This video is making me go vegan

[Deleted member 20890]

The conversion of land for cattle grazing is responsible for the majority of deforestation bro. There is no cope left.

Muh grass fed cattle is the primary reason why the Amazon forest is fucked.

Is deforestation even that big of a deal?

 

[mirrormogger]

i don’t even get what happens in the video? the door clothes and then you see the other cow try to move away

 

[RecessedChinCel]

People are fattened by grain and sugar, meat is like 20% of the average feed at most. And I like I said when you graze cattle solely on grass you don't need to grow additional crops.

Ok even if that is true grass fed beef is responsible for 41% of global deforestation and will inevitably disturb countless ecosystems jfl.

Also as you know trees convert carbon dioxide to oxygen as a biproduct of photosynthesis

 

[Deleted member 16288]

What I find funny is those dog or cat so called animal lovers that never hesitate to enjoy a juicy burger Jfl

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Is deforestation even that big of a deal?

Niggas will ask why is destroying the Amazon rain forest bad before they will cut down on animal product consumption jfl.

 

[Deleted member 20890]

Niggas will ask why is destroying the Amazon rain forest bad before they will cut down on animal product consumption jfl.

1. I fail to see the connection.
2. I need to know why it’s bad before I even consider something different.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Yes you get to deforest to feed people with either grazed animals or with grain/other crops. And that figure is not beef only but all livestock including animals not exclusively used for meat and milk.
And I doubt is has to be that high with reasonable land distribution. With one cow the meat itself will sustain a family for more than a year.

Beef is literally one of most expensive food to produce per pound jfl. Literally one google search to find out.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

With one cow the meat itself will sustain a family for more than a year.

It's measuring all beef which includes feedlot grain fed cattle. Requires much more land because it's easy and cheap to plant and harvest grain. But requires much to fatten the cows up so they stuff them with mass produced corn and soy.
You also don't get nutrition from eating pounds of beans.
A cow grazing in it's natural environment is not bad period

We already established that grass beef is the leading cause of deforestation so how is it not bad for the environment?

A cow grazing in it's natural environment is not bad period

The environment the cattle graze on isn’t natural. It is land that was previously forest that was manipulated by humans for the express purpose of raising cattle to slaughter them. This is fallacious reasoning. Those cows don’t exist from “natural” causes, they artificially inseminate and breed these creatures into existence so we can consume their flesh and breast milk.

The whole point is nothing is “natural” about factory farming. They are bred into an environment that is the antithesis of “natural”. What is “natural” about the video in the OP, of a 3 year old cattle getting slaughtered prematurely for human taste pleasure in a metal death factory?

 

[RecessedChinCel]

No it's not

Spoiler

In the chart here, we see the breakdown of tropical deforestation by the types of agricultural production.

Beef stands out immediately. The expansion of pasture land to raise cattle was responsible for 41% of tropical deforestation. That’s 2.1 million hectaresevery year – about half the size of the Netherlands. Most of this converted land came from Brazil; its expansion of beef production accounts for one-quarter (24%) of tropical deforestation. This also means that most (72%) deforestation in Brazil is driven by cattle ranching.4

Drivers of Deforestation

The world loses 5 million hectares of forest each year. What activities are driving this?

ourworldindata.org

Literally a google search away yet u cope bruv.

You keep circling back into feedlot factory farming which I agree with you is bad

Do you eat out? Fast food? Pizza? Chicken sandwich?

The animals the overwhelming majority of people eat don’t have these “good lives” you speak of.

There are 8 Billion ~ people on this planet and they ALL want to eat animal products. U.S. Americans eat it 3 times a day breakfast, lunch, and dinner. The truth is that it just isn’t sustainable on a large scale for animals to have a “good life” before they are killed. The inevitable conclusion to our demand for animal products is factory farming, which will always have suffering.

Also in U.S. at least we kill animals prematurely when they are young because Americans prefer the taste and texture. It is not profitable for the animals to have “good lives”. Cattle are slaughterd on average at only 2-4 years old. They are killing 3 year olds man there isn’t a morally right way to do it when it is not required for survival imo.

There is no sustainable way for billions of us to eat dead animal flesh multiple times a day.

And that literally isn’t even the point of Veganism which is very telling that most people zone in on the environment/health. Most vegans chose to be Vegan due to ethical reasons not necessarily health or environmental reasons.

At the end of the day we are torturing sentient animals that suffer in the 10s of billions every year and then slaughtering them and nobody sees anything wrong with that? Animals can suffer, feel pain, feel loss etc. Who are we to rob animals of their life if we can subsist on plant based foods?

you slit it's throat and make it bleed out I don't see a problem with that.

So you don’t even stun the animal before you slaughter it? Halal slaughter is unethical. The animal chokes to death on its own blood and experiences excruciating pain. How do you morally justify taking some innocent animal’s life in such a way?

 

[Part-Time Chad]

Insanely brutal. The more I read about veganism the more I realize they are ethically correct. Additionally animal agriculture just isn’t sustainable and has a horrible impact on the climate, is a major cause of deforestation, and most importantly causes incomprehensible amounts of suffering.

Humans slaughter 80 BILLION land animals every year for food, and 10 BILLION in the United States alone. The overwhelming majority of which is from factory farms like in the video above. These types of practices are the norm not the exception.

Man they literally breed these animals into existence just for them to grow up in automated farms to be abused for their bodies.

Female cows must be artificially inseminated with bull semen in order to impregnate them so they secrete milk. Cows only produce milk when they are having children so they must be impregnated over and over again. When a calf is born if male they slaughter it and make veal. If a female they will grow up to be dairy cows and exploited in the same way for milk.

Once dairy cows are too old/no longer can produce milk they are slaughtered for meat. I personally can not morally justify eating animal products anymore. The creatures we exploit are innocent it’s just wrong man.

It's still more humane than when a pride of lions corners them.

 

[spark]

Over 90% of people do not “kill irl” they get their animal products from the grocery store jfl. It is a supply and demand chain.

kys retard

eating animals is good

they get brutalized worse in nature

also we need meat as it's the healthiest most nutritious food

 

[spark]

What I find funny is those dog or cat so called animal lovers that never hesitate to enjoy a juicy burger Jfl

This is how animals die in nature, this is what vegans support

 

[RecessedChinCel]

they get brutalized worse in nature

Appeal to nature fallacy. These animals are genetically selected and bred into an existence of suffering for human consumption.
Dairy cows as found in factory farms are found nowhere in nature.

 

[spark]

Appeal to nature fallacy. These animals are genetically selected and bred into an existence of suffering for human consumption.
Dairy cows as found in factory farms are found nowhere in nature.

This is how cows die in nature. If you're vegan it's your fault. Now kys faggit:

 

[RecessedChinCel]

This is how animals die in nature, this is what vegans support

A bear has no moral agency. Do you base your morality on what is found in nature? If so that is another appeal to nature fallacy.

Why do you base your morality on what rats or bears do in the wild, when we live in a civilized society?

 

[spark]

A bear has no moral agency. Do you base your morality on what is found in nature? If so that is another appeal to nature fallacy.

No appeal to nature you braindead animal. All I am saying is that if you're gonna make the nature vs human dichotomy we're the good ones. Most animals who live in captivity for whatever reason have better lives than what they would have in the wild. You replace human society with nature and you will have more suffering automatically. The wellbeing of the only creature that is capable of being good is more important than the wellbeing of a soulless beast.

Why do you base your morality on what rats or bears do in the wild, when we live in a civilized society?

I am on team human. We literally need to eat animals to thrive. You don't even care about animals. You just wanna feel morally superior. If you really cared you'd go to the forest and pick your own food but instead you go to the supermarket and buy mass farmed vegetables which are sprayed by pesticides which kill millions of small mammals and birds. You of course don't care about those millions of animals that are poisoned so a dumb trendy whitey vegan narcissist can eat his avocado toast and feel superior pretending his existence isn't killing millions of animals.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Most animals who live in captivity for whatever reason have better lives than what they would have in the wild.

You make bold assumptions about the animal’s wellbeing when you aren’t even familiar with common practice. How do you think we have so much meat to eat everyday? It falls out of the sky?

We breed billions of animals into existence for the express purpose of murdering them for their flesh, skin, hooves etc.

Do you not see the problem? We are commodifying a living sentient being.

You replace human society with nature and you will have more suffering automatically.

Again you aren’t familiar with what actually happens for you to get your McDonalds jfl.

FACTORY FARMS. There is no “good” life. They are abused from the moment they are born, then they are slaughtered in the 10s of billions, all for a product that isn’t essential to humans,

I am on team human.

Why do you think there are “teams”? We slaughter, torture, and abuse animals by the billions for food, how is calling out the exploitation of innocent beings against the “human team”

We literally need to eat animals to thrive.

What is found in animal products that we “need” to thrive, that vegan products cannot provide us?

You don't even care about animals. You just wanna feel morally superior. If you really cared you'd go to the forest and pick your own food but instead you go to the supermarket and buy mass farmed vegetables which are sprayed by pesticides which kill millions of small mammals and birds.

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

- Definition of Veganism from the Vegan society. The point is to minimize harm as much as is practicable

You of course don't care about those millions of animals that are poisoned so a dumb trendy whitey vegan narcissist can eat his avocado toast and feel superior pretending his existence isn't killing millions of animals.

You say millions as if the meat and dairy industries don’t slaughter hundreds of millions of animals every day and you pay for it so you can enjoy a quick pleasure. Do you have a basic understanding of supply and demand? Those animals only are bred into existence because there is a demand for their flesh and body as a product.

It is moral to enslave an entire species against their will for their bodies? When the calf in the video was in the hallway, did you see her anticipating death? The fear? They are sentient and alive too bro.

Vegans are fundamentally animal’s rights advocates Do you think advocating for animal rights is “selfish”. Jfl

 

[Deleted member 52070]

Insanely brutal. The more I read about veganism the more I realize they are ethically correct. Additionally animal agriculture just isn’t sustainable and has a horrible impact on the climate, is a major cause of deforestation, and most importantly causes incomprehensible amounts of suffering.

Humans slaughter 80 BILLION land animals every year for food, and 10 BILLION in the United States alone. The overwhelming majority of which is from factory farms like in the video above. These types of practices are the norm not the exception.

Man they literally breed these animals into existence just for them to grow up in automated farms to be abused for their bodies.

Female cows must be artificially inseminated with bull semen in order to impregnate them so they secrete milk. Cows only produce milk when they are having children so they must be impregnated over and over again. When a calf is born if male they slaughter it and make veal. If a female they will grow up to be dairy cows and exploited in the same way for milk.

Once dairy cows are too old/no longer can produce milk they are slaughtered for meat. I personally can not morally justify eating animal products anymore. The creatures we exploit are innocent it’s just wrong man.

Nigger shut the fuck up you faggot ass soy boy stop being broke and buy real local grass fed pasture raised meat, raw milk and eggs

 

[Deleted member 16288]

This is how animals die in nature, this is what vegans support

Yeah nature is brutal the next video of zebra getting his face ripped off by croc.

What I mean by my comment is the cherry picking of normies who claim to be animal lovers (cuz they petted a dog or cat jfl) and yet eat burgers religiously
Cats and dogs get most sympathy from normies out of all the animals jfl

 

[Daddy's Home]

Bro needs to reread stuff like ''ecosystem'' from 5th grade biology that he probably didn't listen to because he was sitting on a game on his phone.

There are millions of bacteria and insects that you kill every day just by walking down the street without knowing it, not to mention the micro-organisms in the air or on various surfaces that you kill just by moving your body. I don't see you complaining about them anywhere..

It is morally wrong to birth, raise and kill an animal just for food, but at the end of the day and after all, that animal will die sooner or later anyway, and become part of the earth again (or more likely be killed by a natural predator, and eaten by it). Instead, we kill the animal, and our shit that's part of it ends up in the ground, so it's just about resources, who gets them (us or other predators), or if they're wasted (they die and nobody eats them).

So in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter if we birth, raise and kill them in a controlled manner compared to if they will do that in the wild alone, and over a longer period of time.

There are hundreds of things humanity does that are far worse in the grand scheme of things than killing animals, all for the purpose of perpetuating our species, multiplying the number of chads 6 feet+ and staicys, and make our lives as luxurious as possible, with as much control and comfort as possible, so that our women can give birth and raise our children safely.

That is the reality..

 

[RecessedChinCel]

There are millions of bacteria and insects that you kill every day just by walking down the street without knowing it,

Holy fuck man ur bringing up this dumb shit. BACTERIA ISN’T SETIENT. THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE.

Bacteria have no brains, no nervous system, ability to experience. You are just throwing around ad hominem because I don’t want to eat animals for no reason?

at the end of the day and after all, that animal will die sooner or later anyway

You don’t get it buddy to be throwing around these insults. I already addressed this point.

Where do you think dairy cows come from? “Nature”?

They breed them into existence and genetically modify them by the billions to eat and wear. These animals are the ANTITHESIS OF NATURAL,

There are hundreds of things humanity does that are far worse in the grand scheme of things than killing animals,

You are just kicking the can down the road to avoid the argument.

“Oh it’s bad but there are worse things so it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things broooo”

 

[Daddy's Home]

Holy fuck man ur bringing up this dumb shit. BACTERIA ISN’T SETIENT. THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE.

Bacteria have no brains, no nervous system, ability to experience. You are just throwing around ad hominem because I don’t want to eat animals for no reason?



You don’t get it buddy to be throwing around those insult. I already addressed this point.

Where do you think dairy cows come from? “Nature”?

They breed them into existence and genetically modify them by the billions to eat and wear. These animals are the ANTITHESIS OF NATURAL,

You are just kicking the can down the road to avoid the argument.

“Oh it’s bad but there are worse things so it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things broooo”

This tbh:

We could also eradicate genetic diseases from birth and the suffering that comes with them (all mankind to come together and research & approve genetic modification of future children before birth), we could eradicate world hunger and the suffering that comes with it (all humanity to come together and install some kind of socialism with a minimum of monthly financial resources for any human alive) etc. but we don't and nobody cares..

Eating animals is a condition of our being biologically and chemically, and their controlled death is due to supply and demand.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Eating animals is a condition of our being biologically and chemically,

There is no muh it’s a condition of our being. We literally don’t need to eat animal products to survive or even be healthy.

Name ONE thing that we derive from animal products, that is essential to our health and wellbeing, which we cannot get from vegan sources? I’m waiting.

We could also eradicate genetic diseases from birth

If you could reduce the amount of genetic diseases practicably then aren’t we morally obligated to do so?

genetic modification of future children before birth), we could eradicate world hunger and the suffering that comes with it

We could literally do that just by growing more plant foods. Read the thread bro. I argued with other people and have already address all these points.

their controlled death is due to supply and demand.

So you admit that when you buy animal products, you financially support the unnecessary abuse, torture, slaughtering, and commodification of these sentient helpless creatures?

 

[spark]

Why do you think there are “teams”? We slaughter, torture, and abuse animals by the billions for food, how is calling out the exploitation of innocent beings against the “human team”

What is found in animal products that we “need” to thrive, that vegan products cannot provide us?

Lmao your literal nickname is recessed chincel. Do you think you'd be recessed if you ate our natural diet and were breastfed?

This is how you would look if you ate what the most primitive humans eat (almost entirely animal based) but instead your whore mother chose to not breasfeed you and force-fed you vegetables and now you look like one.


Yes humans are actually a carnivorous specie.

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

- Definition of Veganism from the Vegan society. The point is to minimize harm as much a practicable

You say millions as if the meat and dairy industries don’t slaughter billions of animals every day and you pay for it so you can enjoy a quick pleasure. Do you have a basic understanding of supply and demand? Those animals only are bred into existence because there is a demand for their flesh and body as a product.

That is a lie. You can easily pick mushrooms and strawberries and build your own little garden like millions of boomers throughout Europe do. You choose to buy in the supermarket because you couldn't care less about animals. It's in its entirety about shaming others and feeling superior.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Lmao your literal nickname is recessed chincel. Do you think you'd be recessed if you ate our natural diet and were breastfed?

This is how you would look if you ate what the most primitive humans eat (almost entirely animal based) but instead your whore mother chose to not breasfeed you and force-fed you vegetables and now you look like one.


Yes humans are actually a carnivorous specie.


That is a lie. You can easily pick mushrooms and strawberries and build your own little garden like millions of boomers throughout Europe do. You choose to buy in the supermarket because you couldn't care less about animals. It's in its entirety about shaming others and feeling superior.

You are using some extreme abstract example to morally justify the very real supply and demand chain you are contributing to.

Also do you really think it is sustainable, on a LARGE scale similar to factory farming, for everybody to grow their own food in their backyard?

Basically your entire cope here is saying that just because vegans cannot entirely eliminate suffering they cause, that you have a moral justification for ACTIVELY contributing to the unnecessary harm of animals for consumption?

And even if what you said was true, would that justify the rampant deforestation and C02 emissions caused by factory farming animals for taste pleasure?

 

[spark]

You are using some extreme abstract example to morally justify the very real supply and demand chain you are contributing to.

We're a carnivorous animal. We are not omnivores.

For 2 million years, humans ate meat and little else — study

Tel Aviv University researchers says Stone Age humans were apex predators, only moved to more plant-based diet 85,000 years ago

www.timesofisrael.com

Yes meat eating is the missing link. Yes the lack of meat eating is the reason why our brains are smaller than 20,000+ years ago. Yes before the agriculture revolution humans were 5'11. Yes we got short because we weren't eating meat and yes you have no chin because your shit parents didn't feed you your natural diet and now you're an incel for life because of them. But hey you might have "saved" an animal which would have gotten eaten alive anyways.

Also do you really think it is sustainable, on a LARGE scale similar to factory farming, for everybody to grow their own food in their backyard?

Basically your entire cope here is saying that just because vegans cannot entirely eliminate suffering they cause, that you have a moral justification for ACTIVELY contributing to the unnecessary harm of animals for consumption?

It's way more sustainable to get local produce. There is plenty that grows here in Europe. Pears and apple trees are plentiful, mushrooms, strawberries and blueberries everywhere in local forests. Plenty of boomers have that as their favorite pastime hobby they engage in on weekends. I remember as a kid we'd go to the forests to get full buckets of mushrooms and blueberries.

It's not that vegans can't eliminate factory farming. They can and easily so but they don't want to because they never even cared about animal suffering in the first place. It was about shaming others and feeling superior all along.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Yes we got short because we weren't eating meat and yes you have no chin because your shit parents didn't feed you your natural diet

My entire family eats meat and up until I made this thread I wasn’t vegan so this argument is built on a house of cards.

Do you really think the reason Chico mogs us is because of his dietary choices?

Also u are making a lot of character attacks for no reason where I haven’t personally insulted you once. Why is that? Why is a thread like this even so seemingly controversial?

Yes before the agriculture revolution humans were 5'11.

Couldn’t you just as easily argue it wasn’t the diet but rather the lifestyle change from hunter gatherers to being sedentary? Or it could’ve just been malnutrition caused by a lack of access to a variety of nutrient dense foods?

Also you do understand that veganism does not automatically mean you are malnourished right?

You are simply pointing on a correlation and trying to say it’s causative with no sufficient evidence.

It's not that vegans can't eliminate factory farming. They can and easily but they don't want to because they never even cared about animal suffering in the first place

Do you really think vegans alone, being the small minority of the population by themselves are capable of ending all factory farming. This is a reach if I’ve ever seen one.

There are roughly 80 million ~ vegans in the entire planet (according to google). Do you really think that population alone can stop factory farming while the other 8 billion humans continue to consume animal products? You want me to be wrong so bad you have to say ridiculous stuff like that jfl.

Buddy call me names all u want but it isn’t just a joke or an ideological matter for the animals, it is their entire life they pay for when you want a burger.

 

[spark]

My entire family eats meat and up until I made this thread I wasn’t vegan so this argument is built on a house of cards.

Do you really think the reason Chico mogs us is because of his dietary choices?

Also u are making a lot of character attacks for no reason where I haven’t personally insulted you once. Why is that? Why is a thread like this even so seemingly controversial?

Not meant as an insult. I too grew fucked up. Eating some meat means jack shit. It should be the majority of our diets and preferably high quality grass fed not some shit quality meat the majority of humans eat. There are other aspects to jaw growth and class II like vitamin D levels, breastfeeding and mastication. Using Chico is illogical and retarded and you also know nothing about his upbringing. Even if he did grow up without proper breastfeeding with malnutrition and no sunlight. That is like saying "muh my grandpa smoked and didn't get cancer therefore smoking isn't unhealthy". Don't you realize how fucking retarded you sound? Most people today are recessed. In some shitholes like India (not coincidentally mostly vegetarian right) almost everyone is completely deformed.

Couldn’t you just as easily argue it wasn’t the diet but rather the lifestyle change from hunter gatherers to being sedentary? Or it could’ve just been malnutrition caused by a lack of access to a variety of nutrient dense foods?

We weren't sedentary bruh. That's the past few decades only. People toiled on the fields from dusk to dawn. Also sedentary lifestyle might make your muscles weak but won't make you stunted unless you're strapped to a chair unable to move your entire life.

Also you do understand that veganism does not automatically mean you are malnourished right?

You are simply pointing on a correlation and trying to say it’s causative with no sufficient evidence.

Do you really think vegans alone, being the small minority of the population by themselves are capable of ending all factory farming. This is a reach if I’ve ever seen one.

I couldn't care less if you stop factory farming or not. The point is that they are hypocrites. They can easily get food without factory farming but choose not to. And yes vegans are malnourished and sooner or later they all experience health issues.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

We're a carnivorous animal. We are not omnivores.

Brother you’re trolling right?

You’re literally trolling me.

 

[spark]

Brother you’re trolling right?
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You’re literally trolling me.

For 2 million years, humans ate meat and little else — study

Tel Aviv University researchers says Stone Age humans were apex predators, only moved to more plant-based diet 85,000 years ago

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Valeqs]

No one cares nigger

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Meat industry ain't sustainable at all. Livestock outnumber wild animals to a ridiculous ratio. And take up so much land (beef, lamb)

I don't eat meat. But there are other important reasons other than ethics of slaughtering and animal that people ignore. It's not "high T" to not care about the destruction of the planet, it's obnoxious and cringe

 

[optimisticzoomer]

No one cares nigger

Meat industry ain't sustainable at all. It's not "high T" to not care about the destruction of the planet, it's obnoxious and cringe

 

[spark]

Meat industry ain't sustainable at all. Livestock outnumber wild animals to a ridiculous ratio. And take up so much land (beef, lamb)

I don't eat meat. But there are other important reasons other than ethics of slaughtering and animal that people ignore. It's not "high T" to not care about the destruction of the planet, it's obnoxious and cringe

Whitey liberals who hate humanity made up all of this bs about how the planet is about to end and how we gotta stop using cars and stop eating meat. It's a literal whitey Malthusian death cult. It's part of the demonic whitey liberal nonsense. As soon as the western libtard civilization dies the world will flourish. There is enough space and sustainable food potential for everyone.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Whitey liberals who hate humanity made up all of this bs about how the planet is about to end and how we gotta stop using cars and stop eating meat. It's a literal whitey Malthusian death cult. It's part of the demonic whitey liberal nonsense. As soon as the western libtard civilization dies the world will flourish. There is enough space and sustainable food potential for everyone.

Warra cope
Complete schizo ramblings

It's a very simple process how animal agriculture takes up and destroys land, when most of the 8 billion people on earth are eating meat. You just can't have that on your moral conscience

However, the effects could be reduced if people stopped eating grazing animals

 

[spark]

Warra cope
Complete schizo ramblings

It's a very simple process how animal agriculture takes up and destroys land, when most of the 8 billion people on earth are eating meat. You just can't have that on your moral conscience

However, the effects could be reduced if people stopped eating grazing animals

You realize Europe is committing suicide by giving into the green anti-human agenda? Funny enough these ultra degenerates hate humanity more than they "love" the environment that is why they will rather live in utter pollution caused by coal power plants than have purely clean nuclear power only because it actually works unlike the windmills they promote. These idiots go as far as to create nonsensical bullshit propaganda about Chernobyl and Fukushima both of which barely caused any harm to anyone and even go as far as make ahistorical TV series about the said catastrophe at Chernobyl.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

You realize Europe is committing suicide by giving into the green anti-human agenda? Funny enough these ultra degenerates hate humanity more than they "love" the environment that is why they will rather live in utter pollution caused by coal power plants than have purely clean nuclear power only because it actually works unlike the windmills they promote. These idiots go as far as to create nonsensical bullshit propaganda about Chernobyl and Fukushima both of which barely caused any harm to anyone and even go as far as make ahistorical TV series about the said catastrophe at Chernobyl.

Completely different and irrelevant discussion

You know deep down animal agriculture land use is not sustainable, you just don't want to admit it. It's not even something scientific like methane emissions, it's simple common sense. Which is why population of wild animals have reduced so much, coinciding with human population increase and shift towards meat consumption in poorer places and China particularly.

Also, wind turbines do work. Where did you get that they don't? And most environmentalists push for nuclear energy too

 

[spark]

Completely different and irrelevant discussion

You know deep down animal agriculture land use is not sustainable, you just don't want to admit it. It's not even something scientific like methane emissions, it's simple common sense. Which is why population of wild animals have reduced so much, coinciding with human population increase and shift towards meat consumption in poorer places and China particularly.

Why would it be unsustainable lmao. There are hundreds of billions of animals out there. Why would it be unsustainable for humans to hunt/farm a significant amount of them? It makes zero sense. All of this environmentalist stuff is Malthusian anti-human bs pushed by whitey anti-human degenerates.

Also, wind turbines do work. Where did you get that they don't? And most environmentalists push for nuclear energy too

They are extremely ineffective. Also they don't. Look at Germany where the greens have the most power. They were the ones who pushed to close them. The environmentalists are absolutely the ones who have destroyed much of the nuclear power.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Why would it be unsustainable lmao. There are hundreds of billions of animals out there. Why would it be unsustainable for humans to hunt/farm a significant amount of them? It makes zero sense. All of this environmentalist stuff is Malthusian anti-human bs pushed by whitey anti-human degenerates.


They are extremely ineffective. Also they don't. Look at Germany where the greens have the most power. They were the ones who closed them. The environmentalists are absolutely the ones who have destroyed much of the nuclear

Almost all of the world’s mammal biomass is humans and livestock

Humans and livestock make up 95% of the world’s mammal biomass; wild mammals are just 5%.

ourworldindata.org

Stop talking out your ass and do some research. And don't come at me with "muh the statistics are all anti human bs" because you have 0 credibility whatsoever, and cannot just refute the accepted science across the world in favour of your ill informed (or rather, uninformed) viewpoint

 

[spark]

Almost all of the world’s mammal biomass is humans and livestock

Humans and livestock make up 95% of the world’s mammal biomass; wild mammals are just 5%.

ourworldindata.org

Stop talking out your ass and do some research. And don't come at me with "muh the statistics are all anti human bs" because you have 0 credibility whatsoever, and cannot just refute the accepted science across the world in favour of your ill informed (or rather, uninformed) viewpoint

Your link adds nothing to the discussion. All it claimed was that there are more mammals and birds in captivity than in the wild. So what LMAO? That doesn't make it unsustainable. And if you were specifically reacting to my post about how they are just a small part of all of the living organisms out there it's not like they aren't:

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Your link adds nothing to the discussion. All it claimed was that there are more mammals and birds in captivity than in the wild. So what LMAO? That doesn't make it unsustainable. And if you were specifically reacting to my post about how they are just a small part of all of the living organisms out there it's not like they aren't:

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Of course it makes it unsustainable. Increasing species are at risk of extinction. And the reasons are largely habitat loss. How is habitat loss not a problem? What could possibly lead to the mindset of: humans should continue to alter the surface of the planet at increasing levels, changing it more in decades than thousands of years previously (millions, if we're talking about forested land cover outside of ice ages etc)?

Humans are too dominant. It's never good for any ecosystem, large or small scale, for one species to dominate

 

[spark]

Of course it makes it unsustainable. Increasing species are at risk of extinction. And the reasons are largely habitat loss. How is habitat loss not a problem? What could possibly lead to the mindset of: humans should continue to alter the surface of the planet at increasing levels, changing it more in decades than thousands of years previously (millions, if we're talking about forested land cover outside of ice ages etc)?

Humans are too dominant. It's never good for any ecosystem, large or small scale, for one species to dominate

There are virtually no large predatory animals left in the forests of mainland Europe. Good! At least they are safer for humans. There used to be lions even in Greece just 2500 years ago. Should be have a breeding program and repopulate the world with wild lions?

Nothing wrong with the mass extinction of animals. They weren't fit to survive. Maybe if they look cute enough for us to save them they might get saved. Getting rid of certain animals can benefit us too. Find the most dangerous shark types (Bull, Tiger, Great White) and exterminate them. Voila and we have both safer oceans so swim in and more fish for us to eat.

There are pro-human solutions and anti-human solutions. Thanks god the anti-human west is on the decline. It's losing everywhere. Economically against China. Militarily against Russia. Geopolitically against Hamas. It's over for the genocidal west.

 

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Btw vitamin A, Vitamin B12, and K2 are needed and can be found only in animal foods.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Btw vitamin A

1 google search bro,

They literally reinforce cow’s milk with Vitamin A jfl.

Vitamin B12

B12 comes from algae and bacteria lmfao. You do know that they supplement B12 in our livestock’s feed or they inject them.

So instead of just taking a b12 supplement you give one to an animal, kill the animal, then eat its flesh? Muh natural b12 broo.

K2

You can literally find k2 in fermented foods like sauerkraut and your body can partially convert k1 to k2 bro.

 

[LancasteR]

Btw vitamin A, Vitamin B12, and K2 are needed and can be found only in animal foods.

Also animal sourced retinols (Vit C) are healthy.

 

[Deleted member 20890]

1 google search bro,
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They literally reinforce cow’s milk with Vitamin A jfl.

Beta Carotene is not Retinol.

 

[Enfant terrible]

I like meat but do not feel comfortable supporting these industries. There is a difference between a hunter gatherer hunting meat out of necessity, and industrialized torture and suffering.

cow in the video actually gets killed more humanely(painless) than a hunter gatherer would kill a deer in comparison

 

[Enfant terrible]

vegans are stupid
most have pets but pets need food meaning mass killing of animals for pet food
there are 900 million dogs alone in this world
most of them would need to put down if you wanted society to go full vegan jfl
you cant just all release them and let them breed unrestricted

 

[Enfant terrible]

More so to address a different issue.
Animal suffering outside of human interference.
Animals are being subjected to diseases, predators, injury, fighting between each other its fucking ridiculous how much suffering there is in the world even outside of human life.They can't change their destiny they don't have the intellect to improve their living conditions.
Thats why I never understood the hatred for zoos.
Vegans never address this because they are only concerned about the moral integrity of humanity but not about animal suffering in general.

 

[King Solomon]

Insanely brutal. The more I read about veganism the more I realize they are ethically correct. Additionally animal agriculture just isn’t sustainable and has a horrible impact on the climate, is a major cause of deforestation, and most importantly causes incomprehensible amounts of suffering.

Humans slaughter 80 BILLION land animals every year for food, and 10 BILLION in the United States alone. The overwhelming majority of which is from factory farms like in the video above. These types of practices are the norm not the exception.

Man they literally breed these animals into existence just for them to grow up in automated farms to be abused for their bodies.

Female cows must be artificially inseminated with bull semen in order to impregnate them so they secrete milk. Cows only produce milk when they are having children so they must be impregnated over and over again. When a calf is born if male they slaughter it and make veal. If a female they will grow up to be dairy cows and exploited in the same way for milk.

Once dairy cows are too old/no longer can produce milk they are slaughtered for meat. I personally can not morally justify eating animal products anymore. The creatures we exploit are innocent it’s just wrong man.

Not only ethically but anatomically we're designed to be plant based as we're most similar frugavoires.