This needs to be stickied - Body or Face, pick one bro

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Some faggot started a thread how he was high bf% but had "hollow cheeks" (he didn't really) but as an actual trainer of professionals I want to bring in a dilemma that men have that women don't

a feminine face has fat, a feminine body has fat

a masculine face has extremely low bodyfat, a masculine body has to have a floor of more bodyfat because it has more muscle

I explain it in this post

"u have high bodyfat bcus u have no muscle

a guy with 30lbs of bodyfat has the same amount on his face whether he is 10% bf or 20% bf

if ur 170lbs with 30lbs of bf or 240 with 30lbs of bf despite one being lower bf% then the amount of fat on the face is the same
this is how a guys like markus ruhl and jay cutler can be low bodyfat but still have a fat face


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infact if you see a 300lb bodybuilder whose face looks ripped it's a sign of heavy diaretics or strong andorgens vs them actually being technically low bf%"



of course someone will always goto genetic outliers, guys like mike o hearn, but even he is on strong androgens pulling water weight from fat to his muscles


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yes, genetics play a huge role but my point is still valid, not only is o hearn down over 70lbs, at the same bodyfat (assume ~10%) that is 7lbs less of bodyfat, which on a normal 180lbs frame is about 5% difference, but he is more ripped than the bodybuilders above, and even he is not immune



here is mike in extreme contest mode
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this is around ~8% bf or less, face is very defines despite being probably around 220-230 lbs


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this is him at around ~12-15% bf, yes he just isn't posting, the extra 20lbs or so makes a huge difference on hi sface but not body, he still has fucking veins in his arm because his muscle tofat is great but even at what most people would consider ripped, literally anything under contest condition

he has a double fucking chin, and basically no hollow cheeks


this is our dilemma, mikes genes for facial fat are amazing, so unless yours are and you plan on staying single digit bf year round if you take gear your facial aesthetics WILL SUFFER, unlike women we have a delicate balance to maintain, the bigger you get muscle wise the more you must maintain a low bodyfat to have good facial fat, at a certain point it's near impossible

if you have bad facial fat genetics legit just go otter mod, and don't do gear (and go above natty limit although most u fags wont) unless ur face is pure dogshit and it's your only hope or u have AMAZING facial fat genetics and will actually stay ripped all year round





honorable mention to fucking manlets who this rule doesn't fuck as much, who can look like this at under 180lbs, with insane facial fat genetics and bone structure and strong androgrens pulling waterweight from fat to muscle
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yall still fucked too tho
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All you need to have body is a bit of muscle. You don't need to look like a bodybuilder.
 
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Solid thread brother
 
OP what's your opinion on this guy?

 
OP what's your opinion on this guy?


above average steroid maxxed young person who has rode social media train of pathetic young men to becoming an influencer

nothing special except young, hard working, lots of steroids and good male genetics
 
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above average steroid maxxed young person who has rode social media train of pathetic young men to becoming an influencer

nothing special except young, hard working, lots of steroids and good male genetics
He seems to be bloated despite being low bf. He's definitely not at his lowest bf% here, but even when he's lean af he looks bloated.
 
He seems to be bloated despite being low bf. He's definitely not at his lowest bf% here, but even when he's lean af he looks bloated.
thats because his genetics are just good and hes not especially dedicated hes riding the young and big train hard, hes on easy street his job now is as much more being an influencer/personality I assume vs actually competing or going 100%, basically hes lazy from success he never should have got for mentioned above + roiding from 14 or younger
He seems to be bloated despite being low bf. He's definitely not at his lowest bf% here, but even when he's lean af he looks bloated.
oh yeah and hes on stuff like dbol or or deca which is causing non muscle bloat because his dedication, genetics and probably cycle means best he can achieve is amateur(technically pro but never actually winning) bodybuilder

it's great for looking big for instagram vs not looking like ur making progress fast
 
i cant go otter mode bro Ill look like a lanklet
 
Didnt read but muh low bf is masculine
Cain Velasquez
 
You'll never get to a point where this matters natty. You probably wouldn't even on PEDs.
 
FACE is everything keep coping with foids JFL

Workout and eat healthy you don’t even need protein powder
 
You'll never get to a point where this matters natty. You probably wouldn't even on PEDs.
wrong, unless ur genetics are great and u stay around 12% if u get big natty it will add facial fat you wouldn't have at the same bf% but lower muscle

varies by person, size, bf% everything tho
 
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