Thoughts on this roid stack?

[soggra]

16 week cycle (repeat this cycle 3 times)

57mg tren per day (400mg a week)

350mg Test E per week

T3 25mcg daily

hCG 250 IUS 3 x a week

PCT will be 3 days after final injection

PCT-

Tamoxifen Weeks 1-2: 40 mg/day; Weeks 3-4: 20mg/dayOral


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@copercel123

@Zagro

@Newday*V3

 

[Newday*V3]

Good man but dont cycle 3 times in a year just cruise to the next one with test and hcg

 

[Zagro]

16 week cycle (repeat this cycle 3 times)

57mg tren per day (400mg a week)

350mg Test E per week

T3 25mcg daily

hCG 250 IUS 3 x a week

PCT will be 3 days after final injection

PCT-

Tamoxifen Weeks 1-2: 40 mg/day; Weeks 3-4: 20mg/dayOral


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@copercel123

@Zagro

@Newday*V3

I’ve said this a long time ago based on some studies, me and knowledgeable in the same sentence, i teared up bro

About the SERMs, only tamoxifen seems to be the problem as it causes gyno in children in some studies and reduces longitudinal bone growth in rats and premature close of the epiphyseal growth plates also on rats, but we aren’t rats so not sure but this still seems to be a bad SERM.

 

[soggra]

I’ve said this a long time ago based on some studies, me and knowledgeable in the same sentence, i teared up bro

About the SERMs, only tamoxifen seems to be the problem as it causes gyno in children in some studies and reduces longitudinal bone growth in rats and premature close of the epiphyseal growth plates also on rats, but we aren’t rats so not sure but this still seems to be a bad SERM.

What SERM would you recommend for PCT?

 

[copercel123]

16 week cycle (repeat this cycle 3 times)

57mg tren per day (400mg a week)

350mg Test E per week

T3 25mcg daily

hCG 250 IUS 3 x a week

PCT will be 3 days after final injection

PCT-

Tamoxifen Weeks 1-2: 40 mg/day; Weeks 3-4: 20mg/dayOral


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@copercel123

@Zagro

@Newday*V3

I would suggest increasing the test if your estrogen is controlled (by ai).

I would add ai to control your estrogen and carbegoline (for prolactin control).

Looks good tho

 

[Zagro]

What SERM would you recommend for PCT?

Not a serm but i would recommend hcg, also why are you running 400mg tren on first cycle?

 

[copercel123]

16 week cycle (repeat this cycle 3 times)

57mg tren per day (400mg a week)

350mg Test E per week

T3 25mcg daily

hCG 250 IUS 3 x a week

PCT will be 3 days after final injection

PCT-

Tamoxifen Weeks 1-2: 40 mg/day; Weeks 3-4: 20mg/dayOral


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@copercel123

@Zagro

@Newday*V3

Thank you for calling me knowledgeable

 

[soggra]

Not a serm but i would recommend hcg, also why are you running 400mg tren on first cycle?

Shouldn’t hCG be used during cycle only? Also I’m going to start slow with the tren obviously starting with 10 mg per day and slowly work my way up to 57mg per day

 

[copercel123]

I’ve said this a long time ago based on some studies, me and knowledgeable in the same sentence, i teared up bro

About the SERMs, only tamoxifen seems to be the problem as it causes gyno in children in some studies and reduces longitudinal bone growth in rats and premature close of the epiphyseal growth plates also on rats, but we aren’t rats so not sure but this still seems to be a bad SERM.

Tamoxifen fix gyno isn’t it?

 

[Zagro]

Tamoxifen fix gyno isn’t it?

I think you mean raloxifen

 

[copercel123]

I think you mean raloxifen

No. Tamoxifen is used to treat gyno not cause it.

 

[copercel123]

But for the other part of what zagro said— yeah it can cause bones stunt, how old are you? Beacuse if your less than 17 you shouldn’t use it

 

[soggra]

But for the other part of what zagro said— yeah it can cause bones stunt, how old are you? Beacuse if your less than 17 you shouldn’t use it

I’m 18 so then I should use it right?

 

[Zagro]

No. Tamoxifen is used to treat gyno not cause it.

Idek that text was from a month ago or so, i just looked it up and you are right yeah.

@Inquisitor knows about it i think.

 

[copercel123]

I’m 18 so then I should use it right?

Yeah np

 

[realshit]

16 week cycle (repeat this cycle 3 times)

57mg tren per day (400mg a week)

350mg Test E per week

T3 25mcg daily

hCG 250 IUS 3 x a week

PCT will be 3 days after final injection

PCT-

Tamoxifen Weeks 1-2: 40 mg/day; Weeks 3-4: 20mg/dayOral


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@copercel123

@Zagro

@Newday*V3

Bro dont blast tren Will make you ogre and permanent damage , raise test dosage but dont do tren

 

[realshit]

16 week cycle (repeat this cycle 3 times)

57mg tren per day (400mg a week)

350mg Test E per week

T3 25mcg daily

hCG 250 IUS 3 x a week

PCT will be 3 days after final injection

PCT-

Tamoxifen Weeks 1-2: 40 mg/day; Weeks 3-4: 20mg/dayOral


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@copercel123

@Zagro

@Newday*V3

anyway you need an ai , If uou are brave uses masterone instead of tren

 

[soggra]

anyway you need an ai , If uou are brave uses masterone instead of tren

Masteron fucks up hair and skin and isn’t even that great for bones. Rather just do tren

 

[soggra]

Bro dont blast tren Will make you ogre and permanent damage , raise test dosage but dont do tren

Yeah but the pros of being really dimorphic outweighs the cons it has

 

[soggra]

anyway you need an ai , If uou are brave uses masterone instead of tren

Do I really need an AI though? I’m not using much test and tren doesn’t aromatize to estrogen at all

 

[chadisbeingmade]

But for the other part of what zagro said— yeah it can cause bones stunt, how old are you? Beacuse if your less than 17 you shouldn’t use it

Nigga remove that “138 iq” from your account and make it just LTN.

It most definitely does not cause “bone stunt” JFLL

 

[soggra]

Nigga remove that “138 iq” from your account and make it just LTN.

It most definitely does not cause “bone stunt” JFLL

What do you think about this stack? Do I need an AI even though my tren dose is higher than my test dose?

 

[chadisbeingmade]

What do you think about this stack? Do I need an AI even though my tren dose is higher than my test dose?

PCT is a meme.

No idea why you are running Tren on your first cycle.

First cycle run Test and GH.

Add Tren later when you know how you respond to test and know it’s side effect profile.

AI depends on person and your sensitivity to e2/rate of aromatization, which is why you run Test only first.

No idea why you’re running T3 either.

 

[Snicket]

Nigga remove that “138 iq” from your account and make it just LTN.

You're taking no prisoners, I see.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

You're taking no prisoners, I see.

“room temp iq LTN” would be more appropriate.

 

[soggra]

PCT is a meme.

No idea why you are running Tren on your first cycle.

First cycle run Test and GH.

Add Tren later when you know how you respond to test and know it’s side effect profile.

AI depends on person and your sensitivity to e2/rate of aromatization, which is why you run Test only first.

No idea why you’re running T3 either.

So don’t run PCT? Got it. HGH is too expensive for me so yeah… Running T3 because tren fucks up T4 to T3 conversion

 

[chadisbeingmade]

So don’t run PCT? Got it.

Correct
https://looksmax.org/threads/help-with-roid-cycle.1441765/post-20889320

HGH is too expensive for me so yeah…

You can get GH for less than dollar per IU.

Running T3 because tren fucks up T4 to T3 conversion

Yeah, again, why are you running tren as a first cycle?

 

[soggra]

You can get GH for less than dollar per IU.

How do I exactly find that in the US? Looked at a lot of roid sites and it costs more than that

Yeah, again, why are you running tren as a first cycle?

I’m desperate for dimorphism, my plan though is running it slow at 10mg per day and then working my way up to 57mg per day

 

[copercel123]

Nigga remove that “138 iq” from your account and make it just LTN.

It most definitely does not cause “bone stunt” JFLL

I mean… it can, at mild-high levels it does.

 

[flambria]

@soggra
Your cycle seems somewhat similar to mine, I have same goal of dimorphism
You are 18, an I'm 17.5 I think we can relate to each other, in this matter

Refer to my thread to see what I'm stacking

1 Year Gear Protocol

Sorting out my steroid cycle list :feelsahh: Compound Source / Dose Quantity Needed Cost AUD Testosterone Enanthate Platinum Testobol 250 mg/mL 7 vials/year $525.00 Trenbolone Enanthate Platinum Trenbol 200 mg/mL 2 vials/year $160.00 Modafinil Bundle (MD + XL + ArmodaXL) 70 free pills +...

looksmax.org

 

[aids]

Not a serm but i would recommend hcg, also why are you running 400mg tren on first cycle?

HCG shouldn't be used PCT.

What SERM would you recommend for PCT?

Enclo.

 

[jeff1234]

Nigga remove that “138 iq” from your account and make it just LTN.

It most definitely does not cause “bone stunt” JFLL

it does. look at this --

Adverse effects of tamoxifen treatment on bone mineral density in premenopausal patients with breast cancer: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Our meta-analysis demonstrated that adjuvant tamoxifen therapy in premenopausal patients caused bone loss after 3 years of follow-up, especially at the lumbar spines. For a definite evaluation of the adverse effects of tamoxifen on bone, it is necessary to accumulate more relevant studies.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[aids]

it does. look at this --

Adverse effects of tamoxifen treatment on bone mineral density in premenopausal patients with breast cancer: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Our meta-analysis demonstrated that adjuvant tamoxifen therapy in premenopausal patients caused bone loss after 3 years of follow-up, especially at the lumbar spines. For a definite evaluation of the adverse effects of tamoxifen on bone, it is necessary to accumulate more relevant studies.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"premenopausal patients with breast cancer"
Moreover, impact is on bone mineral density, not premature closure of epiphyseal plates.
Completely irrelevant study.

 

[org3cel.RR]

16 week cycle (repeat this cycle 3 times)

57mg tren per day (400mg a week)

350mg Test E per week

T3 25mcg daily

hCG 250 IUS 3 x a week

PCT will be 3 days after final injection

PCT-

Tamoxifen Weeks 1-2: 40 mg/day; Weeks 3-4: 20mg/dayOral


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@copercel123

@Zagro

@Newday*V3

Absolute dogshit never run this

 

[chadisbeingmade]

it does. look at this --

Adverse effects of tamoxifen treatment on bone mineral density in premenopausal patients with breast cancer: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed

Our meta-analysis demonstrated that adjuvant tamoxifen therapy in premenopausal patients caused bone loss after 3 years of follow-up, especially at the lumbar spines. For a definite evaluation of the adverse effects of tamoxifen on bone, it is necessary to accumulate more relevant studies.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What has this got to do with anything? Its completely irrelevant. tamoxifen is a SERM. You should never ever run SERMS. And is on "premenopausal patients with breast cancer” JFLLL​

 

[chadisbeingmade]

HCG shouldn't be used PCT.


Enclo.

Never fun enclo wtf. PCT is an absolute meme. Saying no HCG and then say run enclo is absolutely comical.

The only large scale study about pct:

https://academic.oup.com/HTTPHandlers/Sigma/LoginHandler.ashx?error=login_required&state=ba3b961c-50c6-4772-be40-7d4893cb0559redirecturl%3Dhttpszazjzjacademiczwoupzwcomzjhumrepzjarticlezj36zj4zj880zj6129954

“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”


PCT is cope. It is a meme that doesn't do anything to speed up recovery, it just helps with withdrawal symptoms. It actually does nothing in terms of improving fertility or testosterone levels. the largest known study on pct actually only harms recovery since both fertility and testosterone recovers slower in the pct group JFL.

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

Never fun enclo wtf. PCT is an absolute meme. Saying no HCG and then say run enclo is absolutely comical.

The only large scale study about pct:

https://academic.oup.com/HTTPHandlers/Sigma/LoginHandler.ashx?error=login_required&state=ba3b961c-50c6-4772-be40-7d4893cb0559redirecturl%3Dhttpszazjzjacademiczwoupzwcomzjhumrepzjarticlezj36zj4zj880zj6129954

“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”


PCT is cope. It is a meme that doesn't do anything to speed up recovery, it just helps with withdrawal symptoms. It actually does nothing in terms of improving fertility or testosterone levels. the largest known study on pct actually only harms recovery since both fertility and testosterone recovers slower in the pct group JFL.

I extracted juice from a plant in the forest near me. It boosted my test

 

[chadisbeingmade]

I extracted juice from a plant in the forest near me. It boosted my test

Mogs enclo to fucking death then.

 

[One Rep Max]

Tren is cope just ruining your body for nothing when ur not even trying to be an IFBB pro or are you

 

[Mainlander]

I highly recommend to have some isotret ready

 

[aids]

Never fun enclo wtf. PCT is an absolute meme. Saying no HCG and then say run enclo is absolutely comical.

HCG isn't going to do shit to restart your pituitary.
It can be used to preserve your testicles, but discontinued at the end of your cycle.

Never fun enclo wtf. PCT is an absolute meme. Saying no HCG and then say run enclo is absolutely comical.

The only large scale study about pct:

https://academic.oup.com/HTTPHandlers/Sigma/LoginHandler.ashx?error=login_required&state=ba3b961c-50c6-4772-be40-7d4893cb0559redirecturl%3Dhttpszazjzjacademiczwoupzwcomzjhumrepzjarticlezj36zj4zj880zj6129954

“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”

PCT is cope. It is a meme that doesn't do anything to speed up recovery, it just helps with withdrawal symptoms. It actually does nothing in terms of improving fertility or testosterone levels. the largest known study on pct actually only harms recovery since both fertility and testosterone recovers slower in the pct group JFL.

Participants got bloods immediately post-cycle, 3 months post-cycle, and just under 1 year post-cycle.

Just because participants returned to baseline testosterone levels by 3 months post-cycle, regardless of PCT usage, does not mean you can definitively conclude that PCT does not expedite recovery of HPT axis.

Assuming that the "largest known study" is the one you cited, no, total/free testosterone between PCT and non-PCT users was identical. Only lesser semen volume in the PCT group after the clinic visit one year after the start of the cycle (T3).

 

[chadisbeingmade]

HCG isn't going to do shit to restart your pituitary.
It can be used to preserve your testicles, but discontinued at the end of your cycle.

Keeping Leydig cells functional is all that matters. The pituitary bounces back unbelievably quickly, whereas the leydig cells don't.

Just because participants returned to baseline testosterone levels by 3 months post-cycle, regardless of PCT usage, does not mean you can definitively conclude that PCT does not expedite recovery of HPT axis.

Assuming that the "largest known study" is the one you cited, no, total/free testosterone between PCT and non-PCT users was identical. Only lesser semen volume in the PCT group after the clinic visit one year after the start of the cycle (T3).

There is 0 proof long term does anything beneficial for recovering Test levels, you said it yourself ("regardless of PCT usage") . The only long term study did not help. If Test level recovery was identical, and less semen volume in PCT group, why the fuck would would you take it JFL?

 

[org3cel.RR]

Never fun enclo wtf. PCT is an absolute meme. Saying no HCG and then say run enclo is absolutely comical.

The only large scale study about pct:

https://academic.oup.com/HTTPHandlers/Sigma/LoginHandler.ashx?error=login_required&state=ba3b961c-50c6-4772-be40-7d4893cb0559redirecturl%3Dhttpszazjzjacademiczwoupzwcomzjhumrepzjarticlezj36zj4zj880zj6129954

“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”


PCT is cope. It is a meme that doesn't do anything to speed up recovery, it just helps with withdrawal symptoms. It actually does nothing in terms of improving fertility or testosterone levels. the largest known study on pct actually only harms recovery since both fertility and testosterone recovers slower in the pct group JFL.

Finally someone said it, PCT does nothing. Your body will always naturally recover for almost anything.

 

[copercel123]

Never fun enclo wtf. PCT is an absolute meme. Saying no HCG and then say run enclo is absolutely comical.

The only large scale study about pct:

https://academic.oup.com/HTTPHandlers/Sigma/LoginHandler.ashx?error=login_required&state=ba3b961c-50c6-4772-be40-7d4893cb0559redirecturl%3Dhttpszazjzjacademiczwoupzwcomzjhumrepzjarticlezj36zj4zj880zj6129954

“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”


PCT is cope. It is a meme that doesn't do anything to speed up recovery, it just helps with withdrawal symptoms. It actually does nothing in terms of improving fertility or testosterone levels. the largest known study on pct actually only harms recovery since both fertility and testosterone recovers slower in the pct group JFL.

Saying pct is a meme is a meme is obnoxious.
When used properly, SERMs like enclo or nolva can stimulate LH/FSH and support HPTA recovery, especially after long orr suppressive cycles.
HCG also has a role, but more dduring cycle to prevent atrophy and maintain intratesticular testosterone — not after.
I get the frustration with poorly executed PCTs, but dismissing the entire concept ?

There are people who don’t need it and their body is recovering by himself, but not everyone. Still it depends on the dosages.

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Saying pct is a meme is a meme is obnoxious.
When used properly, SERMs like enclo or nolva can stimulate LH/FSH and support HPTA recovery, especially after long orr suppressive cycles.
HCG also has a role, but more dduring cycle to prevent atrophy and maintain intratesticular testosterone — not after.
I get the frustration with poorly executed PCTs, but dismissing the entire concept ?

There are people who don’t need it and their body is recovering by himself, but not everyone. Still it depends on the dosages.

Keeping Leydig cells functional is all that matters. The pituitary bounces back unbelievably quickly, whereas the leydig cells don't.


There is 0 proof long term does anything beneficial for recovering Test levels, you said it yourself ("regardless of PCT usage") . The only long term study did not help. If Test level recovery was identical, and less semen volume in PCT group, why the fuck would would you take it JFL?

but dismissing the entire concept ?

yes

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ⠀]

Never fun enclo wtf. PCT is an absolute meme. Saying no HCG and then say run enclo is absolutely comical.

The only large scale study about pct:

https://academic.oup.com/HTTPHandlers/Sigma/LoginHandler.ashx?error=login_required&state=ba3b961c-50c6-4772-be40-7d4893cb0559redirecturl%3Dhttpszazjzjacademiczwoupzwcomzjhumrepzjarticlezj36zj4zj880zj6129954

“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”


PCT is cope. It is a meme that doesn't do anything to speed up recovery, it just helps with withdrawal symptoms. It actually does nothing in terms of improving fertility or testosterone levels. the largest known study on pct actually only harms recovery since both fertility and testosterone recovers slower in the pct group JFL.

SERMs work as PCT but it is still absolutely retarded to PCT in the first place nonetheless. HCG is enough for that purpose obviously.

And the HAARLEM study is dogshit.

Finally someone said it, PCT does nothing. Your body will always naturally recover for almost anything.

PCT fucking works negroid.

Saying pct is a meme is a meme is obnoxious.
When used properly, SERMs like enclo or nolva can stimulate LH/FSH and support HPTA recovery, especially after long orr suppressive cycles.
HCG also has a role, but more dduring cycle to prevent atrophy and maintain intratesticular testosterone — not after.
I get the frustration with poorly executed PCTs, but dismissing the entire concept ?

There are people who don’t need it and their body is recovering by himself, but not everyone. Still it depends on the dosages.

Nigga shut the fuck up with your ChatGPT

First indicator for GPT.

Second (AI always forms its sentences as if everything is a possibility with terms like "can" and "support").

This dogshit sign exposed you yet again. Show me your fucking keyboard, nobody has that shit on his keyboard.

@imontheloose @TitusA @halloweed @Zagro

 

[chadisbeingmade]

And the HAARLEM study is dogshit.

It is the only long term study. It did fuck all.

 

[copercel123]

SERMs work as PCT but it is still absolutely retarded to PCT in the first place nonetheless. HCG is enough for that purpose obviously.

And the HAARLEM study is dogshit.
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PCT fucking works negroid.

Nigga shut the fuck up with your ChatGPT

First indicator for GPT.
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Second (AI always forms its sentences as if everything is a possibility with terms like "can" and "support").
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This dogshit sign exposed yet again. Show me your fucking keyboard, nobody has that shit on his keyboard.
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@imontheloose @TitusA @halloweed @Zagro

I’m on my phone atm. And you just type your syphon twice and it becomes like that —. Are you serious

 

[forestanon]

switch nolva for enclo if you can

 

[Jonasㅤㅤ⠀]

I’m on my phone atm. And you just type your syphon twice and it becomes like that —. Are you serious

You fucking GPT "warrior"

It doesn't fucking work like that on iOS or any other platform. Also you didn't reply to the other points.

Keep using GPT cuck @chadisbeingmade