thoughts on machiavelli

[isis_Bleach]

specifically The Prince, since discources on livy is bluepilled

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Not sure it has any daily life application
48 laws of power is better

 

[Deleted member 71411]

Does the end justify the means?

Is the preservation of the State the ultimate goal of a good ruler? or must there be something else? Should the State be reduced to the category of an instrument at the service of a group, religion or race?

 

[isis_Bleach]

Not sure it has any daily life application

it does when u think abt it deeply, but 48 laws is kinda an expansion of that

Does the end justify the means?

depends on the kinda man u are

 

[SecularIslamist]

Mogger. My favourite quote of his.

 

[Primalsplit]

Machiavellism IS 1/3 of dark triad so yes.

 

[Gonthar]

specifically The Prince, since discources on livy is bluepilled

It was actually satire...

Not sure it has any daily life application
48 laws of power is better

Very little useful application for regular people, except if you're a powerful person like a king, noble, politician, army general, billionaire, etc.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

It was actually satire...

Very little useful application for regular people, except if you're a powerful person like a king, noble, politician, army general, billionaire, etc.

Nah there’s some good ones
Conceal your intentions
Don’t trust friends too much
Learn to keep people dependent on you
Etc

 

[isis_Bleach]

Nah there’s some good ones
Conceal your intentions
Don’t trust friends too much
Learn to keep people dependent on you
Etc

yea i liked the idea of making your enemies disparate, so that they cant unite and have power. seems to have real life application to plebs

 

[RichardSpencel]

Not sure it has any daily life application
48 laws of power is better

Yeah maybe,but this is the guy who wrote 48 laws of power jfl

 

[isis_Bleach]

Yeah maybe,but this is the guy who wrote 48 laws of power jfl

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thats post prime tho

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Yeah maybe,but this is the guy who wrote 48 laws of power jfl

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Just lol if you think he actually wrote it, ghost writers and elite wrote this shit

 

[Primalsplit]

Just lol if you think he actually wrote it, ghost writers and elite wrote this shit

The elite

 

[Gonthar]

Nah there’s some good ones
Conceal your intentions
Don’t trust friends too much
Learn to keep people dependent on you
Etc

This stuff works only for people with high SMV, people with high looks/status/money, otherwise these "laws" are pretty much useless.

Imagine this scenario for example: you're a Chad coming to a new high-school, college, or a workplace filled with mostly young people. Your looks are high, so all the girls will swarm to you, people will want to befriend you, hang out with you, etc. Your goal here is to bang as many girls as possible, but most of them will want to secure you first as their boyfriend, so the advice to conceal your intentions it's legit here and obvious, you don't want the girls to figure out you just want to pump and dump them, this could hurt your chances...
Other guys will also approach you, want to be your friends, but many just because they will see you're very successful with the girls, so they will also want a piece of the action, that's why the second piece of advice don’t trust friends too much is again legit.
The third rule learn to keep people dependent on you it's also useful if you want to keep your position and high status secure in that place, you will also have to offer favors and stuff to keep people around you not just take from them, someone else can always come to steal your position as the alpha male of that place.
This rules can also be applied in other social circles and circumstances, by people who are high-status and rich, so they have the power to influence others around them.

On the other hand, imagine a person low in looks/status/ money like some short, ugly, bald ethnic being in the same place and situation, trying to apply the same "laws", where exactly would he even start, when people don't even want to discuss or be friends with him and the girls find him creepy....??????

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

middle ages pua, nothing more.

 

[Primalsplit]

middle ages pua, nothing more.

Lol wat? Is it not about government managenent?