
a feminine face has fat, a feminine body has fat
a masculine face has extremely low bodyfat, a masculine body has to have a floor of more bodyfat because it has more muscle
I explain it in this post
"u have high bodyfat bcus u have no muscle
a guy with 30lbs of bodyfat has the same amount on his face whether he is 10% bf or 20% bf
if ur 170lbs with 30lbs of bf or 240 with 30lbs of bf despite one being lower bf% then the amount of fat on the face is the same
this is how a guys like markus ruhl and jay cutler can be low bodyfat but still have a fat face
![maxresdefault.jpg](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2Fir5EVUo93Q0%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&hash=b2dddeb7135f11f3dbb848b1a47ca979)
infact if you see a 300lb bodybuilder whose face looks ripped it's a sign of heavy diaretics or strong andorgens vs them actually being technically low bf%"
of course someone will always goto genetic outliers, guys like mike o hearn, but even he is on strong androgens pulling water weight from fat to his muscles
![303adfa56dc0890d79710740ec39e49c.jpg](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2F30%2F3a%2Fdf%2F303adfa56dc0890d79710740ec39e49c.jpg&hash=627a8080c4dbe2008e20016568cc0270)
yes, genetics play a huge role but my point is still valid, not only is o hearn down over 70lbs, at the same bodyfat (assume ~10%) that is 7lbs less of bodyfat, which on a normal 180lbs frame is about 5% difference, but he is more ripped than the bodybuilders above, and even he is not immune
here is mike in extreme contest mode
![mike-o-hearn-750x422.png](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Ffitnessvolt.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F09%2Fmike-o-hearn-750x422.png&hash=dc2e8e3c1e680132f638850b474185cb)
this is around ~8% bf or less, face is very defines despite being probably around 220-230 lbs
![MV5BMTYxMjQzODE0OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzA4ODE4NTE@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,752,1000_AL_.jpg](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fm.media-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FM%2FMV5BMTYxMjQzODE0OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwMzA4ODE4NTE%40._V1_SY1000_CR0%2C0%2C752%2C1000_AL_.jpg&hash=14b2ef5f834a7632bd82f69300e66443)
this is him at around ~12-15% bf, yes he just isn't posting, the extra 20lbs or so makes a huge difference on hi sface but not body, he still has fucking veins in his arm because his muscle tofat is great but even at what most people would consider ripped, literally anything under contest condition
he has a double fucking chin, and basically no hollow cheeks
this is our dilemma, mikes genes for facial fat are amazing, so unless yours are and you plan on staying single digit bf year round if you take gear your facial aesthetics WILL SUFFER, unlike women we have a delicate balance to maintain, the bigger you get muscle wise the more you must maintain a low bodyfat to have good facial fat, at a certain point it's near impossible
if you have bad facial fat genetics legit just go otter mod, and don't do gear (and go above natty limit although most u fags wont) unless ur face is pure dogshit and it's your only hope or u have AMAZING facial fat genetics and will actually stay ripped all year round
honorable mention to fucking manlets who this rule doesn't fuck as much, who can look like this at under 180lbs, with insane facial fat genetics and bone structure and strong androgrens pulling waterweight from fat to muscle
![maxresdefault.jpg](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-D7fOCV9KDaI%2FW4At8b8xcYI%2FAAAAAAAAEeU%2FidDDudpNpi4h7V0nVwFEuBlaiYGxazYEQCLcBGAs%2Fs1600%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&hash=40041d002c8a24831ff3b0d0460a1e88)
yall still fucked too tho
![maxresdefault.jpg](/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2F-KnYOZBBlM0%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&hash=d3aca028de8436592c6ed0f8644d894b)